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#352 Sep 23 2009 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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TaiStyle wrote:
Unfortunately, they've done so to the wrong person. I've access to a county solicitor who deals with these issues day in day out for another government office, and who is a close friend of mine.

I also no all the ins and outs of the DPA, and know SE are in the wrong. I feel an enforcement notice is coming.


So in theory, if SE were adamant that they will not comply under any circumstances and then proceed to ignore the ICO what could happen to them?
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#353 Sep 24 2009 at 12:54 AM Rating: Excellent
SE can be forced to comply or face fines. An example of this in action is The Carphone Warehouse. Link below

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/notices/carphone_warehouse_en.pdf
#354 Sep 24 2009 at 5:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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So from what I understand, you make the request and pay a fee and the company is obligated to reply with the requested info, however what governs the cost of the fee? Is the fee paid to se? What is stopping them from asking for $10,000.00 or your equivalent, something so high that no player in their right mind would pay?
#355 Sep 24 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
The fee is to SE to cover administration, and is capped at £10 by the government.
#356 Sep 24 2009 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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anyone use the "special issue chat support", is there any diff from the normal web support? or just the same crap "we will help u submit a appeal request"

anyone get their account back yet?

#357 Sep 24 2009 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's the same thing. Same BS.

And no... almost 2 months after my totally invalid and unjustified banning, I do NOT have my account back. I miss playing with my hubby online and with my FFXI family.
#358 Sep 24 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I've used the "special chat", no it wasn't any more helpful than the normal chat. Still banned after 3 months, no longer give a sh*t and gave up trying to get my account back. It's just not worth it trying to prove your innocence when nobody wants to listen and they refuse to allow you to do so. Not worth fighting a company to let me give them my money. Seriously, when you have to fight a company to give them money, you know something is wrong. They obviously don't care about their customers, so I no longer care about their product. I do miss playing the game, but there are other things out there than FFXI.

Edited, Sep 24th 2009 4:46pm by Phallucy
#359 Sep 24 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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TaiStyle wrote:
SE can be forced to comply or face fines. An example of this in action is The Carphone Warehouse. Link below

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/notices/carphone_warehouse_en.pdf


If SE ignores the notice and after that the resulting fines, then what? Assuming SE does not comply or pay their fines (or alternatively pays the fines but doesn't comply) What happens then?

Because I can totally see SE just giving the ICO the middle finger and refusing to comply.



Edited, Sep 24th 2009 7:50pm by Lobivopis
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#360 Sep 25 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Excellent
I can't find an example of a company who didn't comply unfortunately. Admittedly, I don't know. I would imagine they would be banned form trading within the UK or something.
#361 Sep 25 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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On what scale are the fines? If they're relatively small, one time or otherwise negligible, might be just a case of they pay them and keep going.
#362 Sep 25 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
The maximum fine I believe is £5000 for serious breaches, but this is rare. If SE does not have a data controller, then they will find theirselves in more trouble. The fact the CSO contacted me and not the data controller suggests they do not.

Need to wait and see I'm afraid.
#363 Sep 25 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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no longer give a sh*t and gave up trying to get my account back. It's just not worth it trying to prove your innocence when nobody wants to listen and they refuse to allow you to do so. Not worth fighting a company to let me give them my money. Seriously, when you have to fight a company to give them money, you know something is wrong. They obviously don't care about their customers, so I no longer care about their product. I do miss playing the game, but there are other things out there than FFXI.


This.
#364 Sep 27 2009 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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TaiStyle wrote:
The maximum fine I believe is £5000 for serious breaches, but this is rare. If SE does not have a data controller, then they will find theirselves in more trouble. The fact the CSO contacted me and not the data controller suggests they do not.

Need to wait and see I'm afraid.


Well if they just pay the fine and ignore you you can keep sending them requests hitting them with a £5000 fine for each one just out of spite.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#365 Sep 28 2009 at 12:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Indeed. With some luck, shareholders of SE would get the message. You then get them concerned about their money.
#366 Sep 28 2009 at 1:55 AM Rating: Excellent
Just for those interested...

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Square Enix Ltd are an international computer entertainment company, with offices in London, The United States and their head office in Tokyo. I am currently a subscriber to their online game, Final Fantasy XI, something I have been involved with for several years.

At the end of July 2009, I was involved in a conversation with a member of their staff in game, who informed me that a warning was being placed on my account but would not tell me what this was in relation to. I discovered a note would be placed about me on my account regarding this, and that the transcript of my conversation with them was also being recorded for their file. Unfortunately, this discussion was within the game, and it does not permit screenshots to be taken.

On the 11th August, I posted to Square Enix Ltd's London office a Subject Access Request. A copy of this letter has been attached for this, and I have also provided you with a post office receipt showing the tracking number and date of postage, along with their confirmation of the postcode the letter was being sent to. The letter was received on the 13th August 2009, and I have included a screenshot taken from the Royal Mail website as evidence that this was signed for.

