About Action Taken Against Third-Party Tool Users

From Square-Enix: Recently it has come to our attention that an unauthorized third-party software tool was made available to the public. This tool allows players to change their job from anywhere in Vana'diel. In response to this, an emergency maintenance was carried out on Sep. 4 13:00 to 16:00 (PDT) to prevent further use of this tool within FINAL FANTASY XI. As a result of an ongoing investigation, it has been determined that over 600 accounts will be either suspended or terminated for the malicious and intentional use of this third-party tool. We would like to take this time to remind our players that the use of any third-party tools to change or modify the game in any way is strictly prohibited in the PlayOnline environment. We will continue to take any necessary actions against those individuals that we have confirmed to have used such tools. Please note that by using these third-party tools, the consequences may extend beyond action being taken against your account. Some tools may cause character information to be altered, erased, or personal information to be leaked to unwanted third parties. If you come across a third-party tool over the internet, we ask that you please refrain from the download of such a tool, no matter how minor it may appear to be. We thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this matter.

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This started before the game was released
# Sep 12 2005 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
First, just let me say that I completely agree with the notion that hacks/bots/cheats and other performance enhancing drugs should be a bannable offense and SE is right on track. No two ways about it.

My problem here is that this is a minimally altered PS2 program running in a Windows environment. I say that if you're going to run on a platform, embrace it, don't just do what you have to to get by. The developers at SE clearly made this with PS2 in mind, and chose not to add in even the basic functionality to make it Windows Certified (the ability to run in a window being one feature on the list). I mean, if FF loses focus, it boots you instead of just ignoring input (or something similar) and that's just silly. Now, the only viable argument (in my opinion) against a windower that I've heard is that it allows for debugging of other tools in realtime, which sucks for the rest of us who merely want convenience, but that's life.

I played WoW for a while (in my opinion a technically superior game) and came back during the Return to Vanadiel campaign, and I honestly think this game has more to offer, but things like this just get under my skin. I see it as a needless inconvenience for their customers.

Just out of curiosity, can anyone think of another popular, somewhat recent game that didn't let you ALT+TAB or run in a window? I can't.

Thanks for bearing with this absurdly long post.
RE: This started before the game was released
# Sep 13 2005 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
SE is embracing the windows enviroment thier now using a Generic Host Process(this also breaks thier own rule of using a third party application) that if turned off or blocked will not allow you to play thier game(implemented December 19, 2004). Allowing the game to be run in a window should be thier top priority for computer users since many have Virus scanners and other programs that do need to take a quick focus check on the machine to keep them running safe. SE's neglagence in this causes thier problems that people may not be checking thier computers correctly since they may need to turn these off. I don't use windower have checked it personally don't like it, It has done strange things to the computer itself. but let me find one that works properly/safely and yes to make the machine run as it was intended to I would use(Since the rules for third party use has changed). I never signed on to the game to be a host for anything only a client.
RE: This started before the game was released
# Sep 12 2005 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I played WoW for a bit too... I liked that game but it was really, like, loose. I dunno. But FFXI does have more to offer, considering I've been playing it for a year and a half, and my cousin was done with WoW in a month or two.
Nomad Moogle <Can I have it?>
# Sep 12 2005 at 6:18 AM Rating: Default
In my opinion, this is a bit about money. Not 100% I'm sure, but I was thinking about something one day as I was running across La Thiene to Ronfaure from Holla crag. (Forgive the spelling if it's off.) I thought: I've done this so many times. I wonder how much time I've just been running across regions to get somewhere to do something.

Then it hit me... SE WANTS you to be running around huge regions. If there were mages everywhere like the one in Windy that warps you to the other side of Windy, you would be getting things done faster. Why do we have to sit and wait on an airship to get back from Kahzam when SE could place a mage there that could warp you there?

The answer has to do with the fact that this is a fee-based game. Each month you get billed so-and-so amount of money. You keep playing to advance your character to further yourself, help your friends, and adventure to new places. (or whatever reason you play for) If you could do this faster, the sooner you'd get bored with the game and cancel your account. (To each his own. I'll be playin' until they only have one server left open) but you see where I'm going with this. They want you running around. Changing jobs at will is bad for them as you arent spending that time running from a homepoint for half an hour.

