On the subject of in-game same-sex marriage....Follow

My only thoughts on this are that we accepted the terms and agreements of S-E when choosing to be active players in their world. As such, if the world our characters lives in doesn't permit same-sex marriages, then that's the reality we need to live with. I do not disagree with what you are saying, but my roleplaying nature accepts the limitations of the world I play. Will I get married in game? Probably not. But with so many people playing the opposite sex, I wouldn't be surprised if two men ended up together in game! Feel the mithra-taru love!

I cant believe this is even being talked about, they wanted marriage to be normal, you cant have two grooms it just looks weird, they made the dress special and everything, so one can choose to be female ITS A GAME, you'll go great together, YaY we're happy.

How is it weird for there to be two grooms? Marriage is, IMO, supposed to be a way for two people to express their love for each other, and tell the other person they want to spend the rest of their life with them.

Why should they have to make a new character and level it to 20 just to express that love they feel, if heterosexuals don't?

most of the mithra are played by male players... i think you will get the picture.

So you've done a survey and discovered that most mithra are female characters?

Gee, that's a surprise to me, and to a lot of people I know.

Also, I don't get the picture. Male playing mithra != someone leveling a char to have a "same-sex" marriage.

This is a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you can't understand that, you need professional help.



I'm sorry if that's rude, but it's the cold hard truth. Games have rules, play by them, or don't play it. I'm not a homophobe, but I'm not sympathetic to stupid causes (ie. ONOZ I CAN'T E-MARRY MY SIG. OTHER'S GALKA, REBEL!).


Rate me down, but sorry if logical thinking is too much for you.

just speaking from my experience, 85% of mithra i know are played by male irl, including myself. that means we can't get married to female characters that played by female irl. also, since there is cross-race marriage, like galka with a taru, i don't see anything wrong with mithra and female hume.

Ok, I thought that you were saying something else. Apoligies.

This is a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you can't understand that, you need professional help.

I'm sorry if that's rude, but it's the cold hard truth. Games have rules, play by them, or don't play it. I'm not a homophobe, but I'm not sympathetic to stupid causes (ie. ONOZ I CAN'T E-MARRY MY SIG. OTHER'S GALKA, REBEL!).

Rate me down, but sorry if logical thinking is too much for you.


I'm going to rate you down, but not for you opinion. It was the way you gave your opinion. You have no tact.

If SE didn't allow opposite-sex marriage, you wouldn't sit there 'just dealing with it.' It's not a matter of logical thinking, it's a matter of rights.

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A while ago, I read somewhere (and this was a reliable source) that homosexualtity is caused by the brain, as in it's there from birth.

How could God hate homosexuals for something that isn't their fault? Last time I asked someone this, they said that homosexuals had the choice to marry a female and pretend they are hetero, but that dosen't change the fact that they are still homosexual, and that supposedly God hates homosexuality.


Murder could also be considered a dysfunction of the brain as a result from some defect even from birth. People plead insanity all the time.

Im sorry someone once told you that, but maybe you should look up what the bible says yourself if you dont believe them or me. Love is more than an emotion, it is a matter of the will. Just because you may even have a condition that causes you to do certain things doesnt excuse you if those things are bad. You are still responsible for your actions.

2 kids at birth undergoing the same traumas in life, can still come out completely different on how they view life. One could easily be hetero and the other ****.

However the bible mentions that we are in a fallen state of sin since birth. Please note that what I am saying is that God doesnt hate the homosexual, he hates the homosexuality. If you refuse to forgo being a homosexual, or give up doing any other sin, then you stand in the condemnation of God's law according to Scripture. It is no different for the theif, the liar, or the adulturer. They are all condemned as well, and their sin is just as accountable under God's law.

The question i think your getting at is really more along the lines of well why should we be held accountable for what Adam did? The bible teaches that in Adam we all fell. That sin entered this world when he screwd up and disobeyed God wanting his own independence. Many places in the bible you will find where the many suffer because one guy sinned. Alot of times in life the whole class room suffers when one kid disobeys the teacher. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch as the saying goes. He was the representative of man, and in his falling so did the world. It never seems fair to us, but then again if the Bible is true, we dont deserve a Savior either.

The only true right any man ever on this planet has, is to go to hell.

