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#102 Mar 31 2014 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
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The drop rate for these is crazy, there isn't any consistency. I'm in a small FC. As it stands, I have devoted the least amount of time to this (about 4hrs), and have 2 atma. The FC leader sat down on Saturday at 0/12, and finished the day at 12/12. My brother grinded for about 20hrs since patch day, is 12/12. But one of the other FC lads has grinded for 10+ and is on 4. It's seems like the RNG hates some, loves others!


I ended yesterday at 9/12.

I have mixed feelings towards it. I hate it. But, it's very reminiscent of the torture endured in FFXI so I love it. I think I love the idea of it, but I wish it felt less tacked on and less like a "oh man no one is doing fates anymore, lets make them" situation.
#103 Mar 31 2014 at 7:33 AM Rating: Default
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The drop rate for these is crazy, there isn't any consistency. I'm in a small FC. As it stands, I have devoted the least amount of time to this (about 4hrs), and have 2 atma. The FC leader sat down on Saturday at 0/12, and finished the day at 12/12. My brother grinded for about 20hrs since patch day, is 12/12. But one of the other FC lads has grinded for 10+ and is on 4. It's seems like the RNG hates some, loves others!



That is why I think it is a set number of fates. There are people I know who have all their atmas or close to it and have spent less time than me and I got two. Have a set # of fates everyone has to do, this way I know I am at least moving forward and it is fare..

I dont mind some grind and I defiantly dont mind working for something and having it take a while. Its not really fare when some people will put weeks maybe even months in hours in and some a few days.. Tes aint done with her atmas so it may change, but she walks into a area and within 15 min has a drop, I sit there for 6 hours and nothing. She only needs 4 more but she also has 4 doubles from staying with me to help.

This is making it no fun.. We wanted to do this together and we try and she ends up with two atmas when she stays to help me out. She stays with me and gets a second atma making her feel bad.. She dont mind sticking it out but we figured ah maybe a hour or so, but to sit and do something for six hours after yours drop when you are getting nothing out of it. So we switch areas or I have to send her too a new area she still needs.

Anyone that knows me too knows I have been hitting it hard for the fates. I farmed atmas 13 hours yesterday except for one dungeon run. Sat I spent 1/2 a day to get zero. I spent most of my Friday and part of my Thursday.

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 9:35am by Nashred
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#104 Mar 31 2014 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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That is why I think it is a set number of fates. There are people I know who have all their atmas or close to it and have spent less time than me and I got two. Have a set # of fates everyone has to do, this way I know I am at least moving forward and it is fare..


I disagree.

I think we have entirely too much "grind x number of things" events in this game. I want a mix. I want RNG in some instances and hate doing mindless "do the easiest shortest dungeon as fast as possible" runs.

I'm not saying they don't equate to the same thing in the end... you are still grinding, but with a glimmer of hope. I think the possibility that I'll get an atma in 15 minutes keeps this bearable. In fact, a few of my atmas dropped very quickly.

In the end, I wish there were deeper systems than "RNG or Grind currency" in this game. Neither is ideal, both encourage weird player behavior in order to do it efficiently.

And for your reference, RNG is fair. It's unbiased, its purely math.
#105 Mar 31 2014 at 8:05 AM Rating: Default
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That is why I think it is a set number of fates. There are people I know who have all their atmas or close to it and have spent less time than me and I got two. Have a set # of fates everyone has to do, this way I know I am at least moving forward and it is fare..


I disagree.

I think we have entirely too much "grind x number of things" events in this game. I want a mix. I want RNG in some instances and hate doing mindless "do the easiest shortest dungeon as fast as possible" runs.

I'm not saying they don't equate to the same thing in the end... you are still grinding, but with a glimmer of hope. I think the possibility that I'll get an atma in 15 minutes keeps this bearable. In fact, a few of my atmas dropped very quickly.

In the end, I wish there were deeper systems than "RNG or Grind currency" in this game. Neither is ideal, both encourage weird player behavior in order to do it efficiently.

And for your reference, RNG is fair. It's unbiased, its purely math.



I am not talking randomness in other things except atma drops.. Randomness in instances would be awsume. i think having bosses roam dungeons so you didn't know where they would be would be awsum. We seem to have a cookie cutter dungeon going on. Hell each dungeon has the same amount of bosses too. I agree, I just dont on the atmas.
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#106 Mar 31 2014 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
Everyone says they want RNG stuff until they turn out to be the person the RNG is ******** over.

For me in XI it was the Moldavite earring, a supposedly 15-20% drop rate off a goblin with a 2.5 hour respawn time.

I went 1/57 on that guy.
#107 Mar 31 2014 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone says they want RNG stuff until they turn out to be the person the RNG is ******** over.

For me in XI it was the Moldavite earring, a supposedly 15-20% drop rate off a goblin with a 2.5 hour respawn time.