Let's face these sad facts:
Could SE put a nomad moogle in Selbina? Yes. Would it be easy for them to do it? Yes.
Would it help the players LVing in the Valkurm Dunes? Yes.

...but they don't. They want you waiting on a raise or running to a city with an AH. They love you spend time playing because aside from time, you're aldo spending money.

BTW, I don't think SE is now evil or anything. They were only evil when they made that horrid skill-up system for Final Fantasy II. Also evil when they made the 'no armor/no MP' junction system of Final Fantasy VIII. Maybe a bit evil not making another Final Fantasy Tactics for PSX or PS2.

One side note about windowing programs. I looked at my PC today and it had a sticker that said 'Windows' on it. lol I think the talk about windowing programs on THE windowing program is too funny. Just my two cents.

Anyway, I've blah-blah'd too much.

~~~
Esdain is on vacation until October event. I miss my precious Kujata (FFXI's little secret best server) and linkshell TheUncensored. I'll be back soon guys. /cry
Rules of the House
# Sep 12 2005 at 5:24 AM Rating: Good
"As long as you live under my roof, you will obey my rules." I'm pretty sure that everyone in here has heard that on more than a few occasions in their lives. Well, that's exactly what SquareEnix is saying right now.

Please, let me elaborate. In real life, arson is a crime. If a person sets a building on fire, the law doesn't care if that building was a schoolhouse or a crackhouse. The only thing the law cares about is the fact that a building got torched.

The same example exists in FFXI right now. The Terms of Conduct Agreement, or whatever it's called, that each player, even in passing, agrred to obey upon playing this game expressly states that using a third party program to interfere with Final Fantasy XI is forbidden, and may be punished by the banning of an account. SquareEnix doesn't care whether the third party program is malicious or not. Nor should they.

And, for the people spouting off about "our rights," you need to remember something. Inside that game, we are not bound by the laws of whatever country we happen to live in. I am not bound by the laws of the United States, for instance. I am bound by the laws of Vana diel. And, because of that, a person doesn't have the same rights in that environment that they would have in real life. The simple fact of the matter is that players of this game sign away a substantial portion of their rights in order for SquareEnix and Sony to allow them to enjoy their intellectual property.

SquareEnix, or Sony, for that matter, has the ability, and the right, to remove any user it chooses, as long as both of the following two conditions are met.

1: The user violates the Terms of Conduct Agreement that was entered into upon beginning to play the game.

and

2: SquareEnix or Sony can prove it. (Notice that I didn't say "Prove it to other people." They only need to prove it to themselves. It is their game and server, after all.)

Now, to clarify, let's use an example. Take a player, Let's call him "Omi." Why Omi? Because I like Xiaolin Showdown. Now, Omi is playing in the Dunes as a level 14 Samurai. His party gets wiped out by a link, and he barely makes it to Selbina. He comes back under a minute and a half later, but this time, he's back as a level 65 Red Mage. He uses Chainspell to Raise his party inside of 20 seconds, and goes back to Selbina. when Omi comes back another minute later, he's back to being a level 14 Samurai.

In that example, it should be fairly obvious that the player using Omi is doing something against the rules. And, since he's not obeying the rules of the house, he's probably going to get kicked out of it, regardless of the reason he broke the rules. Because, no-one in a position of authority really cares why a person breaks the rules.

Now, I used the absolute most positive light possible to describe this. Now, do any of use know anyone who would actually use these hacks like this? I don't. The people who have these hacks remind me of the PK's in Diablo II who lways used MapHack to find their victims in under 3 seconds.

And, as far as Windower goes, I really don't care whether or not you are douing anything naughty with it. If you use it, then you are intentionally breaking the rules of the Final Fantasy XI "house," and SquareEnix, or Sony, has the right to kick you our of that house. Period.
RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 14 2005 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Now, to clarify, let's use an example. Take a player, Let's call him "Omi." Why Omi? Because I like Xiaolin Showdown. Now, Omi is playing in the Dunes as a level 14 Samurai. His party gets wiped out by a link, and he barely makes it to Selbina. He comes back under a minute and a half later, but this time, he's back as a level 65 Red Mage. He uses Chainspell to Raise his party inside of 20 seconds, and goes back to Selbina. when Omi comes back another minute later, he's back to being a level 14 Samurai.

In that example, it should be fairly obvious that the player using Omi is doing something against the rules. And, since he's not obeying the rules of the house, he's probably going to get kicked out of it, regardless of the reason he broke the rules. Because, no-one in a position of authority really cares why a person breaks the rules.
