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#28 May 04 2014 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:


Pssst... stop feeding the troll.


But... but...!

Fine... *grumble*gottadoerrandsanyway*grumbel*

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Are you talking to me? I never said anything about this game doing poorly. I only defended the OP in that the PS4 version appears to be selling incredibly poorly.


You've done substantially more than that, but more to the point, you haven't addressed any of the standing counter-arguments I've previously listed either.

Edited, May 4th 2014 2:58pm by Hyrist
#29 May 04 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Bleh, doublepost.

Edited, May 4th 2014 2:58pm by Hyrist
#30 May 04 2014 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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It, however, isn't doing so poorly as you/Preludes claims it is, of which you have absolutely no verifiable sources to articulate an argument against


Are you talking to me? I never said anything about this game doing poorly. I only defended the OP in that the PS4 version appears to be selling incredibly poorly.


I'm flying on the assumption that you're a sock until proven otherwise by an admin, hence the combination of your name and his name. It's happened all too often with people like him/you. Faaaar too often, and I don't know for the life of me what you people get out of it.
#31 May 04 2014 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, that banhammer came down quick...
#32 May 04 2014 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
Lots of reports ;) You know, if that was Prelude's sock, that's a violation of forum rules... doesn't this mean he gets the hammer?

Edited, May 4th 2014 3:10pm by darexius2010
#33 May 04 2014 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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darexius2010 wrote:
Lots of reports ;)


Not any for me. For as heavy as I am on the arrows, I'm light on the report button.

Genuine question on topic: Do you think it was a wise decision to allow free upgrades from the PS3 version? Sure, it helped their initial sales, but I can't help but think it's the primary reason why their PS4 sales are where they are, even given PS4/Sony's own problems.

I mean, the PS3, IMO, has a good bit of life left in it. I know I won't be able to afford to upgrade to a PS4 for a good while yet.
#34 May 04 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
Honestly, yes and no. From a PR perspective, yes, as people spent money on the PS3 version with the PS4 being imminently launched without XIV as a title. I feel the ethically correct thing to do was to offer the upgrade.

From a business standpoint? No. Their numbers for PS4 box sales is dismally low in comparison to PS3 titles sold. I'm not talking ratio to consoles here or time, I'm saying that the number they want to have sold is being held back from the reasons stated above; It's cheaper to buy the PS3 version and upgrade, and the number of PS3 versions being upgraded means that PS4 versions aren't being bought, in that quantity.

So yes, I feel like it was the right thing and the smart thing and falls in line with Yoshi's desire to regain the trust of the players, but ultimately it creates a statistics hell for us :P
#35REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2014 at 1:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can all these people be moderated for going off topic?
#36 May 04 2014 at 1:40 PM Rating: Default
Hyrist wrote:
darexius2010 wrote:
Lots of reports ;)


Not any for me. For as heavy as I am on the arrows, I'm light on the report button.

Genuine question on topic: Do you think it was a wise decision to allow free upgrades from the PS3 version? Sure, it helped their initial sales, but I can't help but think it's the primary reason why their PS4 sales are where they are, even given PS4/Sony's own problems.

I mean, the PS3, IMO, has a good bit of life left in it. I know I won't be able to afford to upgrade to a PS4 for a good while yet.


I think they should of not given free upgrades because it was obvious they were not going to sell very well and they needed all the sales they could get, as you can see from the news posts. This is a catastrophy for Square, an embarassing one.

PS4 FFXIV is a rather feeble conversion but I'd imagine it still cost them a lot of money to create, probably more than the meager sales gave them back. I would think the shareholders are watching over Yoshi closer than ever now, since he seems to be making some very poor business decisions.

Steam launch was a failure adding just over 2k players, and now a PS4 launch failure where they didn't even sell half as much as they expected.

Terrible.

Oh and a little addition, VGchartz is useless for pc figures because they simply added 2010 figures ontop of ARR. Those numbers are highly padded.

Edited, May 4th 2014 3:45pm by preludes
#37 May 04 2014 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
preludes wrote:
Can all these people be moderated for going off topic?

This is about FFXIV on PS4 selling vastly under Square Enix expectations.

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Why do you continue to do it? What do you get out of it?


I like to be part of the Zam community, I've been part of it before most of you were infact. Also this isn't a troll post it's a post showing what has been widely posted on many games news sites. You guys all post the "good" ones but don't find these ones, isn't that strange?


Where are we off topic? We're discussing the PS4 sales, which includes PS3 sales, sales tactics, etc. All of it was relevant. Sorry we got side-railed by your sock.