Yet that is what the beauty of the gospel is, is that God has provided his own Son as a payment for those who will have faith in his death on a cross. A death that paid which we cannot, becaues he lived a perfect life.
God hates sin, period. He gives the law to the proud, but to the humble he gives grace.

Although I'm tempted to do otherwise, I'm going to respond respectfully to your post. If I'm not mistaken, aren't there more references to the evils of non-reproductive sex of heterosexuals? Yet, the beyond mass majority of the world and America do it anyway. Hmm...

Think about what I say first? Ok, maybe you missed what my intentions were with that quote, which was in fact an agument I had with my old high school english teacher. I was trying to convey how humanity never learns from our fear and discrimination of the unknown. Anything defferent or something the deviates from the norm, is considered evil, wrong, and must be destroyed or shoved into the shadows away from conservative eyes. I have never known the extent of what Saboruto has gone though, being a bisexual male isn't hated as much for some reason...here in Orlando at least. However, having quite a few gay friends, (both male and female) I do understand how important it is to have them fully accepted by the mainstream community, and be welcomed with open arms just like everyone else, no matter where they happen to be: A restuarant, a store, with their families, walking down the street, and yes.. even in video games. Especially in MMORPG's, where yes it "is just a game", but wherein exists an underlying community in FFXI. Just as in a fourum, such as this, and any other place where people gather and discuss topics or just hang out to have fun, a community is born. And this community should be unbiased and welcoming to anyone who happens to join.

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Ok, i just woke up and felt the need to respond to my quote that
someone dissected earlier.

edited: again, for spelling..it's early for me..

Edited, Mon Aug 9 11:35:09 2004 by PixelFiend

Edited, Mon Aug 9 11:39:52 2004 by PixelFiend

Canada is 65% in favor of gay marriage.

Netherland well... try a guess ;P

Mostly all religions are against gay marriage because of one belief that is present in most of them, i.e. "You need to reproduce". So most religious cultures are against it. The most extremist religion toward them are Islam and Voodooism though. The religious based Islamic governments simply execute homosexuals, while voodooism socially isolate them.

Most saxons culture are against it.

Most latins culture are for it (except Italians, but then Roma is close which explain it). In ancient Greece, the citizens' children would get sexually educated i na very unique way. Young girls were sent to an island (I forgot the name of it) and get taught the way of sex. For young boys, the family would ask someone they trusted (a man) to give course to their son, not theorical course. ^-^ However homosexuality was not tolerated, as it would go against family, bisexuality for males was decently common though. For romans... well... everyoens heard of their orgies I'm sure.

Now the surprising part. Japaneese have a very developped homosexual culture. For a good example, watch the movie Taboo. It's a Japaneese movie about homosexual life in the Samurai society. It's quite disturbing to watch but still. Also, in ancient times, the emperor used to have a little boy at his service called bishonen (young boy), should I say special services. I don't know much about their present politics toward it.

I don't know about other Asian cultures nor South American ones.


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Why are people quoting the bible as it's some universally-accepted truth?



This made me laugh and I would have rated it up if I could. Kudos to you for putting one of the many self-proclaimed experts in place.

Isn't it a bit contradictory to say God made "them" that way and then see that God clearly condemns homosexuality in the Bible? Where does it say in the Bible that He made them that way?

So out of curiosity just how does God want us to take His religon?

No one knows 100%. I was posting my opinion.

Isn't it a bit contradictory to say God made "them" that way and then see that God clearly condemns homosexuality in the Bible? Where does it say in the Bible that He made them that way?

Where in the bible does it say we're all evil sinners? It says there was original sin, but it dosen't clearly state 'You were all going to hell until Jesus showed up. Jesus is cool.'

If it's an 'abnormal' growth in the brain, who do you propose made it? You clearly believe in God, so are you now suggesting that he really had nothing to do with the design of human beings?

Weeeeee... You really think it's a choice? I have many gay friends and none of them would have been gay if they had the choice not to be. You cannot choose your sexual orientation, you can only choose to hide it and maybe end as a sexual deviant. This happen quite often to see pedophilian be resorbed homosexual and this give a bad image to the gay society. There's also those who get a wife, children and at 50 years old can no longer sustain it, divorce and sometimes destroy their family in the process (sometimes it end up nicely though). Briefly the hide it option come more than often from social discrimination and oppression and rarely end well. The other option is to live it in respect, which is the best one imho.


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