Final Fantasy 14 Gold Saucer Development Has Begun Follow

It took the first expansion for us to get Kammy's true story, though. At the end of the original Rank 6 missions, he was still the creepy metrosexual leader of Jeuno but that's all you really knew.

I have a feeling Nero is going to be much more developed as the larger XIV story unfolds.

It's a long one - sorry!!

I don't get it. Why bash the series by using certain examples whilst excluding other points?

You talk about Lightning, Gold Saucer and other 'traditional' FF staples as being a boring anomaly in the XIV world. It brings nothing new to the table per Yoshi's vision.
Yet, you're excluding all the original characters like Minfilia, Y'shtola, Good King and Lahabrea. Even the new areas are overlooked like Mor Dhona and Limsa Lominsa.

Final Fantasy is always trying to bring innovation mixed with its tradition. The fighting system may be similar to other MMOs, but it is new to the FF series. You may be upset seeing certain names and styles reappearing, but then you might as well be upset with the other FFs that reused certain palates or styles to create a game.

Final Fantasy IX was a huge nod to the FF series before it. Why can't XIV do the same? As IX did, XIV borrowed older lores to blend a world. It didn't necessarily use the lores to drive the whole story, but for FF fans to recognize and follow. Not every player that comes on XIV can sit there and pinpoint every aspect of the older games. Some ppl might have started on X , XI or even this game and not even know that Crystal Tower was from FFIII.

You argue that Lightning is in the main story. When did she get involve with Minfilia's group? At what point did she help us fight the Primal? You need to separate Main storyline versus side quests or SPECIAL events. That's all Lightning, Dragon Quests and FFXI was. Just a special event. It's for people to get together, "team up" and enjoy content.
--- And in the talks about Lightning being a dimension traveler, I would agree with this concept. You have to look at Dissidia. I would even say Dissidia was almost the first of the series. You have to look at the Warrior of Light's story path to agree with the theory. SpoilerAt the end, he appears in Cornelia with crystal in hand as he walks to the castle like the very first part of FFI.
Gilgamesh in this game could and most likely be the Gilgy from FFV, I (ports), XII and other ones that he had existed in. SpoilerHe has been banished into the X-zone and made comments of that when reappearing in VIII.

Names like Raubahn that exist in XIV doesn't mean that Yoshi can't come up with a new idea. Just because the name is reused, it doesn't mean that its the same character. It's just a name. A whole new persona attached to it. Because if a name is such a game breaker, then we should pay attention to characters like Biggs and Wedge.

Final Fantasy is all about evolving. Something new. Something old. Something blue. Something different. If you can't separate the differences and actually give credit to the new laid out before you, then I would suggest maybe trying something different? FF isn't for everyone, especially the borrowed and innovative lore/gameplay. (Example of my past: When a bunch of my friends who bought FFVII because of the T.V. promos only to be disappointed that it wasn't like Zelda or whatever ideas they had for it.)

Have to agree.. One of the things that always comes to mind when talking about bringing unique things to XIV is when Yoshi said he wanted to start with the sure fire things that are foundational for successful MMOs first, then build upon it adding unique things as you get a firm base. Not just being unique for the sake of being unique. Game is 6-7 months old and was reborn from a failure in a short amount of time. Let XIV get the foundational things of an MMO right FIRST and THEN work towards uniqueness. Give it some credit.. Give it a chance to grow. Your in essence expecting a baby to get up walk and hold a full time job lmao

I think ARR already brings a lot to the table in terms of technical innovation.

It's the first "next-gen" MMO to be cross-platform with the PS4 while also utilizing remote play... and, by all accounts, the game plays beautifully on the Vita. This could be a game-changing thing for the MMO genre.

Also, the unique gamepad UI is certainly innovative. No other MMO has gone to such lengths to make console gamers feel so much at home. This could be another game-changing thing for the MMO genre.

The argument could also be made that the game's scalable graphics engine is also somewhat innovative. Years later, the game's graphics will be able to be kept current without massive overhauls... that's an innovation that we may not see immediate results from, but it's still innovation.

And yes, within the game, the groundwork is being laid for plenty of innovation going forward. The game just needs time to grow; it's only seven months old, and we're not even near the first expansion. As was the case with FFXI, I'm expecting the first big "new" systems to be implemented with the expansion.

