Battle System changes interview and 700k beta testersFollow

I was right, combat sucked, or they would not have changed it....

Lol yeah glad they changed it geez.. Glad it was in beta and not release. Actually listening a little bit to feedback.. Also woooah 700,000 testers?? ARR is going to be the new come back kid :D

I do have one question though.. Why is the date 6/13/2013.. Isnt today the 12th? Yoshi is still here in the U.S right? Or is it a Japan time thing

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 6:52pm by SaitoMishima

Well dependin on how they estimate that, I may be 10 of them lol....

Touche my friend.

Either that or they always planned to change it and phase 1 was just for server stress testing.....I'm sure I read that somewhere.

If this is true (IF), then the purpose of holding a beta, to seek feedback and improve and enhance the game for all has served its purpose.

I agreed with you that combat needed a bit of a revamp but probably did not think it was as bas as you did. I also disagreed with your suggestion the mashing the same skill over and over again was more effective than mixing it up. All that said, the article referred to above does seem to deal with a lot of noted issues in the battle system and I am looking forward to testing in B3 (if possible given the level restriction of 35 and the absence of content post 35).

The combat did kinda suck. It felt like the mobs were easy and I didn't like how when you got a spell that was more powerful than the previous one it would be the only one used pretty much.

Keep telling me what to do and see how far that gets you.

I don't think I'm being a fanboy, they're listening to feedback and making changes yet you can't help but bash them every post you make.

I'll say they're responding to feedback. TONS of response. I'll never say that SE doesn't listen anymore.

From the very start of Beta 1, there was a comment in the beta notes put up by the devs that phase 1 was for server stress testing and phase 2 was for controller testing.

It was also reasonably clearly put that the battle system would be subject to constant revision up to phase 3 when it would be close to final release version.

The reason companies have NDA's is because cant help themselves but ***** about things that they dont like even if it is just in beta.

I actaully agree with much of Ostia's views on combat in phase 1 and 2, but was always confident it would be fixed. Lets hope it was though as I have indicated previously, we may not know in phase 3 as there is still a level limit and no high level content.

Phase 3 is going to need incredible input for balancing. What will be a monk's dps in a stand and fight situation? Will they be gimp in fights that require them to break their rotations often? How long and what is the payout of stacking elements on mage? Can it be zerged with a bunch of refresh and lead to OP production? Is the new war a bad tank and a bad dd, or does it make pld a waste of a slot? Does it make drg and monk liability squish dds?

You really can't balance these new concepts untill light party and raid settings. They sound very complex to balance.

Expect at least one job to be complely game breaking at first.

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 9:03pm by benjjjamin

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 9:05pm by benjjjamin

Fair enough, let's see what phase 3 has in store for us.

I agree on the idea that the core of the battle system's probems lie with the monsters, not the classes. I would like to see more depth introduced more quickily for each class, as well as a bit more of the complexity returned for Lancer/Dragoon. But I don' think that there was a missing depth on behalf of the classes, so much as the fact that such depth wasn't needed.

There was a significant advantage to using Heavy Thrust's debuff. (About 10% base damage increase, before Potency multipliers) But it just didn't matter when the monster died quickly anyways.That sort of difference would shine like crazy in longer fights, not so much in the short ones we were experiencing.

The game is quite fun, I'm ready for it to be out. That said, it did need a lot of tuning at phase 2. But, you know what. I'm ok with them still needing to tune the battle system by release. There's enough of that core energy there that makes it ok for a Vanilla game. That said, I'm confident that the improvements for Beta 3 will be a good step forward.



I'll disagree with you there. All it took was Windower and decent scripting. Everything else is gear and pattern recognition. It wasn't so much skill as preparedness. FFXIV 1.x had more skill requirement than FFXI ever did, and I see that FFXIV is gearing up to be similar, though the lower levels seemed to have been slow on the learning curve. I would have preferred getting more toys sooner for the players to learn with.

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 10:16pm by Hyrist