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#127 Nov 16 2010 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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RattyBatty wrote:
When exactly did this turn against the OP?

When people got a sniff of something they could shoot him down for. Unfortunately, one of the most reliable habits of humans is to shoot the crap out of anyone who sticks their neck out.

Is Tai right or wrong? Who knows. In cases like this the only people who know the truth are the ones who were there (and half of the time they delude themselves into believing that they got crapped on anyway). I'm inclined to believe that in the case of the -ga farming, he was minding his own business and not griefing. Sadly, many people don't even think to ask a person what they're up to before bleating to a teacher about some other kid taking their candy.

I got talked to by a GM for holding a possible JeJ placeholder for 5 minutes to see if it was the real PH, when all of the players that I could see had moved away (old OCD personal mission to get that drop, even though I could just buy it; it was the last of those NMs that I hadn't 'beaten'). Both my seacom and bazaar said [Notorious Monster] [Rabbit] [/tell] [You can have this], but that didn't matter.

TaiStyle wrote:
This would be the reason I've got argumentative with the GM, as I wasn't there as a means of griefing.

As soon as you're argumentative with someone in a position of authority, you lose. It doesn't matter whether you're wrong or right. Situational: thinking required

As Keylin said, SE is running their own private playground and the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 doesn't mean squat. Same as a nightclub or pub; if they don't like you, you lose.

That said, SE in general has had such a habit of ignoring players that I would like to see Tai do what he set out to do.


Edited, Nov 16th 2010 2:37pm by Gnaal
#128 Nov 16 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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in regards to -ga farming I have also been jailed for this numerous times. According to the GM's I am supposed to give up my solo area when a group of adventurers arrive. I called ******** and ******* the guy ou about how stupid that was. I then became the proud owner of a 3 day ban, not for the act itself but because I argued a GM's decision.
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#129 Nov 16 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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TaiStyle wrote:
From speaking to the ICO, it seems that they have different information to what SE sent me. Unfortunately, the ICO have now done all they can, and any action would need to be sorted in a legal route from this point.

I'm going to query it with SE in writing, but I think it may be about over now.


So as it turns out they can ignore the ICO?
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#130 Nov 16 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
It's probably too small a case for them to enforce harder.

The ICO did mention small claims court, so I think they think there is a case. It's a case of thinking now.
#131 Nov 16 2010 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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RattyBatty wrote:
When exactly did this turn against the OP? Suddenly people are saying he was being white trash etc, while I still see no evidence of exactly what it was he said or did. Just because the report says he was harassing people, it goes in not nearly enough detail to assume whether it was true or just the story of the GM caller...

I'm just sayin, to the guy calling him a troll, maybe you're the one trolling the thread. This guy seems to be staying pretty cool headed towards your attacks, which makes him look less like the troll here. I'm not sure anymore who's the 'bad guy' now, but I continue to watch the outcome of this tale with interest.


I can vouch for the accuracy of SEs claim for the harassment. I was in the Besieged the day he was being a douche and saying some nasty things about 9/11. This was not just one comment or off color remark but a conversation throughout besieged which he provoked. SE should not have to provide you with anything, you know exactly what you did to get banned Tai.
#132 Nov 16 2010 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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I can vouch for the accuracy of SEs claim for the harassment. I was in the Besieged the day he was being a douche and saying some nasty things about 9/11. This was not just one comment or off color remark but a conversation throughout besieged which he provoked. SE should not have to provide you with anything, you know exactly what you did to get banned Tai.


TaiStyle wrote:
The way the dates appear for me on the documents sent are dd/mm/yyyy, so it would be the 9th November.


Liar, liar, pants on fire ISystemXI.

Lets assume though you didn't lie just now, and that there was a conversation in Besieged. Who gives a flying flip? Blacklist the guy, turn off shout, ignore him, debate him. Just because he says something that's wrong or controversial is no reason to ban him or put a violation on his account. Everyone's so touchy jeez.
#133 Nov 16 2010 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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ISystemXI wrote:
I can vouch for the accuracy of SEs claim for the harassment. I was in the Besieged the day he was being a douche and saying some nasty things about 9/11. This was not just one comment or off color remark but a conversation throughout besieged which he provoked. SE should not have to provide you with anything, you know exactly what you did to get banned Tai.


TaiStyle wrote:
The way the dates appear for me on the documents sent are dd/mm/yyyy, so it would be the 9th November.
Liar, liar, pants on fire ISystemXI.

Lets assume though you didn't lie just now, and that there was a conversation in Besieged. Who gives a flying flip? Blacklist the guy, turn off shout, ignore him, debate him. Just because he says something that's wrong or controversial is no reason to ban him or put a violation on his account. Everyone's so touchy jeez.
ITT: it's impossible to talk about 9/11 on any day except 9/11.
#134 Nov 16 2010 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
Impossible? No.

Improbable? Yes.

It's been almost 10 years now, and usually the only time you ever talk about 9/11 is either in a political discourse about National Security, conspiracy theories, or on/near 9/11. So I admit to call him a liar is a bit rash.
#135 Nov 16 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Good
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Nevermind. I should not post and play FFXI at the same time...

