Future expansions planned by Blizzard, from late 2003.Follow

No where in this post is it declared as official, people make assumptions all the time. He did say it was from a friend, blah blah blah, how rarely do we believe the from a friend BS? If I said "my friend had relations with a murloc last year and she got pregnant, what should she do?" You would automatically assume it was me I was discussing, no?

I am still in the belief that I don't listen until Blizzard says it, the same way I didn't believe all the crap flying around about Michael Jackson, or the new releases of SC, D or Cataclysm, until it was confirmed. People speculate and dream all the time, there is no reason to hate Reinjin who has done a lot for this community. You have your opinions as well as he does, and mine may differ still. If we all thought the same, we'd be quite boring and have no need for discussion forums, right?

It is your decision to hate him, regardless of any actions I may or may not take against him for this thread. I see no reason to smack him for this post, alter his karma, mute or ban him, or treat him any differently than I have in the past. We have had MANY joke, funny, assumption, creative, made up, off the wall, troll, etc types of posts in here from many different people. It gives us something to chat about, discuss, defend and enjoy, or not, but you'd be mighty bored if every post was about how fantastic (or sick) bodhi is, how bad FFXI or Blizzard sucks, or how hot I am. You'd get bored in a hurry and probably never come back.

Stop being a whiny ***** and accept that Reinjin pulled one awesome prank on all of us.
I know I fell for it and I'm usually pretty skeptic about things.
I also know that this is one of the better laughs I've had in a while.

Props and rate ups to him.
Also for predicting Cataclysm as the next expansion.








And Word, you better make this an achievement. It's worth it.

Edited, Aug 26th 2009 8:25pm by Aethien

It's a fantastic prank. I think that makes it even better then it was before.

rateups to you reinjin, although it appears people just rate you back down.

I fell for it as well. While I'm not laughing... I do want to tip my hat to the OP for coming up with something unique and pulling it off with a certain degree of class. Rate up.

Maybe you missed my sarcasm there. And I'm not offended, I wasn't at all involved in the thread because I happen to be one of those people who didn't know who Deathwing was until the publicity surrounding Blizzcon. I just think after re-reading the thread that you took a lot of people in and that was unnecessary. I know I would feel like a dupe if it were me and I don't see how the deception benefited your stated purpose of getting a discussion going about the lore of WoW.

So, yes, I do have rather high moral standards I suppose. What I find most troubling is that holding honesty and integrity out as a standard is considered "high moral standards" as opposed to being the norm for moral standards.

I also think you detracted from your own "accomplishment", so to speak. You made some rather interesting and thought-provoking predictions but all anyone will remember is how you hoodwinked a bunch of people who take the lore pretty seriously. I will acknowledge that you offered an apology, but even there you condition it by saying there is only an "extreme possibility" that an apology is warranted.

In the end, even if no one else feels as I do, I felt it was important to not let your fraud pass without comment.

Please, DF, hate? I must be awfully dense then because my post was not intended to come anywhere near hate. For the record, I do not hate the OP for his deception - his post didn't mean all that much to me because I have very little knowledge of WoW lore and only got into the game in early '07. And as I said in a previous post, as far as getting discussion going, he could have done that easily without the lie.

I guess I have this problem with jumping in where I'm not involved, and I probably should have just let this go it seems. After all, no one who posted in the thread has objected. I think it was his gloating that bothered me most.

But I'm really bothered by the hate comment. Is my post really that full of emotion? Am I that out of touch with what I write?


Uhm, sorry?

Nothing will be done to that person, at least not from me. It was a prank and while it may not have gone over well, that's really all it was.

Not to sound like a ***** but why are you so offended at my comment? I wasn't talking directly to you AT ALL. I don't even recall anything you have said up to this point. Hate it or not, I don't care, what word would you have preferred I used? I used the one that was in my thoughts at the time, k?

Until early this year I had forgotten I even made this post. Then, one day, I did what many people do when they're bored enough - they google their name and all their online pseudonyms to see just how much of a presence they had on Google. What I found floored me. Literally over a hundred results containing this humble little list I put together on a whim early one morning. I think I was actually waiting for my first morning class to start.

I had no idea how it got so popular, but soon people were swearing they saw the list back during WoW beta, or even earlier. Some point to a german forum as its point of origin, since to the uninitiated it looks as though it was posted months before I posted it here, and before WotLK was even announced. However, what they don't realize is that dates in Europe are ordered day-month-year. It was actually posted there after I wrote it, of course. Not many realized that, and so the adventure continued.

I certainly won't be doing anything like this again. Once is enough. I do a lot of honest writing and lorecrafting, and I don't want to be known as the guy who made all that expansion list stuff up.

While I'm glad it kick-started a lot of speculation (I love seeing people discussing WoW lore and the different uncharted regions of Azeroth and beyond), I do apologize for passing this off as fact. It won't happen again, promise.

Thanks.
Admittedly, when I first encountered this list, probably not that long after its release, I believed it, too, wrote a long post on the official EU forums about how they could explain that Worgen stem from the Nathrezim homeworld etc. :P
Later, say, earlier this year, I wrote some posts here (less-developed than the last one) explaining why this is probably fake, but they got downrated and deleted. Good that this text, which I wrote after the registration of "Cataclysm", prevailed and (most likely *whistles*) made Reinjin admit it's fake ;)

I have no hard feelings for him, the list itself was a very good job, he did well-founded lore research to assemble it, and of course the chance for Maelstrom -> Planes -> Demon worlds was rather high.
I just hated the blind dumbness of people who swore that they had seen exactly this list even before fall 2007...

PS: How do you rate posts, anyway? I never see something for that...

The sad truth is that most of the people who saw this will never find out it was a hoax. That’s how the internet is--lies never die a clean death. Check out Snopes sometime, and see all the e-mail that continues to circulate despite being thoroughly debunked.

That’s because a percentage of people will believe anything, if it’s told to them by a friend. Obama’s birth certificate is fake. The moon landing was filmed in Hollywood. A dying girl wants you to send her a postcard. Microsoft will pay you to forward an e-mail to friends. Global warming doesn’t exist. No Jews died on 9/11. A Soviet drill crew heard the voice of Satan from an oil well.

People will still reference this thread in months, maybe years to come. Not because it’s funny, or clever, but because they heard it from a friend.

And to be blunt, people here aren’t taking in that lesson. They’re saying, “Wow, I was completely fooled by this post! Reinjin must be a genius of deception, nay, a trickster god!” When what they should be saying is, “Wow, I was completely fooled by this post! Man, am I a sucker. I should consider why I was willing to accept it without any real evidence!”

Which is a pity, because coming away with a little self-knowledge and skepticism from this paltry little hoax might innoculate people when the next trickster oils his or her way around the corner, because the next time the stakes might be higher than who gets the red or green arrow.




Edited, Aug 27th 2009 10:45am by emmitsvenson

Reinjin OP: Sept 2007
Zeroflow post Oct 2007

So it's not a copy from MMO champion...

I was just correcting the error as it was not a copy pasta from mmochampion.