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#152 Nov 18 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
xypin wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
RattyBatty wrote:
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I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?
Are you an invasive government?
Smiley: um
That avatar just screams invasive government.
Err, what? It's supposed to be rly ******* cute.

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 1:16pm by ThePsychoticOne
#153 Nov 18 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
xypin wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
RattyBatty wrote:
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I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?
Are you an invasive government?
Smiley: um
That avatar just screams invasive government.
Err, what? It's supposed to be rly @#%^ing cute.

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 1:16pm by ThePsychoticOne

Cuteness is the new face of oppression. Imagine that face in a dictator's suit shouting orders in the cutest voice you can think of. The world would be putty in the hands of that manipulator.
#154 Nov 18 2010 at 3:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cuteness is the new face of oppression. Imagine that face in a dictator's suit shouting orders in the cutest voice you can think of. The world would be putty in the hands of that manipulator.

I don't think chairman pikachu approves of your hate speech! Consider yourself whistle-blown, infidel.

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Doesn't matter what he did or said, if you ask SE for logs concerning yourself you should be given that information without having to fight for it.

+1

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 4:40pm by RattyBatty
#155 Nov 18 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Default
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TaiStyle wrote:
Peimei, it all stems back to about 18 months ago, when SE brought out the banhammer and banned several people who had done nothing wrong. When they called the POL helpdesk, they were told it was due to "irregular activity" and to submit a ban complaint if they wanted their account back. SE at no stage would release to those affected exactly what they meant, and a lot of it was left to guesswork.

If SE was more open, which they should be, they would have more respect from their customers. All it takes is for them to say "We banned you for this because we noticed this this and this". By just saying irregular activity and not detailing it, it was causing distress for a lot of people. Admittedly, most of those affected were in North America. I opted to push for it under UK law, in the hope that SE would change their ways worldwise. That's the long term goal, whether it will happen I have no idea. But dealing with it the way I did gets their attention. It might even make a few others be aware of it. And the more awareness of how things are currently, the worse they look. If they look too bad, people will avoid them, which in turn will lower profits and annoy shareholders.

By dealing with this, I'm hoping that Square Enix will start paying more attention to customers. I've nothing against those banned for genuine reasons, but I do against those who get banned through no fault of their own.

I completely understand your point but in all honesty how many people that got banned don't know EXACTLY what they did? Don't answer that because there is no way you could prove it. SE doesn't give a **** about its customers and it still makes money. That's the bottom line. If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
#156 Nov 18 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
Peimei wrote:
If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
It's perfectly within their right to ban anyone for no reason at all. They could pick a list of names with random.org and ban them if they really want to. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
#157 Nov 18 2010 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
It's perfectly within their right to ban anyone for no reason at all. They could pick a list of names with random.org and ban them if they really want to. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Thats pretty much my point I think
#158 Nov 18 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
Peimei wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
It's perfectly within their right to ban anyone for no reason at all. They could pick a list of names with random.org and ban them if they really want to. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
Thats pretty much my point I think
Oh? Then the whole nail them to the wall thing threw me off.
#159 Nov 18 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
It's perfectly within their right to ban anyone for no reason at all. They could pick a list of names with random.org and ban them if they really want to. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
Thats pretty much my point I think
Oh? Then the whole nail them to the wall thing threw me off.

I never said he would succeed in it just that it was justified. I'm fully aware that SE is not a body that can be held accountable for any of its actions (Thanx capitalism, thanks alot) But if it makes you feel good then by all means.
#160 Nov 18 2010 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Peimei wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
If you were honestly banned for no reason then by all means nail them to the wall but I wont believe that is the case cause its far more likely that you were banned for a valid reason.
It's perfectly within their right to ban anyone for no reason at all. They could pick a list of names with random.org and ban them if they really want to. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
Thats pretty much my point I think
Oh? Then the whole nail them to the wall thing threw me off.
I never said he would succeed in it just that it was justified. I'm fully aware that SE is not a body that can be held accountable for any of its actions (Thanx capitalism, thanks alot) But if it makes you feel good then by all means.
And yet, people continue to buy Square products and continue to fund their online games to where they can continue these practices. So ... Thanks consumer *****, thanks a lot.
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#161 Nov 19 2010 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
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lolgaxe wrote:
Peimei wrote:
I'm fully aware that SE is not a body that can be held accountable for any of its actions (Thanx capitalism, thanks alot) But if it makes you feel good then by all means.
And yet, people continue to buy Square products and continue to fund their online games to where they can continue these practices. So ... Thanks consumer *****, thanks a lot.