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Just to add a touch of possibility on this for a funny second.... I have done this very thing, but completely ligit... I had that event item that would warp you to sandy's choco stable, changed to whm/blm, warped to selbina and went and raised my pty. used the harness again and changed back. bought insta-warp with conquest.. Why?? Not sure myself... really was killing time waiting for a tank to get there. but anyway back to the comments of the thread... ^^

RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 12 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Default
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The windower contains nothing malicious or adventateous to give you advantages over anyone else.
IMO it doesn't "interfere" with FFXI in anyway.
It just allows you window the game and shows you what's already being sent to your computer already anyway.

In your example Recreant, Omi goes to selbina and changes jobs.
How does he do this? There's no moogle in Selbina. If there was, then it's because SE put one there and there's no rule violation there.
If he's using some subjob changing program than indeed, that's against the rules and he should be banned or whatever.
You should probably clarify which you mean.
RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 13 2005 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
Im not so much as worried about this job changing hack as i am about the Bot problem and the LS's (Genjo's) and CGS who promote them. I do agree though that its your fault if you knowingly use the program and get caught. I would applaud SE for kicking someone for it. This has all gotten out of hand. What ever happened to just playing the game like it was meant to be played. Tired of hearing justification why some use the different programs. I have enjoyed FFXI for a long time but I feel nothing is gunna change due to the fact that no matter what someone has got to cheat or break the rules in some way to get ahead. If all the cheaters and hackers would put as much effort in thier real lives as they do in FFXI, they could be rich "IN REAL LIFE" too.

RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 12 2005 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
Machaveli, I'm having a hard time understanding what part of my post you had trouble with. "Clarify?" I'm sorry, but I really think that "I don't care whether it's malicious or not" was pretty clear as to what I meant.

And, the fact that there's no Moogle in Selbina is key to my point. In my example, for Omi to have been able to do what he did, he would have had to have used an outside program that allows him to circumvent the coding for the game. I don't deal in "if." "If" SquareEnix wanted players of Final Fantasy XI to play their game in a window, SquareEnix would have released the game with the ability to play it in a window in 2003.

Not to beat a point after it's already dead,but someone else made that program, and released it. That is the definition of a "Third Party Program." And, as this entire thread has stated, Third Party Programs are forbidden in the world of Final Fantasy XI. Use one, and you are violating the rules you agreed to. Violate the rules you agreed to, and you deserve to be removed from the society in which you violated the rules. Or, am Istill being unclear as towhat I mean?
RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
And, the fact that there's no Moogle in Selbina is key to my point. In my example, for Omi to have been able to do what he did, he would have had to have used an outside program that allows him to circumvent the coding for the game. I don't deal in "if." "If" SquareEnix wanted players of Final Fantasy XI to play their game in a window, SquareEnix would have released the game with the ability to play it in a window in 2003.

That's what I meant.
I wasn't sure if you meant if SE put a moogle in Selbina (which I've seen suggested elsewhere) or if someone was using a utility to change jobs (which is clearly wrong, and would give a massive advantage in many areas).

Not quite sure why I got a massive ratedown for that.... >.>
RE: Rules of the House
# Sep 12 2005 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
S-E says that you can't use third party programs such as the windower. Regardless if it "contains nothing malicious or adventateous to give you advantages over anyone else". You agree to this every single time you play.
third tool
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
ppl like this p*** me off why do u want to cheat on a game its just for fun ppl like that r the ones that make reck the game for every 1 else i think that they sould have more than not being able to use there accounts done to them
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 11 2005 at 10:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) http://ffxi.archbell.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12456#12456
third party tools
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
It's not the fact of how good windower is to many. It's the fact that windower is in part used along with other programs used to do malicious things to FFXI. It only makes sense they'll try to get rid of windower and eliminate the need to try and use hacks while running the game.
SE
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
i just wanted to say this.. they find and ban all those ppl in a short time and yet right in the rules AltimitEin found