I went 1/57 on that guy.


RNG was in my favor in FFXI until Mii Deggi the Punisher... I quit him for good after 120+ claims without a drop.

I would like a system that combines both. Like, you have a 1% chance at a rare drop, and the more you do it, the higher your drop chance gets. So you are still working towards something, but still have the chance at super awesome luck party USA.

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 10:36am by Louiscool
#108 Mar 31 2014 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
Everyone says they want RNG stuff until they turn out to be the person the RNG is ******** over.

For me in XI it was the Moldavite earring, a supposedly 15-20% drop rate off a goblin with a 2.5 hour respawn time.

I went 1/57 on that guy.


I was lucky enough to get 2 in about 20 minutes yesterday. This system still sucks.
#109 Mar 31 2014 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
I got my first three atma after about nine hours of total farming... then my fourth atma took me nearly eight hours to get the drop. I was starting to get that old FFXI feeling of hopelessness, but then I went 1/1 on my fifth atma!

So now I'm sitting four days after the patch with 5/12 atma... I can live with that. At this rate, I'll be ready to start upgrading (or focusing more on grinding myths, which sounds awesome right about now) maybe by the weekend.

Thank goodness for laptops... being able to mindlessly grind FATEs while watching movies and TV shows was a huge help.

EDIT: Tonight I should do my FATE grinding with this in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Uz1icjwrM

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 8:40am by Thayos
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#110 Mar 31 2014 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Thayos wrote:
I got my first three atma after about nine hours of total farming... then my fourth atma took me nearly eight hours to get the drop. I was starting to get that old FFXI feeling of hopelessness, but then I went 1/1 on my fifth atma!

So now I'm sitting four days after the patch with 5/12 atma... I can live with that. At this rate, I'll be ready to start upgrading (or focusing more on grinding myths, which sounds awesome right about now) maybe by the weekend.

Thank goodness for laptops... being able to mindlessly grind FATEs while watching movies and TV shows was a huge help.

EDIT: Tonight I should do my FATE grinding with this in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Uz1icjwrM

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 8:40am by Thayos


Did a couple hours in W. La Nocsea while doing story stuff... lots of coral armbands/rings. No atma.
#111 Mar 31 2014 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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LebargeX wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I got my first three atma after about nine hours of total farming... then my fourth atma took me nearly eight hours to get the drop. I was starting to get that old FFXI feeling of hopelessness, but then I went 1/1 on my fifth atma!

So now I'm sitting four days after the patch with 5/12 atma... I can live with that. At this rate, I'll be ready to start upgrading (or focusing more on grinding myths, which sounds awesome right about now) maybe by the weekend.

Thank goodness for laptops... being able to mindlessly grind FATEs while watching movies and TV shows was a huge help.

EDIT: Tonight I should do my FATE grinding with this in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Uz1icjwrM

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 8:40am by Thayos


Did a couple hours in W. La Nocsea while doing story stuff... lots of coral armbands/rings. No atma.


Yea that is one area i spent 5 plus hours with no drops and one of the areas Tes got two from.
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#112 Mar 31 2014 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Velerophon wrote:
The drop rate for these is crazy, there isn't any consistency. I'm in a small FC. As it stands, I have devoted the least amount of time to this (about 4hrs), and have 2 atma. The FC leader sat down on Saturday at 0/12, and finished the day at 12/12. My brother grinded for about 20hrs since patch day, is 12/12. But one of the other FC lads has grinded for 10+ and is on 4. It's seems like the RNG hates some, loves others!


Statistically speaking, that's exactly what you'd expect if this was perfectly random. If you charted it on a graph, you'd see a curve where most people will be finished in below-average time with a spike of a few, very unlucky people who have to spend an uncharacteristically high number of attempts to finish the same task.
#113 Mar 31 2014 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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So, I was bored yesterday and decided to give this absurdity one more try. The RNG gods finally decided to smile on me, as I went from one atma to five atma in just over two hours. Then the gate slammed shut again while trying for the sixth. Not that I'm even sure I'm in the right zone since there is no such place as Central La Noscea. I've taken that to mean Middle La Noscea. Though, considering how long I was there with no drops, I'm starting to wonder if I'm even in the right place.
#114 Mar 31 2014 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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So, I was bored yesterday and decided to give this absurdity one more try. The RNG gods finally decided to smile on me, as I went from one atma to five atma in just over two hours. Then the gate slammed shut again while trying for the sixth. Not that I'm even sure I'm in the right zone since there is no such place as Central La Noscea. I've taken that to mean Middle La Noscea. Though, considering how long I was there with no drops, I'm starting to wonder if I'm even in the right place.


Not only that, one of the zones is actually listed twice in the log. Yay for them trying to make us waste even more time on an already time-consuming task.