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Here's a screenshot of the first page of Google when you search "Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn". Funny, there's nothing negative there. Guess you gotta dig for your information.
#38 May 04 2014 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
preludes wrote:
Hyrist wrote:
darexius2010 wrote:
Lots of reports ;)


Not any for me. For as heavy as I am on the arrows, I'm light on the report button.

Genuine question on topic: Do you think it was a wise decision to allow free upgrades from the PS3 version? Sure, it helped their initial sales, but I can't help but think it's the primary reason why their PS4 sales are where they are, even given PS4/Sony's own problems.

I mean, the PS3, IMO, has a good bit of life left in it. I know I won't be able to afford to upgrade to a PS4 for a good while yet.


I think they should of not given free upgrades because it was obvious they were not going to sell very well and they needed all the sales they could get, as you can see from the news posts. This is a catastrophy for Square, an embarassing one.

PS4 FFXIV is a rather feeble conversion but I'd imagine it still cost them a lot of money to create, probably more than the meager sales gave them back. I would think the shareholders are watching over Yoshi closer than ever now, since he seems to be making some very poor business decisions.

Steam launch was a failure adding just over 2k players, and now a PS4 launch failure where they didn't even sell half as much as they expected.

Terrible.

Edited, May 4th 2014 3:41pm by preludes


So what you're saying is that what Yoshi elected to do did not fall in line with his objective to win back the players trust and wasn't the ethically correct decision to make? He said in the beginning that he wanted Square to put everything they had on the line to win back their players, which they agreed to do. Are you saying he isn't accomplishing that which is evident by the financial information posted all over your other threads indicating that prior to ARR Square was bleeding cash very badly but suddenly they weren't after it's launch in which they indicated one of the direct causes was FFXIV:ARR?

Edited, May 4th 2014 3:46pm by darexius2010
#39 May 04 2014 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
I strongly recommend carrying on conversation about the success of the ps4 version in the thread we already have... no need to feed this pointless troll thread.

Preludes posted over there before posting over here, so he probably just wanted more attention. Why indulge him?
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#40 May 04 2014 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Preludes posted over there before posting over here, so he probably just wanted more attention. Why indulge him?
Well, he did just ask that people be moderated for breaking rules, and since he posted the same idea spanning multiple threads that would be considered spam by the rules on Zam. So, you should respect his suggestion and moderate.
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#41 May 04 2014 at 1:51 PM Rating: Default
darexius2010 wrote:
preludes wrote:
Can all these people be moderated for going off topic?

This is about FFXIV on PS4 selling vastly under Square Enix expectations.

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Why do you continue to do it? What do you get out of it?


I like to be part of the Zam community, I've been part of it before most of you were infact. Also this isn't a troll post it's a post showing what has been widely posted on many games news sites. You guys all post the "good" ones but don't find these ones, isn't that strange?


Where are we off topic? We're discussing the PS4 sales, which includes PS3 sales, sales tactics, etc. All of it was relevant. Sorry we got side-railed by your sock.

Screenshot

Here's a screenshot of the first page of Google when you search "Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn". Funny, there's nothing negative there. Guess you gotta dig for your information.


Why would I post on another account when I can post on this one? Maybe it's your sock, you already said you had some "issues" or something..

http://www.finalfantasyunion.com/news/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-japanese-retail-ps4-sales-for-first-week-are-in--2456.html

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/28/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-posts-underwhelming-ps4-retail-sales-in-japan/

http://technewsnow.com/news/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-posts-underwhelming-ps4-retail-sales-in-japan




#42 May 04 2014 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Why would I post on another account when I can post on this one? Maybe it's your sock, you already said you had some "issues" or something..

Facts being what they are, an account suddenly appeared with zero post history coming to defend you. I personally reported it and asked for a sock check, regardless of whether anyone else did. Very very shortly afterward, that user and their subsequent thread was removed from the forum. If we need a fact check, I'm sure Thayos would be happy to clarify if the sock was mine, and I absolutely give him permission to indicate whether it was or not, and to also verify my claim of having reported the user.

As for lolgaxe:

According to Article 7, Section A:

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Disrupting the site
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So as much as I hate it, he didn't technically spam...