As I had not received any form of acknowledgement, I contacted Square Enix Ltd on the 14th September through their webchat facility at www.playonline.com. I enclose a screenshot of this conversation, with their representative informing me they would not provide me with the information as it is private. I asked for this to be confirmed to me in a response to my letter, which has never arrived.

On the morning of the 23rd September, I received an email from an unnamed individual. They have referred to my Subject Access Request as a complaint, and again declined to give the information to me as it is not their policy to do so. They state the decision is final, and a screenshot of the email I received confirms this.

I am finding Square Enix Ltd to be most unhelpful in resolving this issue. They have yet to reply by post to my request, and the 40 day period has now expired. On my letter, I did not provide them with an email address for me to be contacted at.

The issue is distressing as I have no idea why the warning was made against my account and they refuse to explain. This is the reasoning for requesting the information they held relating to my account. There are several others having the same issue with Square Enix Ltd, although this is mainly being reported from The United States of America. I believe that Square Enix are in breach of The Data Protection Act 1998 and are refusing to comply with it when I have contacted them for information. I am given no reason over than "It is private" or "It's not our policy" when I have asked for information which I believe I am entitled to.

I hope that I have provided you with enough information. If you require further details, please let me know.


This is the statement I sent to the ICO.
#367 Oct 01 2009 at 10:25 PM Rating: Excellent
For anyone who wants to see what sort of response/treatment you get for speaking up and voicing a complaint here, have a look at the

"POL Horror: Reactivation without Notification" thread in this forum.

I feel for all of you who played for ages and then banned unfairly, as your treatment was far worse than what I got.

It's obvious companies like SE/POL have no conscience nor empathy.


Good luck to all of you who try to stand up for your rights.
#368 Oct 14 2009 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
Just looked on the ICO site, possibly going to be a long drawn out thing if I haven't heard from them shortly. Some cases if they're complex can take 180 days >.<
#369 Oct 19 2009 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
My CC recently expired (about 6 months ago) so I switched it to a debit card without any problems. However when they added the verification I discovered my bank did not use the 3d cards. So I got onto chat with SE and had no problem whatsoever. He simply did a manual bypass of the system. My brother also had no problems.

These bannings are ridiculous though. When I first started playing my brother and I had to share a computer but that was 5 years ago and now he's married and moved out. So I guess it's against the law now not to have 2 computers....

Edited, Oct 20th 2009 10:47pm by Shastal
#370 Oct 20 2009 at 5:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Never thought I'd see the day we'd need an informational sticky thread detailing for all the legitimate players how not to get banned.
#371 Oct 20 2009 at 9:48 PM Rating: Excellent
I have pots for gardening on my mule but i haven't done any in ages for fear of being banned. I'm not RMT. I despise them. But I hate having to go back to my MH everyday or worrying that I might be in a pt when its time to harvest. Much easier to let them know you need to go to a mule for two minutes and come back.
#372 Oct 22 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
Just an update:

Spoken to the ICO, they've confirmed SE are being investigated and that it's gone to a caseworker. Bad news is that it could be several months.

On their recommendation, I contacted SE when I finally found the new way of starting a webchat with them. Informed them that it's under investigation, given them the ICO reference number, and said that under no circumstance is any chat log to be deleted. Screenshot of that conversation, and dated, so they cannot deny this at all. They'll also get into a lot of bother if they do delete things now.
#373REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 9:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cool story, bro.
#374 Oct 27 2009 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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******** Saraaa wrote:

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Cool story, bro.

I do not know why so many people like to discuss with this simple sentence!


This is the biggest load of **** I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying something. Why don't you take your oh so clever internet meme and **** off to the asylum/oot forum where people can clap their hands at your astonishingly original wit, or better still, why don't you just **** off completely.

If you'd bothered to read the 8 pages of this thread you would see that several long standing players, many with good reputations had been banned, they thought unfairly, and they are unable to find out why, let alone get a satisfactory resolution to the problem.

So no, that's not a cool story, ********* not in the slightest. And no, I haven't been wooshed either, these are real people treated like ****.

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TaiStyle I watch this thread as I am in the UK too and am always being sent on courses re the data protection act. It seems like they have really dropped a ******* by not passing on your request to the data compliance officer in time.

Of course it won't get your character back, but I hope they get a hefty fine for treating you so ******** good luck!
#375 Nov 11 2009 at 12:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gee....I guess I picked a bad time to start playing again.

If I do end up getting banned and they expect me to play any further MMO they come out with then they can forget it.

Are they still making the bans or has it gone down? Either way, I hope Tai is at least able to get through to them.
#376 Nov 11 2009 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm not sure to be honest.

I'm going to speak to the ICO later this week for an update. In fact, I may call them today.

I've had to advise SE that they were not to delete any chatlogs relating to my account whilst the investigation was ongoing. I done so via their webchat facility and took a screenshot. If they do it now, they'll be in huge trouble.
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