With two expansions worth of zones called out word-for-word (including all of the WotLK expansions a full year before the expansion came out)... I'd say we should consider this document legit.
Personally, I was hoping for the Emerald Dream (aka Planes set) as the next expansion... but it kind of makes sense to flesh out the remaining parts of Azeroth before delving into alternate dimensions and whatnot (especially with the Emerald Dream supposedly being a reflection of Azeroth without the "taint" of the intelligent races, per WoWWiki).
Although I can't help but wonder... if Cataclysm is indeed announced at BlizzCon... what does that mean for WotLK? After all... we're still waiting for Icecrown Citadel to be unlocked and God only knows what else (ala Sunwell). And if Blizzard holds true to it's previous track-record, if it's announced at BlizzCon, it'll probably be put into beta probably around April-May 2010 and released August-October 2010. That doesn't give Blizzard much time to finish out WotLK (again, given Blizzard's previous track-record with releasing a major content patch every 3 months).
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#103REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 1:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reinjin, you need to return to clarify this list was made up after the announcement of the Northrend zones (which happened just before you posted this)
#104
Jul 02 2009 at 2:00 AM
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Realized this post originated over a year ago. I thought I had seen this at least a couple times before.
That is what many people claim, but can never prove :)
#105
Jul 02 2009 at 2:10 AM
A photo that has been making it's way around mmo-champion. I say take it with a grain of salt. It may or may not be real. Who knows ?!
EDIT: I should point out the main significance of this shot is that Caydiem was a Blizzard CM from the beginning of beta till 2006. The date of the supposed post is 11/26/2004 2:39 44 PM PST.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/arkain21/addons2004c600c.jpg
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 6:20am by Antius
EDIT: I should point out the main significance of this shot is that Caydiem was a Blizzard CM from the beginning of beta till 2006. The date of the supposed post is 11/26/2004 2:39 44 PM PST.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/arkain21/addons2004c600c.jpg
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 6:20am by Antius
#106
Jul 02 2009 at 2:51 AM
Antius wrote:
A photo that has been making it's way around mmo-champion. I say take it with a grain of salt. It may or may not be real. Who knows ?!
EDIT: I should point out the main significance of this shot is that Caydiem was a Blizzard CM from the beginning of beta till 2006. The date of the supposed post is 11/26/2004 2:39 44 PM PST.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/arkain21/addons2004c600c.jpg
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 6:20am by Antius
EDIT: I should point out the main significance of this shot is that Caydiem was a Blizzard CM from the beginning of beta till 2006. The date of the supposed post is 11/26/2004 2:39 44 PM PST.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/arkain21/addons2004c600c.jpg
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 6:20am by Antius
Likely shooped. As far as I know, Reinjin's OP was the origination of this now popular list, but I know for sure that a Blizzard employee would never give away that amount of information.
#107
Jul 02 2009 at 6:55 AM
In the next expansion there will be no green items of clothing so they can sell the game in Iran.
#108
Jul 02 2009 at 9:25 AM
neocronNV, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
Although I can't help but wonder... if Cataclysm is indeed announced at BlizzCon... what does that mean for WotLK? After all... we're still waiting for Icecrown Citadel to be unlocked and God only knows what else (ala Sunwell). And if Blizzard holds true to it's previous track-record, if it's announced at BlizzCon, it'll probably be put into beta probably around April-May 2010 and released August-October 2010. That doesn't give Blizzard much time to finish out WotLK (again, given Blizzard's previous track-record with releasing a major content patch every 3 months).
If you remember WotLK was announced at Blizzcon 2007 and was released Novemember 2008 if they keep a similiar time frame we still have 1 or two more major content patches to go before it's time to leave Northrend.
#109
Jul 02 2009 at 5:54 PM
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Likely shooped. As far as I know, Reinjin's OP was the origination of this now popular list, but I know for sure that a Blizzard employee would never give away that amount of information.
While the shot could very well be photo shopped "I doubt we'll ever know", I'd argue that Blizzard could have very well divulged the information. The fact that Blizzard supposedly sent out "the list" in an information packet to all the beta testers says that they weren't too concerned about knowledge of their future plans. Back when WoW was being developed, I'm sure the devs were more laid back about the info they shared before the game exploded into the fan base it has today.
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 9:55pm by Antius
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 10:09pm by Antius
#110
Jul 02 2009 at 6:18 PM
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Back when WoW was being developed, I'm sure the devs were more laid back about the info they shared before the game exploded into the fan base it has today.