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(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging “gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time, characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to, any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere in the world) through any means or venue, including, without limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;

why havnt they done this with all the gil sellers they have been around far longer then this "changing jobs cheat" and they do alot more harm then chagning your job anywhere ie MPKing raising prices and everything else whickh im not getting into.. in closing.. SE good job getting some things done /clap but get the other people of that are ruining are game alot more.
RE: SE
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
why does every topic on allakhazam turn into a 'gil sellers are evil' thread?! GET OVER IT. yes they suck...we have ten thousand posts that confirm your opinion. This is about 3rd party software..NOT GIL SELLING. start a forum and rant there.



p.s. sorry im just sick of reading everythread with a 'who cares about <topic of post>!?! Those ******* gilsellers are the REAL problem...blah blah blah'

dont use 3rd party software. period.
RE: SE
# Sep 12 2005 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
Well on a simple note Calley.. Gilsellers Used Third partay (oh yea i said Partay, call the grammer police!) programs to get a super advantage over anyone esle who as well camped the monster/nm, etc. Gilsellers oh course not Evil, but merely just a lil pest, like everyone is saying in this form atm Get over it!. Their was a rumor that gilsellers thirdparty windowed programs allowed one person to control 3-14 other accounts telling teh squae system ithey were on differnt pings. But of course this wasnt quite proven as a square offical researched. Another rumor was that gilsellers had windowers that could pretime a Pop of a Npc. Well that sounds like honest lies to me, just past humors none the less. The TP windower program was really cheating. Your in Ballista yor in a pt i surpose, you see your buddy has luts say 234% TP, Well its teh grand finish for whoever got pwned by that sc. thank god in the heavens that this program got caned before te Ballista battle royale that is coming up that would totally be a disdavantage skill or not. Call i do not know what i am talking about all you wish, i simply like a orange juice brand dont care about how you think my taste is. Just Drink it!
RE: SE
# Sep 11 2005 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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its a lot harder to track gil sellers.

for instance.

i could sell my account to someone, or sell gil to someone else, or items, or whatever.

square would never know.

as far as theyre concerned, i just delivered something to a fellow gamer out of the kindness of my heart.

and i really dont think theyre as concerned because selling gil doesnt affect the playability of the game.

hacks and 3rd party programs, however, do. they change and warp the code.


has anyone ever used a gameshark or a game genie?

they do the same thing, and they always ALWAYS create a glitch or two.

but now im ranting and getting off subject.
RE: SE
# Sep 12 2005 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
I agree, it's in the best interest of EVERYONE that they put an end to all these 3rd Party hacking programs (windowers not included since it does not mess with the games code) and I can definatly recall using the gameshark code for FFVII that let you have Sephiroth in your PT totally messing with the code. As soon as I moved his position in the team the screen went blocky and my game save was all but permantly fudged up.
Imagine that happening in FFXI, somebody uses the warp hack to get to a NM but an un-expected error occurs and everyones character data gets damaged beyond repair or maybe even that server itself, which would most likely lead to it being shut down permanetly.
It's definatly a stretch to imagine for some people, but those who've expirenced game glitches due to code hacks or are computor code savvy should see that it's too big of a risk to take and full heartedly support S-E even if it means some benign programs like Windowers get lost in the process.

Edited, Mon Sep 12 15:36:43 2005
RE: SE
# Sep 12 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent


Edited, Mon Sep 12 15:34:16 2005
tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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it appears to me that most of the problem stems from 2 things.

1. immature little ******** who, when not appeased by whatever goes wrong in life, whine and complain on a website not watched by SE, thinking that maybe they will get somewhere by flaming and spamming their immaturities.

-or-

2. people who dont take the time to read all of the "legal mumbo jumbo" before clicking the little box that says "i agree".

i wonder if this is a problem in japan, europe, or anywhere else for that matter too.

but its probably just us whiny americans, used to everything going our way.

^.^

Edited, Sun Sep 11 20:36:21 2005
RE: tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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p.s.

i play on a ps2.

i also have a computer.

but i only have one modem...

how do i live you ask?

