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My point: Homosexuals need to stop complaining about everything being against them. Be thankful you can go around every day and most people never knowing you're gay. But a black man can go down the street and have every racist and bigot know that he's black, and draw his or her hatred. Get a clue, hypocrites.
And every time I think someone could not have been more insulting... here it is. First of all, to your post bringing racial issues into the picture, you are not the first ... And many of the homosexual or pro-homosexual posters have included racial rights in their comments. I do not think we deserve being called hypocritical. Second, are you suggesting that all gay people should closet themselves so they won't be discovered? I am who I am, and I do not feel I need to hide it from anyone. I don't go and have sex in public places, but I'll be damned if I can't give a date a kiss at the movies or hold his hand on the way home. I will be damned if I have to whisper to a friend when walking down the street because I am talking about my partner and someone will overhear. I will be damned if I have to witness an effeminate man harassed because he may or may not be homosexual. We are not invisible, nor would I want to be, and visibility has never even been an issue in this thread. I will not say that this world is still fair to all races, but at least they have been given equal rights by law, and that is what most of this debate has been about.
And not that it properly covers off racial issues, Humes, Taru, & Elvaan only have one shade of character skin, but Galka and Mithra both have different shades and there is no in game bigotry between the white and black furred Galka. This has always shown an indifference to race in general and the game itself promotes unity amongst different races. I have yet to hear of any parents up in arms because their children are playing a race other than hume, or are playing with other characters other than hume. Gay rights are in a distinctly different category here, and in many ways has made homosexuals more visible than racial visibility due to the lack of physicality involved... We are boiled down and judged based on our statements, thoughts and actions rather than our appearance or skin type.
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Most of us play this game as a form of escapism, so that for some interderminate amount of time, we don't have to deal with the total BS that reality as termed 'life.'
Bingo! I play to escape as well... but I log on and I have to deal with the same old hatred & homophobia in Vana'diel that I do in reality. You can't separate it. On days when I truly want to escape, I pull out a console game and play by myself where I don't have to interact with anyone. Regardless, SE has made a political choice and this forum is discussing it.
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I'm quite straight, and have no real desire to experiment a gay lifestyle. I have had several friends who were gay, and they were good people. I have no problems with gay marriage or whatever you want to call it. Not my problem, not my business... Only now, you're MAKING it my business.
Excuse me... but you chose to read this thread, and chose to comment on this thread, and chose to make it your business. Nobody here (that I have read) is making any kinds of demands to SquareEnix to change the policy, nor do I (and I assume We) expect to see any such change. I have not seen groups of gay players staging an in-game demonstration spamming up the cities with messages demanding gay rights and disrupting people trying to play the game... and it is not going to happen. This is just a debate for people that are interested in the subject.
I for one don't really care that there is no gay marriage in the game, and I don't plan on marrying my character off despite the number of proposals I have declined. What has sparked my comments are the issues that have been brought into this debate from RL, and in participation of a discussion of open thought revolving around SE's choice to specifically disallow it.
Just a tidbit for all in the anti-gay marriage camp... How would you feel if you were not allowed to marry your lovers? Not getting the same tax breaks, benefit/pension plans and other civic rights. Not being able to show any affection in public. Being told that your ceremonies are invalid, or that you are a sinner because you feel the way you do? Just take a step past what you may not understand, (and possibly fear), and ask yourself how does this really impact you, and is it really fair to impose lesser status on someone based on the grounds of who they couple with?
The fact of the matter is, there are homosexuals, and we do live amongst you. That is not going to change. Worrying about the exposure to your children as an argument is invalid because regardless of marriage we will still be here. Arguing about the degradation of society's morals is invalid because we are part of society and heavily influence it already. This is not a petition for acceptance, or a plea for attention. This is not whining for special treatment, it is asking to be treated in the same manner as everyone else, race, gender, and spiritual belief.
I do not care if you hate me for who I am, I am not here to change your opinion of homosexuals, or get your sympathy and acceptance. I do care if your hatred manifests in spiteful action, and I will challenge those actions. Denying basic rights in my opinion is spiteful and therefore unacceptable regardless of your opinion about my sexuality.