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CBD you believe you were born with the instinct to be attracted to men. Do you want me to tell you that you are wrong, that in fact it is a choice. I'm telling you, that I could have been attracted to anyone. I simply did not find any men attractive. To this day, I still don't. I chose my girlfriend. Not because she was a girl. I chose her because I was very attracted to her and she is great to be around. Now, *hypothetically* if she were a man, I can't say whether or not I would be attracted to her. I can say, that with her personality, it would be hard not too. I mostly love her because of who she is not what she looks like (those are just a benefit. )

EDIT : Took something out, it sounded mean.

Edited, Tue Aug 10 22:49:14 2004 by Trinitee

Edited, double post...sorry, web browser is spitting up.

Edited, Tue Aug 10 23:03:20 2004 by Saboruto

Read the OP.

It has plenty to do with FFXI.

I've never heard that, ever. However, I HAVE heard of men who, for 40 or 50 years, refused to ACCEPT (for various reasons) that they are gay. But you could ask any of them and they would tell you that they've always wrestled with those "feelings", it's not something that you just wake up one morning and suddenly you're gay. Otherwise, I should expect that you heterosexuals would be living in the constant fear that you might suffer the same fate. People don't believe that. I very easily could have been one of those men, I could've spent my life married and trying to deny who I am to satisfy society and my religion and my family and all the expectations on me. But I refuse to. I shouldn't pretend to be something else to make others happy, I am ME. I am not your image of what I should be, and I refuse to play that game. That's why I'm so vocal about this issue, because I DO think it's unfair to be treated differently because of a fact about myself that I CANNOT change. I tried for a number of years, to the point that I was ready to take my own life rather than be such an "abomination", and then it occurred to me...WHY am I an abomination? Because someone else says so? I don't FEEL like an abomination, I really like who I am and what I stand for. So, I reject entirely that being gay is a choice, because why would people choose to suffer through the bias that society throws at us? I reject that it's a choice, because I TRIED to choose otherwise and as strong a person as I am I was unable to change it. I reject that it's a choice, because while the Bible may say it's wrong, the Bible is just a book written by men. If God were to come down from the heavens and start handing out a copy of HIS version of the Bible, I would have to agree with you. But God didn't write the bible, humans did. And humans mess up all the time on important things like this. Humans are naturally biased, prejudiced, and they fear what they do not understand. My hope is that by being vocal about it and sharing my experiences (some of which are incredibly personal and painful to have to even think about), I'll hopefully show others out there that I'm not the evil, immoral, corrupt, sick individual so many people try to make me out to be. I do nothing wrong by being in love because love is never wrong. I am a happy, mature, intelligent adult in a wonderful relationship with another mature, intelligent, sweet, wonderful adult. The fact that he has a ***** shouldn't make a bit of difference to anyone, because our love is just as good and valid and pure and rewarding as any male-female relationship.

My problem, though, is that it's unfair that I should have to fight so much harder to be acknowledged and given the respect I deserve. I shouldn't have to live in fear of what some bigot might decide to do to me. I shouldn't have to live in fear of the day when one or the other of us were to become incapacitated. I shouldn't have to live in fear of losing my job or my home or my friends or family on the basis of a fact I am powerless to change. I AM proud of who I am, and I'm proud of the fact that I have enough courage to fight every day to be treated the same as heterosexuals. But why should I have to fight so hard for what you already have? You guys often take for granted the rights you have; I don't have that luxury.

That would be the nature of conversation and debate. If you don't like it, you're always welcome to leave.

You're going ot, what you're talking about has nothing to do with this thread.

Pot...kettle...black...

We aren't discussing RL issues. Maybe you should:

1. Read the entire thread
2. Come back here, then post.

Maybe YOU should read the last few pages, the replies have nothing whatsoever to do with marriage in FFXI, it's about RL now and don't belong here.

Also, it would be appreciated if you would stop rating my posts down just because you don't like what I have to say. That's not the intended use of the karma system, and as I haven't rated you down I would appreciate the same courtesy.

Trinitee, thank you so much for joining the conversation. It's really been nice being able to read your views and try to understand your viewpoint. And I couldn't agree more with what you've just said: tolerance goes a LONG way in this world.

No, but I can do. I've been very respectful of everyone in this topic excluding the people who came in just to call everyone names. I've even rated a LOT of people up, on both sides of the issue, because of their well-thought-out responses and because they've done everything possible to present their opinions in a respectful way. But if you want to play karma wars, count me out. However, if you're not here to join the discussion then...why ARE you here?

I marked you down. Everyone was having a nice discussion until you came in to give us grief. I'e enjoyed reading this topic today and everyone has been very nice so you have no reason to complian. Sabo has a point though. Why are you here?

Then lemme just clarify something?

You're saying that you chose which gender you were physically attracted to?

I just don't want to be thinking something horribly different from what you're saying. >.>



Go ask the admin if he did. They can probably tell you that.

I however, am about to rate you down. You're the one who made this OT.

EDIT: And you're so mature as to right me down?

Edited, Tue Aug 10 23:25:26 2004 by CBD

Keep playing with the Karma, I'll play with it too