i either figure stuff out for myself, or i take the time to log off, unhook the modem, bring it upstairs to my computer, do what i gotta do, unhook it, take it back downstairs, plug it back in, and log on again.

and i get by just fine.

RE: tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 12 2005 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
Just get a router.
RE: tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 14 2005 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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well, the problem is, im in college, and i am paying 14.95 a month for this game.

3000.00+(15.00*3)=$3045.00 per semester=$$0000.00 in my pocket.

no router until i get that 180k/year dream job that UofM better get me.

^.^
RE: tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 11 2005 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
blah what a work out lol
RE: tsk tsk tsk
# Sep 14 2005 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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ill say

i bet im the most ripped of any mmorpg player out there

(but that probably isnt saying much)

^.^
Great job SE
# Sep 11 2005 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
Having just started to play this game. I'm happy to say that I just wish that Blizzard would take actions like this. Great job SE. Keep it up.


Lord Jokkeflex
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 11 2005 at 2:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Everyone PLEASE stfu about the windower. Some people seem to be pulling arguments out of their ***. The 600 acocunts suspended/terminated were about the job changing thing, and some people seem to think that they were because of the windower for some reason.
Another opinion for the slew
# Sep 11 2005 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
48 posts
I'm sypathetic to people who only use the Windower for convenience. I admit that there are times in-game that I wish I could switch to another program for a moment without exitting FFXI. Unfortunatly, the fact that using it can get your account banned must be considered. If you're willing to take that risk, go right ahead. Just don't complain if you have to face the consequences.

SE can't afford to let the Windower slide. While most people don't use it to cheat, the fact is that it has the potential to be used for cheating, as seen in the new TP viewing feature of whichever Windower that is. Regardless of how useful that is, it's still information that normal pleyers don't have access to, and is an obscure form of cheating. Beyond that, SE doesn't know every little thing about the program - and neither do most of you. For all they know, it could be causing server problems. That's why all 3rd-party software is against the ToS. Even in itself, Windowing functionality is clearly something that SE didn't want available. Regardless of their reasoning behind it, they didn't want people playing FFXI in a window, so even the basic Windower functionality is changing the game in a way that it was not intended to be played.

There's nothing to be done about it. You could either work hard and petition SE to implement their own Windowing function in a future update, or go use the 3rd party Windower at the risk of being banned (or just put up with not having it). Just remember, playing the game is your choice, as is how you choose to play the game. If you decide that having the Windower is worth the risk of being banned, go for it. You get banned, too bad; that'll be your fault too.
hmm
# Sep 11 2005 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks for that Suare-Enix...
It's their game
# Sep 11 2005 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
You all have to realize that you are playing SE's game... If they want to fix something, they'll fix it, they want to ban you, they'll ban you, it's their game and they make the rules. If you don't like it, quit. You agreeded to their Terms of Use, so you have to follow that or they will do what they want with you. Don't complain because you broke their rules, your the one at fault and like I said... don't like them, then quit.
RE: It's their game
# Sep 11 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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My thoughts exactly. Plus, Square-Enix is generally concerned about their bottom line. They generally are trying the things that would increase their profit margin--that is, they cater to the people that generate the most profits for them. Obviously, cheaters do not fall under this category, so, if you don't like what they're doing, I'm not going to shed a tear if you leave.
Here ya go.
# Sep 11 2005 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Dug around a bit and C&Ped this, For those wondering.



3.1 Prohibited Activities.
You may not use the Game or PlayOnline for any activities that are illegal, fraudulent, or a violation of the rights of any third party. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any other rights or remedies that SEI may have, be cause for immediate termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or any other services) in connection therewith:

(a) Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging “gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time, characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to, any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere in the world) through any means or venue, including, without limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
