Warning to Players SE is STILL Banning!Follow

Doesn't hurt to try I guess.

I was reading something kinda interesting on the PlayOnline Members Agreement. Not sure if this pertains to everyone as I do not know if you are losing your PlayOnline Account or just FFXI ban. Furthermore, I am unaware if Tai has lost his or her account or if he or she just got a warning. Anyway...

On the PlayOnline Members Agreement Article 3.2 Section D:
"SEI MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY PLAYONLINE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME, WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE."

Yes that part is in all caps in the document. Not sure how to work around that one...

I also found it interesting that one way to be banned is if you in any way 'tarnish or damage' the reputation or credibility of SEI. Take that how you will.

If I am the last to notice this or if it has been mentioned, I am sorry. Kinda slow in the race here...

Having checked everything out beforehand, it would appear it would fall within the remit of Section 7 of the DPA, and that the conversation can be identified as between myself and a member of staff.

In regards to the terms and conditions, whilst I'm sure SE will use them, I'm not too sure if they're legal.

I had the warning placed, on my account, an automated decision, which SE wouldn't disclose. Hence why the DPA comes into this. With some luck, the caseworker will find things with it. If not, I'll accept their decision.

Just to add this:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/ESDWebPages/DoSearch.asp

If you go on there, and type in Square Enix, you'll see they do have a registered Data Controller. It also discloses they keep information in relation to accounts, and correspondance with their staff would count as part of that.

It's all related, so them not issuing a proper reply to a Subject Access Request will get them into bother.

At first I was going to agree to a lot of what you just said and believe that maybe this banning isn't so bad as everyone says it is...until my bf got banned that is. : /

We haven't even got a month into his game and he is already banned by the ever so popular LM-17 or whatever. No he doesn't use their party, and no he doesn't have 15 mules with 5 mil gill. Heck he only has 3 characters and he levels them all up.

The only rhyme or reason that he can think of getting banned was that when he tried to send a tell message to his friend, it was accidentally sent to one of those bro gamer people. The next day he was banned. However, now that I think about, I have done exactly the same thing and I am still ok. IN fact, I have even sold some of my plant items to NPC yet he has not...so wtf.

No the guy that camped the same NM almost 30 times in our Linkshell and has several characters with 5 mil didn't get banned...just the guy that started playing. Makes total sense.

If he doesn't get his account back then I quit. I won't waste my time with something that will ban me eventually to. There are plenty of other non SE MMO's out there.

Edited, Nov 18th 2009 12:52pm by Icare

If you'd included his whole statement...



Bolded for emphasis =P I think Relics qualify as "wholly pointless" to the vast majority of the player base. Sure they're neat, but they're like Maat's Cap - far more for bragging rights than actual performance. Many Relics can be out-parsed to begin with, or hold a bare edge that isn't remotely worth the amount of gil invested.

In response to Nechereshechere: Wholeheartedly agree with point #1, this isn't a conspiracy theory. 99% of the people suggesting it is are just venting, or having fun getting angry, which is quite understandable; the 1% who seriously believe it's a conspiracy can't possibly be the brightest crayons in the box.

In response to Icare: My sympathies to your boyfriend. Hard to say what the cause was; see if Square will look into it, but, depending on their reasoning, there may not be much of a review process. That being said, I can say for certain it's not solely based on responding to RMT. I curse at them all the time, and have sent mis-tells to them on occasion, never had anything come of it. What actually caused it, well, who knows... pointless to speculate since there's no way any of us on the forums can know for sure we're getting the complete picture. I'd lean towards Square being over-zealous again, but I haven't heard about random wrongful bannings in quite some time, barring trial accounts. So who knows, but, my sympathies.

It's sad reading back some of the responses that have resulted from this topic... I've moved on... Everyday its weird waking up after 5 years of playing this game and meeting all the great people that suddenly its all gone... The people aren't gone at least.