Quite the contrary, actually. Since we got GC, we at least have somebody pointing out where Blizz wants to head with WoW. At WoW's release, there barely was any interaction with the fanbase. From what I've experienced, anyway.
#111
Jul 02 2009 at 6:59 PM
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Quite the contrary, actually. Since we got GC, we at least have somebody pointing out where Blizz wants to head with WoW. At WoW's release, there barely was any interaction with the fanbase. From what I've experienced, anyway.
I agree, there is a larger flow of information available to the player base today than there has been in the past. The only thing I'm saying is if Blizzard would "never give away that info" then they would have never included "the list" in the information packets where it supposedly came from. It is entirely possible that the CM could have posted it on the forum back in '04 before the game became such a huge success.
It's kind of like Lawry's Seasoning. Back in the day when he served the seasoning at his diner he could have told friends and family how he made the seasoning and told them what he else planned on making. Once it became a national success they started keeping all product recipes and future products under lock and key.
Forgive the poor analogy, but it's all I have at the moment.
EDIT: because I didn't pay enough attention in english class.
Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 11:17pm by Antius
#112
Jul 05 2009 at 4:02 AM
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Stuffed inside the folder were a crapload of documents and stuff pertaining to the World of Warcraft alpha and beta, back before I even cared about the game. I had been sent the stuff from my friend, who was in the friends-and-family beta that preceded the general closed beta in early 2004. Most of the documents were plastered with '2003'.
Come on Reinjin, come back and admit it's all fake, for goodness sake. This "list" is really getting out of hand.
#113
Jul 05 2009 at 5:55 AM
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With two expansions worth of zones called out word-for-word (including all of the WotLK expansions a full year before the expansion came out)... I'd say we should consider this document legit.
Except this thread wasn't posted until a month after WotLK was announced. If it turns out to match up with the next expansion, THEN I would safely say it can be considered legitimate.
#114
Jul 05 2009 at 6:09 AM
PhedrePhoenix wrote:
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With two expansions worth of zones called out word-for-word (including all of the WotLK expansions a full year before the expansion came out)... I'd say we should consider this document legit.
Except this thread wasn't posted until a month after WotLK was announced. If it turns out to match up with the next expansion, THEN I would safely say it can be considered legitimate.
Very true.... the thread was indeed posted a month after WotLK was announced... except Blizzard didn't release very much information about WotLK at that time. I remember the WotLK teaser site Blizzard put up... it didn't have a detailed listing of the zones. I remember Blizzard's annoucement at BlizzCon... it didn't have a detailed listing of zones either. In fact, the general public didn't really get a feel for what WotLK had to offer zone-wise until the beta... which was about 7-8 months AFTER this thread was posted (the only zones Blizzard ever really showed off on the teaser site was some pics of Borean Tundra, Dragonblight, and Grizzly Hills if I remember correctly).
#115
Jul 05 2009 at 6:28 PM
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The Panderan can be WoW's first nuetral race. The Panderan have traded and exchanged with the night elves for a long time, Before the great Sundering. However in WC3 the panderan brewmaster was a mercanery. now in WoW you can find the kegs all around the barrens. No one knows where Pandaria is so it could possibly be just a myth. They also did establish a camp in stonetalon mountains which means a bit of old world reconstruction if it isnt already there.
link i got this from
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaria
link i got this from
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaria
#116
Jul 05 2009 at 6:33 PM
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Sorry for my double posting but i think i know where the Panderan are. Hiji is the level 10-20 area for the panderan so it must be close and i wowwikied it to find its a small island in the South Seas to the east of Kezan, south of the Broken Isles and Maelstrom, and southwest of Stranglethorn Vale. Is this where Pandaria is?
http://www.wowwiki.com/Hiji
Also a picture
http://www.wowwiki.com/Hiji
Also a picture
#117
Jul 05 2009 at 10:06 PM
I really hope Pandaren isn't a playeable race. We really don't need everyone and their uncle rolling a panda.
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#118
Jul 05 2009 at 10:23 PM
IDrownFish wrote:
I really hope Pandaren isn't a playeable race. We really don't need everyone and their uncle rolling a panda.
Panda rolling: ten times as fun as tauren tipping!