What really gets me is lolgaxe continues my thought and gets rated up while my post gets rated down. I know the whole karma thing is pointless but in this instance it clearly shows how simple some of the people on here are.

Also Bruce Campbell was a much better Avatar for you Lolgaxe.
#162 Nov 19 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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What really gets me is lolgaxe continues my thought and gets rated up while my post gets rated down. I know the whole karma thing is pointless but in this instance it clearly shows how simple some of the people on here are.


First rule of karma is to not talk about figh...err...karma.

#163 Nov 19 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
Peimei wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Peimei wrote:
I'm fully aware that SE is not a body that can be held accountable for any of its actions (Thanx capitalism, thanks alot) But if it makes you feel good then by all means.
And yet, people continue to buy Square products and continue to fund their online games to where they can continue these practices. So ... Thanks consumer *****, thanks a lot.
What really gets me is lolgaxe continues my thought and gets rated up while my post gets rated down.
Pretty sure he was saying the opposite of what you said. Ya know, about the whole capitalism thing. And just thought you should know, i rated down both of these posts, and rated lolgaxe up, just for this post~
#164 Nov 19 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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First rule of karma is to not talk about figh...err...karma.

Taking this rule seriously is sadder than caring about karma... just sayin' :o
#165 Nov 19 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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This forum is like bashing your head against a wall sometimes.
#166 Nov 19 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
Peimei wrote:
Smiley: banghead
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Edited, Nov 19th 2010 6:55pm by ThePsychoticOne
#167 Nov 19 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Peimei wrote:
Smiley: banghead


Edited, Nov 19th 2010 6:55pm by ThePsychoticOne

Thank you for that.
#168 Nov 20 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
There is an argument though that, if SE opt to ban for any reason at all, it would be classed as an unfair contract term which again is illegal here in the UK. SE is required to comply with the law of whatever company they do business in.

I'm not banned though, as I've mentioned.
#169 Nov 20 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
TaiStyle wrote:
There is an argument though that, if SE opt to ban for any reason at all, it would be classed as an unfair contract term which again is illegal here in the UK. SE is required to comply with the law of whatever company they do business in.

I'm not banned though, as I've mentioned.
Being able to refuse service to anyone for any or no reason is pretty standard for all businesses.
#170 Nov 20 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
#171 Nov 20 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Default
TaiStyle wrote:
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
It's really not. They aren't required to provide a service to anyone. They don't need a reason to refuse service to someone.
#172 Nov 20 2010 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
TaiStyle wrote:
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
It's really not. They aren't required to provide a service to anyone. They don't need a reason to refuse service to someone.


But they would have to issue a pro-rata refund for the days in which service was not provided. :)
#173 Nov 21 2010 at 12:34 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
TaiStyle wrote:
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
It's really not. They aren't required to provide a service to anyone. They don't need a reason to refuse service to someone.


Actually if local law stated that they could not refuse service then they would have to either comply with that law in regards to customers in that country or not do business there.

Edited, Nov 21st 2010 2:36am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#174 Nov 21 2010 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
Lobivopis wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
TaiStyle wrote:
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
It's really not. They aren't required to provide a service to anyone. They don't need a reason to refuse service to someone.
Actually if local law stated that they could not refuse service then they would have to either comply with that law in regards to customers in that country or not do business there.
I'm afraid i'm not an expert on global laws. Could you give an example of places with such laws?

Edited, Nov 21st 2010 3:47am by ThePsychoticOne
#175 Nov 21 2010 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
TaiStyle wrote:
However, I think there's an argument for the fact that service has been provided and agreed previously. It's a bit of a murky area in fairness.
It's really not. They aren't required to provide a service to anyone. They don't need a reason to refuse service to someone.
Actually if local law stated that they could not refuse service then they would have to either comply with that law in regards to customers in that country or not do business there.
I'm afraid i'm not an expert on global laws. Could you give an example of places with such laws?

Edited, Nov 21st 2010 3:47am by ThePsychoticOne


I can give you an example in the States. Gentleman's clubs can't exclude women from membership anymore thanks to gender discrimination laws.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#176 Nov 21 2010 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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And yet, people continue to buy Square products and continue to fund their online games to where they can continue these practices. So ... Thanks consumer *****, thanks a lot.


I think XIV's popularity kind of display consumers opinion about their MMO business. People stick with XI both because of invested time and because it still is the best FF MMO out there (out of two crappy ones)
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