(b) The use of or participation in the Game for the purpose, in furtherance of, or in preparation for committing any illegal acts (including, by way of example but not limitation, any kind of gambling) or otherwise violating any applicable local, state, national or international law, or any rules or regulations promulgated thereunder;
(c) The interference with or disruption of the Game or the PlayOnline Service or any servers or networks connected thereto, or the failure to obey any procedures, policies, regulations or other requirements of any networks connected to the PlayOnline Service;
(d) The unauthorized use, duplication, transmission, display, performance or distribution of any items owned by you or third parties, or any other commission of any act of copyright, trademark, or patent infringement, trade secret infringement or misappropriation, or any other violation of any intellectual property or other proprietary right;
(e) The impersonation or attempted impersonation of any employee of SEI or any SEI partner or affiliate, any other user of the Game or the PlayOnline Service, or any other person, in a manner intended to deceive or mislead any third party, or in any effort to access the account of another Game player or PlayOnline user;
(f) The use of the Game or the PlayOnline Service to harass any third party, including other users of the Game and PlayOnline Service, or to solicit, encourage or threaten bodily harm or destruction of property; and
(g) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices.
3.2 Indemnification.
You agree to indemnify, defend and hold SEI harmless from and against any and all claims, suits, actions, expenses, attorney and other legal fees and costs arising from your commission of any acts or activities prohibited by this Article 3.


Lol it seems as if Gambling is Also shunned, But I see so many Jeuno Casinos XD.

Edited, Sun Sep 11 08:12:39 2005
RE: Here ya go.
# Sep 11 2005 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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(g) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices.


Cheat Codes?!?!?

Wait, this game has cheat codes? What have I been missing?

/em logs in and presses "Up up down down left right left right B A Start"
/em receives 100 million gil

Wahooo!
RE: Here ya go.
# Sep 11 2005 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
Doom cheat codes
IDDQD ~ God mode
IDkfa ~ all items

lol
RE: Here ya go.
# Sep 12 2005 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
~memories...~

God I remember the good old days
RE: Here ya go.
# Sep 12 2005 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
they werethe best days. you couldnt sell your BFG could ya XD
...
# Sep 11 2005 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
PS2 ftw! =P No need to worry about that windower garbage and all that third party jazz. =D
Ummmm
# Sep 11 2005 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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If any of you actually bothered to read the post by SE, you'd see that the cheat in question is alowing people to change their job anywhere in Vanadiel.

So yes, people doing that deserve to be banned.

As for the windower, it's unathorised.
You have no idea of what trouble third party software can cause to a program. And sure, some people who use it are using it just to be able to have net access and see Alla at the same time as playing.
But SE HAVE to stop people using third party software cos they're the ones who get the complaints if the game stops working.
is Windower cheating?
# Sep 11 2005 at 3:16 AM Rating: Decent


Edited, Sun Sep 11 04:46:33 2005
RE: is Windower cheating?
# Sep 11 2005 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Quite honestly Yes it is. It is a third party tool.
But i do beleive that SE should consider REAL HARD about making a legit one!
Thats my opinion!
windower
# Sep 11 2005 at 2:33 AM Rating: Default
even without a windower to alt-tab with, programs in the background can be accessed using global hot keys. For example when playing on PC i can turn on abd off my MP3 player without exiting the game or using a windower. I was able to do this with my very limited programming knowledge relatively easily. Not really important just a little FYI for all of you.
Cheat programs should be you banned. Period
# Sep 10 2005 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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If you are using a third party program to help you in the game, you should be banned. Period. No questions asked, none needed. Those are the rules, that's the way it goes. You don't like it, you don't have to play it. They are called CHEAT programs for a reason--because they help you cheat.
I, for one, am clapping my hands, and cheering out loud that SE takes the time to get rid of people who take an unfair advantage to get ahead rather than working hard for it like the rest of us.
I might get rated down for my thoughts, but those are my thoughts and I'm entitled to them.
If you got banned because you were cheating, then I laugh in your face, dance on your keyboard, and basically give you a big 'ole "TOLD YOU SO!" smile.
Have a nice day.
RE: Cheat programs should be you banned. Period
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
