On the subject of in-game same-sex marriage....Follow

Damn that was just ignorant, I need to get my thoughts str8 befoe i say somthing rude.

To those of you using the "it's a fantasy world" argument, that doesn't cut it. It is created by real people in a real world and reflects real-life issues. We bring our proverbial baggage to the game whether we like it or not, and it sucks when things that are stupid or unjust appear in what is supposed to be a fun escapist activity. If anything, the FFXI world is highly-idealized; we are the good guys, the heroes and our enemies are truly and incorrigably evil. Why should we settle for less than ideal? I would like the fantasy world of Vana'diel to reflect our better selves, our more fair and generous sides. Of course, if you think homosexuality is evil, then the situation is ideal to you, but that is a whole other argument and I would hope that those people would be a minority on this board.

I think Saboruto put it quite well by calling it 'yet another stamp of approval for the "Straights can marry, gays can't" thing.' It is the constant stream of the little slights and little prejudices that really add up to one gigantic disgusting blob of prejudice. At one time in America, blacks were not permitted to drink from the same water fountains as whites. Would anyone today be stupid enough to say, "Who cares? It's a frickin water fountain? What's the big deal?"

[edit: By the way, Sabo, many large corporations are now showing themselves to be if not pro-gay, then not anti-gay in small practical ways. Borders, Inc., for instance, provides health benefits to the same-sex partners of employees]

Edited, Mon Aug 9 04:24:13 2004 by Cybelus

Because most men would pass out less than a minute into labor.

This is the single most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life. I can't believe people care this much about final fantasy. If you were straight and asked same question I would still think the same. Maybe they just didn't realize they left it out lol.

Of course they did. They would have had to add special conditions to the marriage subroutines or whatever, just TO leave it out.

Now, please read my original post again, and either post something worthwhile explaining why you feel the way you do, or get out of my thread.

Puchuu, I TOTALLY agree with you. It's too late now to do anything about it, because if they added it to the game they would be ADDING it to the game. If they had just originally made it so anyone could marry anyone else, it wouldn't ever have become an issue. But now, it would be a separate addition with a separate bullet-point on www.playonline.com in the patch notes:

ˆ Changed the requirements for participation in a wedding ceremony. Now characters of any race and gender can be joined in marriage.

Sephirothzz: /sh OMG ELVANS R ******* N THEY GIT MARRIED TO ******* LOLOLOLLLLROFL!!!!!1

Everyone else at the auction house: /sh SHUT UP MORON UR THE ******!! WHY DONT U MARY UR DAD HAHAHA

At this point, I would be opposed to the idea of gay marriage in the game, just for the sake of the poor, poor GMs. >_< I guess I'm not really angry that they're never going to include same-gender marriage in the game. I'm angry that they felt the need to exclude it in the first place. At any rate, thank you all for participating in the topic. It's SO refreshing to see actual intelligent posting and debating! /bow

Edited, Mon Aug 9 04:43:37 2004 by Saboruto

Truly.

Here's my take on marriage, that makes me forget about these issues (or at least push them aside). I see the in-game marriage feature as a way to part fools (rich damn fools) and their money. It's another tool to control inflation.

Even though, the price seems to be about right compared to a regular wedding...astro-dam-nomical.

If I think about it that way, I don't get pissed about it. Anyway, a for intelligent, reasoned debate!

How is this "debating?" No one is fundamentally disagreeing with you.

Maybe people are rating you down without posting becuase, instead of this being a discussion, this is (partly) a big anti-social conservative bashing session.

Anyone who would disagree with you faces two problems: (1) they have to drag the thead into real-life social/political/moral/religious debate, and away from final fantasy, and (2) will take a MASSIVE karma hit for being an "evil homophobe."

As I have very little to lose in post count, I'm willing to take the rate-downs.

delta, not all debates have to be fire and brimstone, or the presidential race.

aka - all fluff, no substance.

Re-read the thread, and try to actually understand that arguments aren't always flamewars.

Again, this doesn't strike me as teh proper forum to be debating this. Ther'es too much bleed over from real life for this to be focused purely on FFXI.

If I am not mistaken, there really are no perks for the groom in the current system.

They would then get hammered for not giving an Opaline Tuxedo because male/fem marriages get a dress; fem/fem get 2 dresses and then they would add a nice tux and every 15 year old on the servers would sign up to marry another ls mate to get the item and then there would be 750 Opaline Tuxedos on the ah and then SE employees would be exausted from performing 50 weddings a day and then.....

They should just take it completely out of the game if everyone can't participate in it.

I would like to see more freedom in the rpg aspect where players could by the rings, invite whoever they wanted, have a big ceremony in the middle of town with everyone attending and a pc of their choice performing the ceremony.

One of the things I really like about UO in its prime was the freedom we had to entertain ourselves. There were player run festivals with stuff like archery contests for prizes, people would stage plays and theatre with full blown scripts and props. We had scavenger hunts becasue you could actually put things on the ground that others could pick up. There was a real community that I hope to find in a game again someday.

The level/gil making grind can only last so long. I am finding myself spending less time logged in. Square has this awsome world just sitting here waiting for it to be put to use.

If I were you Sab, I would give a community wedding a shot and see how big you could get the event. I have tried to think of player run events to stage, but there just isnt that much freedom. Everything revolves around getting the next level and making enough money to buy new gear to get to the next lvl.

I have to agree with black delta's thoughts on this topic. As I read the posts it doesnt appear to be a debate but a way for people to raise their karma. I mean you get the stereotypical yes we should all be good to one another but im sure the problems this could of caused were more a worry to SE than pleasing some people. To many people are stupid man. Thats probably SE's final answer. We can't put gay marriage in game because of all the idiot's out there.