You should probably follow the item descriptions (in the first post in this thread) rather than the quest log, on this one.
#115 Mar 31 2014 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
About 7 hours in and not a single atma yet. I'm beginning to see how fun this is going to be long term....
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#116 Mar 31 2014 at 11:21 PM Rating: Excellent
Spent most of tonight in Upper La Noscea... no drop.

Meanwhile, a guy entered the party about 45 mins ago and said he'd started collecting atma this morning and already had seven! Then, 15 mins ago, he got his eighth and left.

Even more crazy than the randomness is how the RNG seems to be totally rigged for certain players.
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#117 Mar 31 2014 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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Spent most of tonight in Upper La Noscea... no drop.

Meanwhile, a guy entered the party about 45 mins ago and said he'd started collecting atma this morning and already had seven! Then, 15 mins ago, he got his eighth and left.

Even more crazy than the randomness is how the RNG seems to be totally rigged for certain players.


Ya, couple in my shell are already on the next step after one day of farming.
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#118 Mar 31 2014 at 11:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ya, couple in my shell are already on the next step after one day of farming.


I've been at this pretty hardcore since Friday, and I'm just 5/12. Tonight was a real downer, grinding FATES hardcore for five hours with no drops.

Back in the saddle tomorrow.
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#119 Apr 01 2014 at 3:16 AM Rating: Good
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Three hours and one Atma later, I'm already sick of this. There is nothing fun about spamming low level FATEs. There is no challenge and barely any effort involved. This is just a pure grind in the worst way. I'm not saying that I'm going to quit over this, but I wouldn't be surprised if others did.

3 hours and you've got one of the 12 items you need. Spend 3 hours 11 more days and you'll be done in less than 2 weeks and probably right back on here ******** about not having anything to do.


Or you know, go 20+ hours without a drop because random is as random does.
#120 Apr 01 2014 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
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Spent most of tonight in Upper La Noscea... no drop.

Meanwhile, a guy entered the party about 45 mins ago and said he'd started collecting atma this morning and already had seven! Then, 15 mins ago, he got his eighth and left.

Even more crazy than the randomness is how the RNG seems to be totally rigged for certain players.


Upper was a little painful. I think I spent a total of 2 days (10 hours) on it.

It's not really rigged. This is how statistics work. For instance, I got two of my atmas within the first two FATEs I did in those particular zones.
#121 Apr 01 2014 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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So, I was bored yesterday and decided to give this absurdity one more try. The RNG gods finally decided to smile on me, as I went from one atma to five atma in just over two hours. Then the gate slammed shut again while trying for the sixth. Not that I'm even sure I'm in the right zone since there is no such place as Central La Noscea. I've taken that to mean Middle La Noscea. Though, considering how long I was there with no drops, I'm starting to wonder if I'm even in the right place.



Yea how does that get by? There are two errors on the list.. how do you not know the names of the areas to your own game.. Se really has got some issues lately..

Another 3 hrs or 4 hrs last night so up to about 10 hrs since my last one.. 15 hours to get my first.. Getting very annoying at thrate i am getting them it will be 6 months.

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#122 Apr 01 2014 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
I ran a couple FATEs on my laptop this morning while using the rr before work.

No atma... but I'm gonna do whatever it takes!
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#123 Apr 01 2014 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
Oddly though, as much time as this has taken (up to 2 atma now! woo hoo!), I've been enjoying the scenery I hadn't bothered with since launch. This is definitely giving me flashbacks of XI and part of me is enjoying it, damn you SE!
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#124 Apr 01 2014 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I was still 9/12 from sunday until an hour ago... Gods of RNG, why dost tho forsake me.

Edited, Apr 1st 2014 1:24pm by Louiscool
#125 Apr 01 2014 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was still 9/12 from sunday until an hour ago... Gods of RNG, why dost tho forsake me.


Even though I got totally boned last night, I'm excited to get back in the grind when I get home.

I know I just need one good night with the RNG on my side to make a huge dent in my quest... I'm still hopeful that I'll be through with the RNG by the end of the weekend, but we'll see. There's no way to know... and the only way forward is to keep on grinding.
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#126 Apr 01 2014 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I was still 9/12 from sunday until an hour ago... Gods of RNG, why dost tho forsake me.


Even though I got totally boned last night, I'm excited to get back in the grind when I get home.

I know I just need one good night with the RNG on my side to make a huge dent in my quest... I'm still hopeful that I'll be through with the RNG by the end of the weekend, but we'll see. There's no way to know... and the only way forward is to keep on grinding.


The company seals and chocobo leveling are the only things keeping me sane. Knowing that I can buy Ventures for retainers and coke / animal fat helps. I've gained about 90k seals already...



Edited, Apr 1st 2014 2:48pm by Louiscool
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