I honestly have to say I don't care if you think putting tons of gil on a mule was a stupid idea. I thought it was the GREATEST IDEA as it was a "community effort" to complete a relic. Whats to say was a good idea and a bad idea. Countless Salvage runs and tons of gil to get a mythic weapon? Salvage Gear? Einherjar abjurations? Whats to say is a good way to play any game? Is it fair to say that you can't just judge people by their goals when some are more hardcore and others much more casual.

Honestly, I felt impelled to start a thread to the public, and SE has bascially chosen anyone thats harvested gil over time hoping to finish anything worthwhile in the game was not worth it and didn't fit "their style" of how the game should be played.

The bottomline isn't my mule account that was banned that I cared about... It's the effort that was lost in my little community. It's the constantly feeling like I did something to betray my linkshell.

6 Accounts I owned again I must stress...

1 75 SMN that i ran around to fish and collect currency as a third box account. (The Ninja account had 7 sets of gear I swap between while tanking, and Blue Mage was also at full capacity)

1 75 BLM / PLD / RNG Given to us by a prior linkshell mate, I continued to maintain for the 100+4 alchemy that he had worked so hard to get to.

1 75 PLD / RNG account we used to watch times in sky to find the best possible time to farm sky pops without irritating other linkshells.

1 5 Mules x 16 for linkshell drops, pop items that were rare and can't be stored on more then 1 char.

1 75 BRD WHM RDM BLM SMN (Gummybear) With an almost completed relic horn from ls effort, the currencty was lost when the mule was banned cuz we are supposedly "RMT".

1 75 BLU NIN WAR PLD THF (Kayle) My dual-box char that technically came before gummmybear, was built because when the linkshell i bought a new account and begin leveling gummybear as a whm.

Of these accounts the mule with all the items belonging to the ls was banned. It also happened to a friend on the same day. After all the crap peeps were saying about me, what goes around comes around... THE VERY SAME PEEPS talking crap were also beginning to get banned. So many e-mailed me asking for help after just days before talking crap... All I can say now is. Its time to move on... FF14 is a slap in all our faces... LOOK AT THE RACES have you ever heard of people with no new ideas recycling to THAT degree???

So what you are saying is 200 million gil is worth +12 invintory spaces. I don't think most people would agree with that.



Mandau increases THFs dps and WS damage by a ridiculous amount.

Apocalypse gives you 10% haste and drains a cure V's worth of HP every WS.

Bravura's WS cuts damage received by a flat 20%, puts an 18% DEF down on the target and does good damage on top of that (STR60% fTP 2.75)

Yoichinoyumi's WS has no additional hate over a regular shot and it's "strikes true" spot is outside '15 from the target on large mobs.

There has always been two categories of relics. The "amazing" category and the "meh" category. This has not really changed since they were released.



Edited, Dec 3rd 2009 1:59am by Lobivopis

I thought the horn was one of the easiest to obtain? Or am I just out of date?

Annihilator is only a bit harder than Mandau/Spharai.

Although Yoichinoyumi is a better endgame tool because it's "strikes true" range is outside '15 on large mobs and thus outside the "horrible rape radius" on HNM.

And yeah, nobody ever noticed Yoichi's sweet spot was a lot father back than other longbows until SE added their own version of distance to FFXI. Yoichi owners have been standing too close and not getting the maximum potential of their weapon for several years now.

Edited, Dec 6th 2009 6:39pm by Lobivopis

Wow, SE changed their mind on something. I never thought i would see the day, hopefully this will happen to more people like your brother soon. Congrats to you both.

Edited, Dec 11th 2009 1:49pm by Knumskull

Ouch, Phallucy, that really sucks. I was hoping that our experience would be shared by everyone. Apparently, it depends on who you get.

I wish you well and hope that at some point in the near future, you'll get what you seek (information and/or the account).

Edited, Dec 11th 2009 10:59pm by Dracoth

It might not even be official policy but rather one or a small number of people's private agenda within the company.

SE actually told everyone that was banned that they could start fresh again in FFXIV conveniently enough, which can support the "funneling players in to FFXIV" theory if you want it to. If you were banned from FFXI, they will still let you play FFXIV with a new account which I am not going to do.