Warning to Players SE is STILL Banning!Follow

No one has insulted you or called you names lolgaxe. Who and what you are is well known on this board. If the terms used to describe you are less than flattering it doesn't make them any less true.

And you know perfectly well who I am. I'm the guy who called you out last time on your rudeness and bad attitude when you insulted everyone in a thread. You got so upset at the mass rate downs that ensued you complained to an admin and asked for a rate sock check. How's that coming along by the way?



I'm not angry at anyone. I haven't been banned. I've just finished a good party. SE hasn't done anything to me.

My judgement is perfectly sound - it's not difficult to make a simple observation.

The player base asked for a fix to be made to the RMT problem. SE's answer was to install some crappy automated software that just bans
en masse anyone who fits wide criteria. Result? The RMT problem is as bad as it was before but now loads of innocent people have been banned as well. Summary - SE totally failed to address the problem successfully and has made things worse.

That's the situation.

You come across as some weird little SE fanboy. "Poor SE, being badgered by the nasty paying customers for years about the RMT problem". Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

If SE has a problem with RMT, creating rubbish software that bans decent honest customers doesn't benefit anyone, not players or SE themselves. It just makes the situation worse, much worse.

Under no circumstance are players to blame for the fact SE can't address a problem without ******** it up and making things worse.

As usual lolgaxe, any thread with you in it is just a case of you saying something and trying to make out that anyone who doesn't agree with you has something wrong with them. Which is why you are rarely, if ever, taken seriously in anything you say.

lolgaxe, you believe in YOUR reality, (as always) as opposed to the actual one the rest of us live in.



lolgaxe, if everyone says 2 plus 2 equals 4, they are right. Saying it's 5 just to be different doesn't make you a better person.



How can I have the hidden agenda to make you out to be a jerk? Lobi has already pointed out you are, as do at least 2 or 3 people in every long thread you post in. I didn't give you your circle jerk moron reputation. You've had it long before you met me.

People are disagreeing with you, not because of a hidden agenda, but because you're talking crap. As normal, you can't bear the fact everyone doesn't agree with you, so you try and make out there's something wrong with them. You do it all the time.



The bannings are as a result of poor automated software. What's hard to understand about that?



lolgaxe, you need to stop going to the Jinte school of how to talk to people on the web. All you've done all thread is try to tell me how you've made me feel and what you've done to me, to try and make yourself sound powerful or something.

You've done nothing to me other than re-enforce my dislike of you as a person and highlight to everyone else why you have your CJM reputation.



I don't think SE are an evil empire. I think they are an incompetent and foolish one. Their behaviour has lost them many paying customers and will cost them many more in those who refuse to play FFXIV as a result of this.

And lolgaxe, get some sort of psychiatric help. If people disagree with you on a website, especially when you talk nonsense, they don't have a 'vendetta' against you. They just don't agree with what you're saying.

Once again you illustrate your well known mentality whereby you think whatever you believe is the truth and anyone who disagrees with you has problems or has it in for you.

One can only hope your little girl takes after her mother. With half your genes, she's already off to a rough start in life. You might want to buy her a waterproof helmet for protection for when she starts school.

Everyone please, we need SE to see this thread and understand what is going on and hope that maybe someone will come and take care of all of us.

Please no more flamefests. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, I honestly love seeing both sides of the picture.

All of you honestly have great insights to everything thats happened. It's kinda true after the countless GM calls I made and the countless letters I wrote that I might have been part of the cause of why the STF made such a horrible drastic move to try and solve the problem. Everyone here agrees their method is less then practical relying on a script to do their job and resulting in so many people innocent of any foul play banned.

But on the other hand, they needed to stop the script on first notice that it was banning the wrong people and causing widespread panic and paranoia. The reason why I'm even here fighting my case isn't because I even care much for the game anymore, it's because its flat out wrong what they did to all of us that was banned and SOMEONE needs to listen.

I really appreciate all of you for joining this conversation and honestly looking at all the posts you are all in support of us getting our accounts back. For this a huge thank you comes from myself and hopefully those that don't mind me representing them to some degree.

The only other thing I can say is, I don't want to see SE suddenly unbanning everyone all at once at this point either. There might have been some rmt accounts that were caught in this mess, and its in the interest of everyone of our servers that these rmt accounts don't get away and suddenly "run off with loot" if they were suddenly given the oppurtunity to do so.

My only wish is SE sees this and seriously take into consideration on changing their methods and begin getting in contact with their "paying" customers. Just slapping final fantasy on a game isn't a good reason for why you should be mistreating your customers. I'm going to bet that majority here will agree your best Final Fantasy was VI (6) and we continue to show our support by buying and subscribing to all your games. It's important that SE understands every single paying customer is important to their business, especially in this time of recession.

Hope you all had a great night! I went to Disneyland to cool off lol. <3

I've said everything I have to say. I won't post in the thread again.

Several posters have stated that somehow the players deserve this trouble because we expressed our huge dissatisfaction when SE was not really doing anything about very obvious rmt activities. The fact is SE has a long history in this game of NOT TAKING CARE OF IMPORTANT BUSINESS.

What the recent bannings of legitimate players really shows is that SE completely fails at customor support now, as well as in the past. For quite a few months SE seemed to be getting things under control with the stf with many bannings but no outcry from players.

