On the subject of in-game same-sex marriage....Follow

Have I, at ANY point, mentioned sex itself? My relationship with Max is a lot more than sex and I'll thank you to stop trying to trivialise it as "jollies". I'm not with him because he "gets me off", I'm with him because I love him and want to spend the rest of my life with him. This is a very common tactic, trying to turn it into an issue of "tawdry sexual liasons", and it's getting old. You want to know the truth? I haven't had any sort of sex in over six months. I don't LIKE sex, with either gender. I'm not a very sexual person. However, I AM a very emotional person and the entirety of my relationship with Max is based upon those emotions. So please stop calling it "getting my jollies".

Sex has everything to do with it actually. See, there is no homosexuality in an honest world. I'm willing to bet that an attractive, loving, caring, and incredibly intelligent woman wouldnt catch your eye because of your sexual preference. In a purely honest world you'd be bisexual and go to the first person who won you over. However, in all honesty I believe that the vast majority of the "gay community" are simply gay because they think its cool or gay sex is just what gets them off. My heart goes out to you if you have truly found love through your lifestyle choice but I believe you are in a minority of a minority which in best terms makes you a statistical anomoly.

The reality of the matter is there will always be those who do not accept what you do as normal. As much as you want it to be different it will never be so. Values have a lot to do with how this country is shaped. This country (Good ole US of A) isnt just some cesspool filled with eye of newt and a kittens paw. We're more of a nation that came together unified under common beliefs among all people. Be you Buddhist, Islamic, Hindu, or even Christian... At the end of the day we all want our families to live well and our society to reflect in the very least the fundamental basic values that hold us together. It's the people who believe nothing holds us together that tear us apart. Everyoen wants to rip through the system and get whatever benefits them out of it. It doesnt matter who they hurt or alienate to attain these goals they simply want it to be. I dont want to explain to my kids why Billy and Joey are making out in the park. Even worse, I dont want ot explain why Billy and Joey are making out on TV either! You can be as homosexual as the day is long. But please remember that there are people out there that don't want their families exposed to it. Sadly, MTV and likeminded networks have a vested interest in pissing off the sensibilities of the average person. After all, if it pisses off your parents it has to be cool. If they could bottle up homosexuality and sell it in the supermarket they would. We'll just have to settle for a hand full of activist judges to **** off our parents instead.

How naive do you really want your kids to be? Are you so desperate to bury their heads in the sand? And besides that, why is it then okay for Bobby and Jill to make out in the park, or on TV, or even have sex in the movies, but it's suddenly a horrible thing for two people of the SAME gender to so much as hold hands? It's a double-standard. Just admit it, you're being hypocritical.

There you go, turning it back into sex again. Just because your kid sees two women holding hands while walking down the sidewalk (a very common sight here in Wellington), you're not going to have to explain to him how lesbians have sex. Just say "they love each other" and be done with it. Or tell him they're circus freaks, whatever. But you can't expect them to not express their love for each other in such a casual way just because YOU'RE insecure. When your kid sees a guy and a girl kissing on TV are you going to say "Now see little Jimmy, after this they're going to go back to his apartment and knock bones. Do you know what that means?" If two people of the same sex holding hands or kissing immediately implies something carnal involving (as you so crudely put it) "tail pipes", then two people of the opposite sex imply something similar. Again, you're operating under a double-standard.

Edited, Mon Aug 9 19:39:23 2004 by Saboruto

EH?.... i didn't think this was possible... for male or female

Ha ha.


I think some of my "postmodern" friends have it right when they say there are no gender barriers and that we are all "bi-sexual" in some sort of way.