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 11:50pm by xypin
#136 Nov 17 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
xypin wrote:
Nevermind. I should not post and play FFXI at the same time...
Why not? Smiley: dubious
#137 Nov 17 2010 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
xypin wrote:
Nevermind. I should not post and play FFXI at the same time...
Why not? Smiley: dubious
Typed up a response, but forgot to hit "post" and was distracted by my linkshell. Came back, hit post after realizing I forgot to... and everyone had already covered what I was going to say.
#138 Nov 17 2010 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
Honestly, I have no recollection of saying anything of the sort. SE's own date logs do indicate 9th November, so there would be the need for:

A - The subject to be brought up
B - Me to come up with something to comment, which in fairness I would remember as my memory is crystal clear.

Secondly, I'm not banned. They were warnings, as I've stated. I'm still active on Cerberus, however I was forced into a name change on the merge as Taiko was already taken.

I had a nose at Solace on FFXIAH, and do not recognise you. However, I did note you had several connections to a linkshell I spoke out against several years ago. I'm not saying that impairs your judgement, but I wonder, given what is known and the evidence provided by SE, where that has came from.

#139 Nov 17 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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which in fairness I would remember as my memory is crystal clear.
lol. You should do some research on memory.

Edited, Nov 17th 2010 2:16pm by ThePsychoticOne
#140 Nov 17 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Dynas wrote:
ISystemXI wrote:
I can vouch for the accuracy of SEs claim for the harassment. I was in the Besieged the day he was being a douche and saying some nasty things about 9/11. This was not just one comment or off color remark but a conversation throughout besieged which he provoked. SE should not have to provide you with anything, you know exactly what you did to get banned Tai.


TaiStyle wrote:
The way the dates appear for me on the documents sent are dd/mm/yyyy, so it would be the 9th November.


Liar, liar, pants on fire ISystemXI.

Lets assume though you didn't lie just now, and that there was a conversation in Besieged. Who gives a flying flip? Blacklist the guy, turn off shout, ignore him, debate him. Just because he says something that's wrong or controversial is no reason to ban him or put a violation on his account. Everyone's so touchy jeez.


The subject matter not the date of the conversation....lol.

To Tai. I have never heard your name mentioned from any of my friends or LS mates. I was there. I saw what was said and remember getting pretty pissed about it. I did blist you that day. I find it amusing that you are so cocky as to put the burden of proof of what you said on everyone but yourself. Sadly, I wish I had some logs to contribute.
#141 Nov 17 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Sadly, I wish I had some logs to contribute.
I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?
#142 Nov 17 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?

Are you a corporation and/or an invasive government?
#143 Nov 17 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
ISystemXI wrote:
Sadly, I wish I had some logs to contribute.
I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?


i've got logs from every time i played on my desktop going back to late 2006.
#144Kragorn, Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 6:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So, basically you were a douche by -ga nuking/farming preventing others being able to claim mobs and got reported, then chose to back-talk to a GM and talked yourself into a warning .. and you're here to get sympathy?
#145 Nov 18 2010 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't matter what he did or said, if you ask SE for logs concerning yourself you should be given that information without having to fight for it.
#146 Nov 18 2010 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
Not sure where it was I was looking to gain sympathy. If you read from the start of the thread, and all the history, I was looking to make SE be more open with these things.
#147 Nov 18 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Default
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Why should they be more open?
#148 Nov 18 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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To continue the on topic ****. Whether Tai did or did not rant about 9/11 is of little consequence and redundant. He asked to have the logs given to him, which should have happened regardless. On the side debate, even if he was saying nasty things there is no reason he should be punished there is in game tools to prevent this from affecting people. They can blist him or block shout. There is no reason to receive warnings for this. Infact recently I was taken to GM jail for saying some very nasty things to a party who decided they would come to Ley Point @ 60 and camp on top of our level 56 party. I used every word in the book and singled out a couple people I knew and really laid into them. While in jail I told the GM that all they had to do was blist me or block say. Within 5 minutes I was back @ leypoint with my party wit no warning or anything. The GM agreed that I had done nothing against the service agreement that was not preventable.

Then again I did not argue with why I was sent to jail I knew I was being a ****, and got called on it. I think in Tai's case if this was the reason it was more likely he argued with the GM rather than take his 5 minute punishment.
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#149 Nov 18 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
Peimei, it all stems back to about 18 months ago, when SE brought out the banhammer and banned several people who had done nothing wrong. When they called the POL helpdesk, they were told it was due to "irregular activity" and to submit a ban complaint if they wanted their account back. SE at no stage would release to those affected exactly what they meant, and a lot of it was left to guesswork.

If SE was more open, which they should be, they would have more respect from their customers. All it takes is for them to say "We banned you for this because we noticed this this and this". By just saying irregular activity and not detailing it, it was causing distress for a lot of people. Admittedly, most of those affected were in North America. I opted to push for it under UK law, in the hope that SE would change their ways worldwise. That's the long term goal, whether it will happen I have no idea. But dealing with it the way I did gets their attention. It might even make a few others be aware of it. And the more awareness of how things are currently, the worse they look. If they look too bad, people will avoid them, which in turn will lower profits and annoy shareholders.

By dealing with this, I'm hoping that Square Enix will start paying more attention to customers. I've nothing against those banned for genuine reasons, but I do against those who get banned through no fault of their own.
#150 Nov 18 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?
Are you an invasive government?
Smiley: um
#151 Nov 18 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
RattyBatty wrote:
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I've got every chat log, including from bazaar mules, going back to early 2007. Is this not normal?
Are you an invasive government?
Smiley: um
That avatar just screams invasive government.
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