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#52 Apr 20 2015 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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Could they have made Barbara any worse of a character?
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#53 Apr 21 2015 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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They could have made her Iris.

Oh, the show. Nygma is really picking up the pace, actively competing with Cobblepot for best character.

Edited, Apr 21st 2015 12:22pm by lolgaxe
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#54 Apr 21 2015 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
actively competing with Cobblepot for best character.


Only because Cobblepot has been a bit dull lately, I think.

Beyond this last episode, Nygma hasn't done much beyond make his usual annoying riddles and act awkward in front of the girl he likes.

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Maybe, but Iris for the most part seems to stay out of the story. I really don't notice her.

Barbara is like Iris, if she were a real bitch every time she was on Camera.

Edited, Apr 21st 2015 5:05pm by TirithRR
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#55 Apr 27 2015 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
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She is definitely the worst character ever created.

Oswald's coming back.
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#56 Apr 28 2015 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Barbara is a horrible character, but it seems she's intentionally made to be so. Iris is supposed to be a character that's at least moderately likeable so you kind of root for her and Barry getting together, but for whatever reason the writers can't get her right and she ends up being a petty self centered glass statue with nothing really interesting about her.

Scheming Cobblepot is best Cobblepot. Also good to see Lucius, I cheered a bit over that.
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#57 Apr 28 2015 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
I'm almost hate watching Gotham at the moment. There have been good episodes & the last was probably the best one since it came back from break, but it is sooooooo dumb sometimes.

And yes, Barbara is the worst.
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#58 Apr 28 2015 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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They _almost_ had a chance to take Barbara's earlier bitchy worthlessness, and create turn her into an enemy. I thought for a moment that she was going to take that bitchy attitude that she had been using against Gordon earlier in the series and go all Fem-Dom on the Ogre.

And then they turned her into a lost lamb, deer in the headlights, worthless character. I was hoping that at the end when the Ogre fell and raked the knife across her neck that it had actually sliced her throat. No more Barbara, and a plot point to push a wedge between Gordon and Bullock.

Edited, Apr 29th 2015 9:15pm by TirithRR
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#59 Apr 29 2015 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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They're definitely going with the "tragically flawed" character direction for Barbara, but I think they're overdoing it and the actress playing the character just isn't able to portray it properly. Just comes off way over the top and inconsistent. It's hard to believe that Gordon could ever have been in a relationship with her. She's just that broken.
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#60 Apr 30 2015 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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It's a bit distressing that each cape show has a female that I'd cheer to see thrown off a bridge and into a volcano.

And to avoid anything resembling a possible sh--storm, of the four shows three of them are basically only there for relationship tension done horribly awkward (Iris, Felicity, Barbara), and the fourth is Mary Sue Poots* who seems to spend 90% of her screen time crying or complaining about something. Of the four, Iris and MSP might be redeemable. Now that Iris knows Barry is GoesFastMan I'd like to think she'll be a lot less irritatingly dense, but kind of doubt it considering the temper tantrum she threw over Eddie not bending to her will and MSP if she'd just stop crying over everything she does. I don't believe there is any redemption for the other two, though the chances of their dying is pretty high. (Felicity as a way to undo Oliver's brainwashing, and Barbara because I'm pretty certain she canonically dies anyway.)

* I continue to absolutely refuse to acknowledge her name being either Skye or Daisy Johnson. Take that, people who don't care what my opinion is. As long as she continues being a mary sue, I shall continue referring to her as such.

Edited, Apr 30th 2015 2:42pm by lolgaxe
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#61 May 01 2015 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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I continue to absolutely refuse to acknowledge her name being either Skye or Daisy Johnson. Take that, people who don't care what my opinion is. As long as she continues being a mary sue, I shall continue referring to her as such.


Her awesome fight scene in the last episode of SHIELD would like a word with you...
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#62 May 04 2015 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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I still hate Barbara. Apparently she's such a weak individual that a day or two will a killer makes her go completely insane. Or it's just cause she's a jealous bitch who runs away from Jim to sleep with one of her former lovers, but can't stand to see Jim with another woman even after they break up, so goes apeshit on Jim's new love interest.

Nygma went crazy. I wonder if he snapped only after the murder, or if he always had these spells, they just didn't show it.

Falcone, Maroni, Fish, and Oswald... the whole thing was kind of a mess of who's on whose side. All four of them basically for themselves, trying to play the others.

Bruce/Alfred pretty dull. But I guess they uncovered the Bat Cave (Bat flapping and all). So did this mean that Batman's father was Batman?

Selena, a bit evil, a cat pun or maybe two.
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#63 May 05 2015 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Her awesome fight scene in the last episode of SHIELD would like a word with you...
It was a good fight, no doubt, but part of being a mary sue is to show just how badass they are compared to everyone around them.
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I still hate Barbara.
Agreed.

Oswald hip firing an M249 was hilarious. Hip firing in general is hilarious for me, but that gun has some kick and I've seen bigger people try it and get pushed around. I thought Fish shooting Maroni was well done, Falcone stepping down was good, and Oswald gunning down people was great. Jada as 80s Storm not so much. Felt bad for Butch. Fish isn't scheduled for season 2, so her cheap not death death probably won't be explored too closely until / if there is a season 3 or beyond.