SE is too f#cking lazy to continue to do a good job with rmt. They are obviously relying on software to identify and automatically ban people. There are many things we know about SE and lets consider them:

1. SE is very conservative with their game

2. The are a Japanese corporation and have the good and bad aspects of that corprate mindset; A) they are loathe to admit any error, B) they are very reluctant to take outside advice, C) saving face is very important

3. SE has a really terrible attitude about communicating with their customors about their product.

4. Their customor service is worse than the operators of soviet era airlines.

None of the aforementioned problems are going to magically disappear with the release of ffxiv. In Asian culture, business relations are very tight and they do not like any advice from outsiders, period, end of story. There can be no question that Asian culture produces really savvy and successful business people but the culture of SE is not going to change. The constant aggravation of SE never or rarely addressing player needs is just not going to change.

I strongly suspect that SE addressing some player issues is simply because ffxi is near the end of its life cycle, they dont care so much about it anymore and are preoccupied with ffxiv.

Now I really enjoy the ff series and they have developed a great set of products, but I do not believe that they will remedy the serious problems described above. I am more and more leaning toward sticking with ffxi until it dies or i am banned for some bs reason.

Afterwards I think I will look around pretty thoroughly before subscribing to ffxiv. There horrible attitude toward players needs to meet a brickwall head on at 60 mph with no helmet on. They really do not deserve the loyalty that they receive from their subscribers, fans, etc.

How do you figure?

We the community have asked SE to deal with the RMT for years and finally they have done just that. However, a few glitches have cropped up and instead of patiently understanding the issue, people rather jump to conclusions that SE doesn't care or test their systems. I think if anything, the lack of communication with the JP main office really hurts this kind of understanding. Think about it people, why would SE ***** up now with FFXIV right around the corner? If anything, SE hopes to curb RMT behavior and mistakes with their system for the future. For example, SE stated that POL will be retired and a new billing system will be used because of these problems.

So let's see a show of hands of players that would be ok with these glitches if SE only announced them instead of keeping us in the dark until the hate mail explodes. Quite frankly it's not good business sense to not have better communication or a 1-800 number for that matter. If you get a LM-17 for a gardening or CC mistake, just relax and be patient. Sooner or later, SE will address the ban issue just like they addressed the enfeebling glitch.

In closing, I don't think destroyed their player as of yet. I do think that SE is desperately trying to eliminate the RMT threat. The brogames /tells are quite annoying and I can't fault SE for looking for patterns. Players know by word of mouth what not to do in this game. So I seriously don't see a reason for most of these LM-17's. Chargebacks ok, but everything no.

This doesn't sound right, I've been accessing FFXI across a range of IPs for ages (Old uni house, new uni house, friend's houses, home). I probably have 4 different IPs against my account from the last month or so.

If SE is using this as a criteria, then they're not banning exclusively based on it.

SE only addressed the enfeebling glitch publicly because of the uproar from the community, including editorials from admins on the front page of Premiere Sites. Patiently waiting for them to address a problem just doesn't work with this company.

Plus, a player with a single account and no mules who has been playing since release has poured over $1000 into the game at this point. In many cases, that also adds up to around a full year of at-the-computer playtime. If all that is permabanned one day with the only explanation being 'RMT Activity' (and you hadn't done any such thing), I daresay that "relax and be patient" isn't going to be near the top of the to-do list.

On top of all that, the account was banned just after the first of the month, so in addition to losing your account and having friends and acquaintances suspect you cheated, you're still paying SE for the month.

You'd really take comfort in the fact that SE will get around to your problem "sooner or later"?

I have never been banned, suspended, or even had a GM speak to me about something I've done. I have had lots of problems with RMT blocking my ability to do stuff I enjoy, such as sky or even Dynamis (back when they attempted to spam the zones to get coins). I've had my crafting profits destroyed because RMT can spam synths and be happy with 5 gil profits.

While I know that some people will be caught by automated programmes I don't think that people who play with enough randomness, which should really be anyone who is not RMT, that they won't get banned and/or suspended.

I think everyone is forgetting the screaming and yelling we all did when SE refused to do anything at all about RMTs. This is better for everyone overall, even if a couple honest people are caught in the sweeps.

I don't know anyone from my linkshell that was suspended or banned for playing honestly, although they often attempt to make it seem like this. It always comes out that they were, in fact, doing something a bit shady.

I didn't receive a ban this month but last month I had to call their 'customer support' (if you even want to call it that) hotline to reactivate my account due to the chargeback ******** they've been trying to pull on everyone. Then I had to put up with the headache of changing credit card information at the beginning of this month.

I'm sick of seeing people getting banned when they've done nothing wrong. I'm sick of seeing countless reports about SE's ****** customer service. I'm sick of SE.

I've played this game for 6 years like many others, supporting SE even in their darkest hours. But this is where I draw the line. I refuse to put up with this kind of abusive customer treatment. Over the past few months I've come to realize just what SE is all about and how out of touch they are with their playerbase.

None of us should have to deal with this...but most of us put up with it because we are addicted to FFXI. I know I am only one customer and it is only $15 (which isn't much in SE's eyes) but I refuse to help SE turn FFXI into a catastrophic mess.

I would've liked a better ending than this... but I quit (no, you can't have my stuff). I hope others find the strength to beat the addiction and send SE the message that their playerbase will not accept this abusive relationship any longer.

OK, this combined with my having grown chocobo food in the past (for Bazaaring mind you, not NPC'd), is really starting to make me nervous. Especially since I also tend to go to a friend's house with my laptop and play there too, as does another friend of mine (he doesn't garden or craft or anything though).

Haven't even started a gardening cycle since this crap started and I'm starting to wonder if choco digging's even worth my time anymore.

If not for my friends playing, I might've said to hell with the Apocalypse project and quit by now. The player base doesn't need this stress, RL stuff is bad enough.

You know... I'm beginning to wonder if some or most of the STF got laid off and they started relying heavily on the RMT-PWNER and like tools now... this is merely speculation on my part but still a valid question.