Edited, May 4th 2014 4:02pm by darexius2010
#43REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ashamed of how poorly the ps4 version is selling Thayos? I can understand that.
#44REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2014 at 2:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You accusing someone else of spam, well at least I had a chuckle at that.
#45 May 04 2014 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
I request that this thread be locked as it isn't a thread designed to carry on a conversation and discussion about the sales of the PS4 copy of FFXIV. It is a thread designed to look at a small pidgin-holed size of the argument in order to bolster... something, I dunno. You still haven't really come out and clarified what it is you want out of all of this.
#46 May 04 2014 at 2:08 PM Rating: Default
darexius2010 wrote:
I request that this thread be locked as it isn't a thread designed to carry on a conversation and discussion about the sales of the PS4 copy of FFXIV. It is a thread designed to look at a small pidgin-holed size of the argument in order to bolster... something, I dunno. You still haven't really come out and clarified what it is you want out of all of this.


Posting a FFXIV relevant news story, why does it scare you so much?

Thayos even thanked me for posting it, even though I'm sure he is sending out some PMs right about now.

Edited, May 4th 2014 4:18pm by preludes
#47 May 04 2014 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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You accusing someone else of spam, well at least I had a chuckle at that.
What does this have to do with FFXIV on PS4 selling vastly under Square Enix expectations? Hypocrite.
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#48 May 04 2014 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
Seems like I missed a party when I was giving platelets and then eating Mexican for dinner today *hic*

So I actually know a bit more about this due to a ****-ton of research I've done lately. I gave a History of Final Fantasy panel at Athcon last night (and I'll probably be doing this panel at many other conventions since it's a really fascinating topic.)

The historical goal for a game to be successful for Square is 200,000 units sold. Their number for a guaranteed sequel is 400K units sold, which jives with the goal that Yoshi P had stated at the launch of ARR as their intended goal - instead of a sequel, that was the goal required by SE to get the green light for an expansion pack.

This isn't the number of subscribers, might you. Our resident trolls might care about that, but SE's criteria for a successful game when they were just Square was always units sold.

Considering SE hit that number five fold (assuming their 2 million number does not include beta players who ultimately did not subscribe), the lower than expected PS4 sales don't mean anything other than the PS4 is not an established console yet and the game has only been out for a month.
#49 May 04 2014 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seems like I missed a party when I was giving platelets and then eating Mexican for dinner today *hic*

So I actually know a bit more about this due to a sh*t-ton of research I've done lately. I gave a History of Final Fantasy panel at Athcon last night (and I'll probably be doing this panel at many other conventions since it's a really fascinating topic.)

The historical goal for a game to be successful for Square is 200,000 units sold. Their number for a guaranteed sequel is 400K units sold, which jives with the goal that Yoshi P had stated at the launch of ARR as their intended goal - instead of a sequel, that was the goal required by SE to get the green light for an expansion pack.

This isn't the number of subscribers, might you. Our resident trolls might care about that, but SE's criteria for a successful game when they were just Square was always units sold.

Considering SE hit that number five fold (assuming their 2 million number does not include beta players who ultimately did not subscribe), the lower than expected PS4 sales don't mean anything other than the PS4 is not an established console yet and the game has only been out for a month.


Catwho, I'm just curious, but if I'm not mistaken, Athcon is an IT Security convention. How did FF enter into it? Again, just curious. Mucho respecto!
#50 May 04 2014 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default
Catwho wrote:
Seems like I missed a party when I was giving platelets and then eating Mexican for dinner today *hic*

So I actually know a bit more about this due to a sh*t-ton of research I've done lately. I gave a History of Final Fantasy panel at Athcon last night (and I'll probably be doing this panel at many other conventions since it's a really fascinating topic.)

The historical goal for a game to be successful for Square is 200,000 units sold. Their number for a guaranteed sequel is 400K units sold, which jives with the goal that Yoshi P had stated at the launch of ARR as their intended goal - instead of a sequel, that was the goal required by SE to get the green light for an expansion pack.

This isn't the number of subscribers, might you. Our resident trolls might care about that, but SE's criteria for a successful game when they were just Square was always units sold.

Considering SE hit that number five fold (assuming their 2 million number does not include beta players who ultimately did not subscribe), the lower than expected PS4 sales don't mean anything other than the PS4 is not an established console yet and the game has only been out for a month.


This really has nothing to do with PS4 and how it's selling, this has to do with the number of players that beta tested the game 200k (yes this number was beta testers and not ps4 sales) and the vastly lower number of players that actually decided to buy the game. As such it vastly underperformed and they are now stuck with excess stock by a huge margin, for many companies this isn't a big deal but we know that Square take this very seriously.

Also you know the 2 million registered players is almost meaningless, it's xiv v1 players, beta players from every platform etc. It's a highly padded meaningless number.

As I stated previously they saw TR as a failure because it sold 4.3 million instead of 6m, so what must they think about this?



Edited, May 4th 2014 5:10pm by preludes
#51 May 04 2014 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
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