I couldn't help laughing at the end, when Bruce opened up the book and I thought it was an iPod with his dad's illegal mp3 collection. So apparently Thomas was PreBatman (or Owlman if you google and vaguely remember a storyline).
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#64 May 05 2015 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Sheesh. Could they have Barbara hit a few more branches on the Trope tree on her way down? All that's left is to have her discover she's pregnant with psycho-guys baby (and trick Jim into thinking it's his I suppose, cause that would just be awesome). Have to get rid of the competition somehow though. Her storyline is just weird.

One of the things that is annoying me with this show (I've actually noticed it with a few shows recently, so maybe it's a thing) is showing preview scenes from several episodes ahead. Traditionally, you show scenes from the next episode, but we've been being teased with the bat door thing for like a month now. Ditto on a number of other scenes they've shown. Not sure I like this, since I keep waiting for the scene to be in the episode, and it's not. Then I'm waiting for it to be in the next episode, and it's still not. So it's less anticipation as it is disappointment.

Also kinda thought the whole multi-directional power struggle thing was a bit ridiculous. I get that they want to show shifting alliances and confusion and whatnot, but there's a point at which you're dealing with organized criminals and they're just not going to put anyone they don't trust 100% in any position of power. And at this point, no one trusts anyone. Which, I suppose, is the point. But it makes one wonder what Fish was thinking in the first place. Unless her plan was to kill Maroni and Falcone all along, her actions make zero sense. And Cobblepot, while still awesome in his own way, has basically burned every single bridge along the way. Again, probably the point from a storyline pov, but you have to question what his motivations were. Why attempt to kill Falcone? Did he think this would buy him any favor from Maroni? We have to assume not. So again, unless his plan was to take them both out all along, the action makes no sense. And there's no indication that he had such a plan in place. Getting them to fight? Great. But then why stick his head up in the middle of things at all? He should have just let Maroni kill Falcone, and then wait in hiding to take out Maroni immediately afterwards. Dunno. Maybe he's just crazy enough that he wanted to kill them both personally.

Honestly though, that brings up the next question. Wasn't Butch brainwashed by Falcone's assassin guy (can't remember his name). I get that he's working for Cobblepot, but isn't he ultimately going to be loyal to Falcone then? Why would he be along to help Cobblepot kill him then? That bit made no sense to me at all. Speaking of which, where was that guy anyway? He was the big bad muscle for Falcone up until now, and he just disappears? It's not even like they forgot he existed, since Cobblepot used the fact that the other guy was second fiddle to move the whole botched assassination plot forward in the first place.

There was a lot that didn't make sense in that episode. Very very contrived set of actions designed to arrive at a story destination, but I think it could have been done much better.
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#65 May 05 2015 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
It wasn't the worst episode of the season, but certainly had its ridiculousness that we've come to expect. Cobblepot winning an even fight with Fish? Nope. Celina going bad? Nope. Barbara is still the worst (why the **** is Jim going to name his daughter after her?).
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#66 May 06 2015 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Why would he be along to help Cobblepot kill him then?
Well, I figure since Butch was most loyal slash in love with Fish, and that Cobblepot is certainly a master manipulator, he got Butch to believe Falcone is the reason Fish was "killed." Ed-Fish-ion: I think the brainwashing was more pro-Cobblepot than Pro-Falcone, and Cobblepot is certainly a lot better at manipulating people than Falcone would be so Butch would be overall more likely to follow Penguin, but his love of Fish was what really messed him up which is why he shot both Pengy and Fish in the leg but had no problem with attacking Falcone.

It never occurred to me just how animally Batman characters are nick/named, which in hindsight should be pretty bloody obvious.

Edited, May 6th 2015 1:33pm by lolgaxe
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#67 May 06 2015 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Why would he be along to help Cobblepot kill him then?
Well, I figure since Butch was most loyal slash in love with Fish, and that Cobblepot is certainly a master manipulator, he got Butch to believe Falcone is the reason Fish was "killed." Ed-Fish-ion: I think the brainwashing was more pro-Cobblepot than Pro-Falcone, and Cobblepot is certainly a lot better at manipulating people than Falcone would be so Butch would be overall more likely to follow Penguin, but his love of Fish was what really messed him up which is why he shot both Pengy and Fish in the leg but had no problem with attacking Falcone.


Yeah. But Falcone had him brainwashed, not Cobblepot. He had whatshisname the crazy assassin guy do it, and then assigned him to help Cobblepot run the bar. I kinda assumed that part of that was specifically so that Falcone could keep an eye on what Cobblepot was doing. It just seems silly to go through the trouble of brainwashing someone to forget their old allegiance to an underling that tried to betray you, and serve you instead, but not actually be loyal to you, but to yet another underling that's just as likely to betray you as the last one. Seems like "whatever happens make sure Cobblepot doesn't betray me" would be high up on the directives you'd insert into Butch's brains.

But then... TV plots, right?
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#68 May 07 2015 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
But then... TV plots, right?
Pretty much. This is the show that had experienced career cops panic over balloons and mismatch ranks. It's bad enough trying to deal with Barbara, trying to pull on every loose thread is suicidal. I just go with Zsasz trained Butch to be mainly Cobblepot's monkey.
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#69 May 07 2015 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
I just started Netflixing Arrow & now wish Gotham was even half as good as it or Daredevil. Gotham has its moments of greatness, but there is just too much awful BS to ignore to enjoy even 1 entire episode.
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#70 May 08 2015 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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Speaking of Arrow, the "On the next episode" preview really botched any attempt at tension.
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