#119
Jul 05 2009 at 10:25 PM
Lady isyris wrote:
IDrownFish wrote:
I really hope Pandaren isn't a playeable race. We really don't need everyone and their uncle rolling a panda.
Panda rolling: ten times as fun as tauren tipping!
Well, it would give Gnome Punting a run for its money.
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#120
Jul 07 2009 at 1:10 PM
PhedrePhoenix wrote:
Except this thread wasn't posted until a month after WotLK was announced. If it turns out to match up with the next expansion, THEN I would safely say it can be considered legitimate.
I could be mistaken, but I don't believe this is the original thread. There was one previous, very shortly after BC was released. Even so, do you really have much reason to distrust it? -- Maybe WotLK was announced, but there was zero public information on it until much later.
As for the Pandarens, I don't think they'll happen. Blizzard has too many accounts in China. Apparently China wasn't very happy with the bears when they were first created for WC3:TFT. This very well might have been what Blizzard planned to do back in 2003, before Chinese officials caught up to them. While the entire rest of the expansion information might be spot on, I have serious doubts we'll actually see Pandarens as a PC...after all, why haven't they shown up anywhere else in the world beyond a few vague mentions of Chen in Barrens quests? Chilton said in the interview we had linked on the front page earlier today that they want their player races "seeded" in the world and a known entity to players before they would become playable. Pandarens are *NOWHERE*...meaning, in all likelihood, players who haven't paid much attention and didn't play WC3 don't even know what they are. If space goats were a mistake, according to Chilton, and they were more visible than Pandaren, where does that put us?
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
#121
Jul 07 2009 at 2:11 PM
1) I agree this is not the original. The original was on the O-boards and was sometime shortly after BC was released. I remember seeing it when I was still a newbie to the game.
2) Don't try to guess where Hiji is from the map, remember what northrend looked like before WotLK? It didn't.
2) Don't try to guess where Hiji is from the map, remember what northrend looked like before WotLK? It didn't.
#122
Jul 07 2009 at 2:15 PM
#123
Jul 08 2009 at 6:41 AM
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Blizzard has too many accounts in China. Apparently China wasn't very happy
And yet Perfect World - A Chinese MMORPG has Panda men as part of the "Untamed" race.
I'd rather accept the peripheral nature of them to WoW as a reason for non-occurrence than some imaginary Chinese aversion to seeing them.
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#124
Jul 08 2009 at 7:29 AM
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OK Pandaren putting to rest time.
In Blizzcon 2008 Blizzard executive J. Allen Brack said that "China did have issues with Pandaren, and they are an important part of their player base. Can't say it'll never happen, but it isn't on the horizon."
Now, unless anything has changed or is explained in Blizzcon 2009, it looks like Blizzard had planned to include Pandaren as playable races, but due to conflicts with China they were not added.
Unless the blizz exec was just talking out of his rear-end because he didn't have an answer to the person who posed the question.
In Blizzcon 2008 Blizzard executive J. Allen Brack said that "China did have issues with Pandaren, and they are an important part of their player base. Can't say it'll never happen, but it isn't on the horizon."
Now, unless anything has changed or is explained in Blizzcon 2009, it looks like Blizzard had planned to include Pandaren as playable races, but due to conflicts with China they were not added.
Unless the blizz exec was just talking out of his rear-end because he didn't have an answer to the person who posed the question.
#125
Jul 08 2009 at 9:54 AM
Isyris wrote:
Not quite.
You must have missed where I said...
Quote:
While the entire rest of the expansion information might be spot on, I have serious doubts we'll actually see Pandarens as a PC...after all, why haven't they shown up anywhere else in the world beyond a few vague mentions of Chen in Barrens quests?
And quite honestly, that's absolutely nothing to go on. There are no physical Pandarens. There are no mentions anywhere within Alliance subculture. One throwback to The Founding of Durotar doesn't really count for much.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
#126
Jul 08 2009 at 10:25 AM
Scholar
46 posts
Quote:
And quite honestly, that's absolutely nothing to go on. There are no physical Pandarens. There are no mentions anywhere within Alliance subculture. One throwback to The Founding of Durotar doesn't really count for much.
Well to be honest they have as likely a shot of getting to be the next alliance race as any other option. Plus, Blizzard knows people like them, and they might continue to get subscriptions and money from a well-liked race.
Beside the whole China thing. At which point they said it basically isn't going to happen yet. <_<
We will find out at BlizzCon '09, ladies and gents.
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