But I'm not really arguing for that. It very funny for one to think that "being honest" means that there are no pure homosexuals. Of course there are. And there always have been. It has been the case in history that, homosexuality had to be coupled with "regular life" or "regular society" so this sort of bi-sexuality argument could just be a cover. It was like that in Greece it was like that in Rome to a certain extent, it was like that in the flurishing gay sections of New York in the a 1920's. Is it sexual, well, yeah at the basis of it it is, but that's not the point. Saboruto stated that he actually loves his partner. It isn't to be cool or just for the sake of being different; some kids might do it to "be cool," but inherently, what's wrong with that? What are you afraid of?

I'm not gay, but I enjoy the company of my male friends. In a certain sense I am attracted to them. Sexually? No, not really. Do I find some men sexually attractive? Very few. The idea of gay sex really isn't that appealing to me. But do I think gays shouldn't have equal rights because, of some imaginary moral barrier that has to be "upheld?" That's ridiculous. Society determines gender roles from male and female and gay and straight; why to we force our little girls to play with dolls and our boys to play with trucks? Because we want them to be straight. And when they naturally deviate from what is commonly accepted as "girl" or "boy" we get all wierded out and start to panic because our kids may not be "normal." But the question is why? Why do we panic, because we want our bloodline to continue? Because we think its a sin? Because we really have no clue why we believe in our social morality that we have today?
The fact is that homosexuality doesn't corrupt. I can't see how it does. If we nurture our children to be free to make up their own minds, and tell them they have a right to do whatever it is they want (because they would have their informed opinion instead of someone telling them what's right and wrong), as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, I think we'd be better off.

That is one of the most offensive posts I have ever seen. How old are you? Do you even have kids? I am a parent, and I know "the talk" is going to be hard. But when my children see a man and a woman kissing and asks me about it, I'm not going to explain that they are going to have sex later. So why would I say that about a gay couple? It's incredibly immature of you to think that just because a couple is same-gender, all they ever do is have sex.

Yes, if the two penguins, Roy and Silo where truely honest, they to would go after the female penguins. But sadly they continue to lie to themselves and "have sex, while ignoring potential female mates." These penguins must "think its cool" to be gay.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

Even the most simplest form of Ethics demand that you give actual reasoning behind your homophobia and perception, as "because I said so" is not a valid statement in any way, shape, or form.

I don't get some of you guys. I'm not gay so it doesn't really affect me. But you know what? It doesn't affect you guys either. If they want to marry, how does that change anything for me? Like the original guy said, I can still get married to a girl, still raise a family & do all that. The only thing it would do is allow other people to become families too and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm Christian but I don't believe everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally. Even the song of Solomon is really a gay love story, and even in the bible many times they forgot to switch "he" with "she" when they tried to edit it, which is why it doesn't make much sense since it sounds like it's talking about a guy who is also a girl at the same time. The point is, I love God and I know that He is always right. We humans aren't, but if God created someone and made him gay or made her lesbian, He did not make a mistake and that's how that person is meant to be. There's a lot of evidence to show that it's biological, meaning that's the way God intended it. And who am I to question the will of my Lord? So I think maybe everyone should take a deep breath and calm down and try to look at the argument from each others' points of view.

Oh yeah, and hi everyone. Never posted before but I thought i might want to post in this topic.

I dont care about the sex! As I have already stated I agree with "What goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom" And what is so wrong with not wanting your kids exposed to sex of any type before they are old enough to have it? The only people who think my philosophy is wrong are the people that want to pass whatever wounds they've felt on to the next generation. Awareness sucks! I know what sex is and i still dont want to know. I'm 23 by the way. You can think my post is gross and profane all you want. However, you must also agree that the act itself is gross in profane. So for all of you who rate me down I look at that as sign of agreement on my point. However disgusted you are of that post I am equally disgusted with people who think my children need to be "aware" of their situation.

Edited, Mon Aug 9 20:00:02 2004 by Lefein

I expect you got rated down not for your opinion but for the crude way you presented it. "getting your jollies" and "out of his tailpipe" are a bit immature and unnecessary.

this is reminding me of the mining debate of long ago!, cept people are more understanding and not rating down and flaming because of only opinion.