You can't design and build an MMO around what 1 or 2 people like. The fact of the matter is that they polled players in an attempt to find out what MOST people wanted. That is Basically what we ended up with. You may not think this is new and or innovative enough, but some people playing have never played an MMO before. It's all new to them.
You may not use the vita remote play, but i can bet others will. Like when big brother wants to watch tv, but little bro wants to play FF XIV. That's what it is for. The game is designed for old and new players to pick up and have fun.
If you have some great new and innovative ideas, go to school ... get a job in the gaming industry, then show the devs how it's done. Until then, you are stuck with what you get.

Don't you also have the PC version though? Or other TVs?

This isn't a dig at Final Fantasy XIV, by the way. I just don't see the point of this remote play feature. Most people have more than one television. I think this is one reason nobody cares about the Wii U. Remote play with the Wii U controller is supposed to be one of the big features I think, but nobody really seems to care or use it.

Edited, Mar 7th 2014 6:19pm by LucasNox

Admitting something failed because it tried (and failed) to innovate is not the same as saying innovation is bad.

You'll never find me saying, anywhere, that innovation is bad.

As for the value of remote play, a lot of people are actually very excited about it. I was using the husband and wife thing as an example... I won't literally be buying a Vita for remote play. I already have a laptop that can run the game, and I couldn't justify spending another $200 for another portable option.

However, if all I had was my gaming PC and a ps4, then I'd very strongly consider buying a new or used Vita at one-third the cost of a laptop that could run the game on its lowest settings.

And if I had a bit more disposable income -- and I know some of the gifted techies on this forum do -- then I'd love to have a Vita for remote play if that meant I could kick back in my recliner, and not have to be sitting up with a laptop. EDIT: Heck, I may end up with a Vita anyway, because then I could play other PS4 games that I couldn't play on my laptop. I own a Wii U, and I play the crap out of virtual console games on remote play.

Having an MMORPG with remote play is definitely a cool innovation. Soon enough, you'll be able to pull out your handheld at the coffee shop and play your favorite MMORPG, and you'll remember that ARR led the way toward that.



Had no logical comeback?

Edited, Mar 7th 2014 3:45pm by Thayos

I didn't say that you said it was bad, just that you suggested it was the main reason why 1.0 failed. Innovative is usually different, but different doesn't mean innovative and that's the idea most people take away from discussion about it. Yes, the ideas in 1.0 were different but they failed because they were bad.

I don't have anything bad to say about remote play. I actually think it could work well. The reason I was laughing was because in order to make XIV stand out, you had to be extremely specific with your parameters.

Regardless of whether they release TERA for PS4, XBone or Turbografix16... it's still noteworthy because of the combat mechanic and not what platform it's available on. I don't have to list any irrelevant parameters to distinguish it from the other options because it stands on it's own.

He might be laughing because there's already multiple cross-platform MMOs available on the PS4 which also use remote play (all PS4 games offer remote play).

In fact, DC Universe Online (complete with a game-wide graphic overhaul) was available on the day of PS4's launch and people got to have all the cross-platform, remote play, MMORPG fun they wanted.

Edited, Mar 7th 2014 9:37pm by LucasNox

DC universe is cross platform with consoles only, not the PC. ARR will be the first to do it all.

Also, DC Universe On the Vita isn't nearly the accomplishment of getting a next-gen title like ARR to run on it. The graphics update for DC was very minor. ARR brings a much more polished, tech-hungry title with its dedicated gamepad UI further tweaked for the Vita. This sets the standard... Not a slightly more colorful DC. Whatever DC does has no real impact on future MMORPG titles.

And Filth, stop putting words in my mouth. Stick to using your own opinions, and don't try to change things I have said to prop up your arguments. Never have I said FFXIV failed because it tried to innovate. My opinion is XIV failed because what SE tried to do didn't work. Big, big, huge difference.

Sorry, but if there is one thing I can't stand, it's people twisting my words around or paraphrasing me without context. You are allowed to paraphrase, but you've got to get it right.



Exactly.

And Filth, about this:



To compare ARR against MMOs that have been around for three or four years would be kind of pointless, considering ARR is a completely different game that's only been out for seven months. The only thing the same about ARR and v1.0 is both were registered under the FFXIV trademark. Other than that, totally different games. Different servers, different graphics engine, different architecture, different game mechanics, different maps, new client, different everything. ARR was literally made to replace 1.0. It wasn't an expansion, or even a true sequel (although it seems like one from a story perspective). ARR is a replacement, period.

To follow the logic that ARR is a four-year-old game, you could also say that SE previously made FFXI, so ARR is actually 12 years old.


Edited, Mar 7th 2014 7:38pm by Thayos

Oh how nice .. You think everyone has a multitude of tv's. Wait... i bet you think everyone makes enough money to own a ps4 and a vita.
Oh, the probably saved it when they didn't buy the wii .. or food .. or rent.

Sorry Thayos, but no. ARR is version 2.0 so if you're going to compare it to other games vanilla launch, it's not a fair comparison. Compare 1.0 to vanilla WoW or compare ARR to TBC. It's only fair.

You say yourself that ARR is a completely different game from 1.0. I've already conceded that it may be to some, though I'm sure you already know why it isn't to me. The problem with your logic is that there is no vacuum that XIV was placed in during 1.0. The 3 years between launches were used to take feedback, fix bugs and implement the new systems and engine. Call it a new game, call it an expansion... call it whatever the hell you want to call it. SE made pretty good use of that time to improve the game and any other game used for comparison should at least have the same benefit.

"Oh but SE had to completely toss out the original version of the game and install a new client, graphics engine, yadda yadda..."

Yeah. Who's fault is that?

I said not to read it if you haven't watched the cutscene. T_T It's quite a huge development and I am curious as to where they are going with it. I'll put large tags around it.

If you already have seen it, though: SpoilerThe whole idea behind Twintania is that he is controlling her through the collar you see wrapped around her neck throughout the fight. The collar that breaks into pieces to signify different stages of the fight. At the end, you see Louis and Nael Van Darnus working on something...more accurately: Bahamut's severed head. You can see a collar around his neck as well.



This is true. I just am having a hard time seeing Nero's motivations. Then again, if you said the same thing about Kam'lanaut after rank 6 and only had that to work off of, I don't think you could have hypothesized the rest of the missions plus an entire expansion worth of story.



This and only this. lol The piano collections version is so nice to listen to and so hard to play! I would really like to see a remastered version of this theme like they did with CT. :)



Also, as much as I hate Filth's argument that this game is 3 years old in certain aspects, it technically did not start from the ground up. I'm talking about things like graphics, locations, certain mechanics: just the framework. What they did was either improve upon those aspects or removed them in some cases (like graphics).

When I think about the story, I don't think it's fair to say ARR is 3 years old. They had to destroy the old world, pretty much, in order to start this story we see now. Yes, it had backstory as a result but so did WoW due to the books published during the RTS years. However, if you accidentally read some spoilers in this thread or on the net, you would realize this is a very weak statement to make!

It might be more appropriate to consider ARR's endgame raids. It really isn't fair to consider ARR to be 3 years old when it is clear these raids were conceived after 1.0's death. I mean..they kind of had to be. What else are you going to call The Binding Coil of Bahamut? :P

When I think about the game engine, I don't think it's entirely unfair to consider the entire duration of FFXIV's lifetime.

Innovation can be a detrimental thing as well. I believe 1.0's developers quoted their necessity to get away from XI and other MMO's framework as the reason they failed. Whether this is the case or not, I don't know. I never played 1.0.

Something innovative isn't necessarily successful by default. Take what was mentioned above: guildhests. Yes, I haven't seen these in another MMO before. Are they very successful though? No, not really. I personally found them to be an enjoyable break from the questing + occasional dungeon but it would appear the majority of the playerbase did not think this way and still do not.

I think 14 has some original ideas. I wouldn't stick around if it didn't. I like the nods to past FFs. Almost all recent FF games have something like this. If CT has shown success (and continues to be popular through 2.2+), I don't see why the Saucer would be a bad addition. At the same time, some of us are wary about these additions:




when the groundwork for 14 has not been necessarily stabilized.

Edited, Mar 8th 2014 2:51am by HitomeOfBismarck