I whole heartedly agree, where is the challenge and fun in a game when you cheat??

where is the satisfaction gained from advancing your character, the thrill of discovering new abilities and items?

/cheer SE

rate up WOOT
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 10 2005 at 11:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yea, true...cheating is retarded if you use it and it gives you an unfair advantage (i.e. claiming mobs, avoiding aggro...) but if you do it in one instance and get banned as a result, that's pretty ****** up. How would you feel if you were just looking to see what something did and, BAM, some ******* reports you and you're banned instantly. I've seen people get suspended for using FleeTool in La Theine; they were just looking to see what it did, why the **** would you report someone? You're all retarded for caring, and you should all be banned; reason: for being so ******* conceited. Everyone's going to rate you up but all you posted is, "people aren't playing the way I am, so they should be banned." zoinks, you're a ******!
RE: Cheat programs should be you banned. Period
# Sep 10 2005 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Rated up! Cheaters sucks!
You all deserve to be suspended. No wait, BANNED!ROFL
RE: Cheat programs should be you banned. Period
# Sep 10 2005 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
Rate up x16!
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 10 2005 at 8:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Edited, Sun Sep 11 13:26:21 2005
RE: Gay
# Sep 11 2005 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Hey your friend used the codes. How the !@&# is SE suppose to stop people from makeing the cheats may i ask? Go door to door all over the world and do full home searches for hacker code?? Dude what are you 5?!? All they can do is punish the people that are using the cheats! Case in point your buddy! Look, be glad you didn't use them and still can play. And how "Loyal" of a player is your buddy when he's breaking the rules! Get over it!!

Edited, Sun Sep 11 11:22:49 2005
RE: Gay
# Sep 11 2005 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
Umm... You must be a smart one. X-D
RE: Gay
# Sep 10 2005 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Quit whining dude. You sound like a small kid. SE made a great game. You played their game, your frd cheats, and you blaming SE?lol

Get a Life~lol

If noone steals, who will catch?
If noone cheats, would SE even bother?
You cheaters are costing way too much trouble for SE AND gamers like us. We work hard to get what we have to see you cheaters morph better than us. Cheaters sucks!lol :D
RE: Gay
# Sep 10 2005 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your "good friend" was a cheater and is being treated as such. Its not Squares fault someone made the program. Its your "good friend's" fault for having the lack of morals to not cheat. But then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including you.
/clap
# Sep 10 2005 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Regardless right or wrong... By joining the game you agree to their EULA. You do not have to play but to play you have to agree to their EULA. They say it's supposed to be this way and you decide to play it another way, you break their EULA. Right, wrong or otherwise, that's the way it is.
RE: /clap
# Sep 10 2005 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, SE should fix the network issues that keep knocking people off before worrying about all these other issues! I've been in several parties over the last week and d/c are happening to everyone in them. You end up losing your team mate not to death to death but to d/c and then you die and lose XP. This isn't happening a few times but time after time.

SE should get their priorities straight. Connection and keeping the game running comes first before worrying about this other stuff. Maybe the rest of you are next door to the servers but the people in my static, my LS, and those in my parties are not next door to the servers! We're gettting d/c!

Maybe the solution is WORLDWIDE servers EVERYWHERE not just in JAPAN!!!! By this I mean, put the servers in the US, Europe, and keep them in Japan.

Bottom line, though, is SE priority this week is incorrect!

IBHalliwell - Using a PS2 (so no hacks) but d/c and deaths!
RE: /clap
# Sep 24 2005 at 6:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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WOW!! What did I do to rate this much of a rate down????

IBHalliwell - never knew I offended so many people who wouldn't tell me so ...
RE: /clap
# Sep 11 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Default
the problem is the entire game is based on code. the code that SE made is dame near perfect. yet these windowers people are using are viruses that change the code. and sinve ever person is linked to the server, you upload the virus on your computer and it infects the server and whalla you have server problems. SE is fixing the server problems by getting rid of those who have the audasity to upload viruses on their equiptment.

i for one am glad they are doing this. if you cant follow rules then you need to be punished. i'm glad SE is doin what they can to make the gaming environment a better place for me.
RE: /clap
# Sep 11 2005 at 9:58 PM Rating: Default
Theyre not doing it for you...
Theyre doing it for ME :P
RE: /clap
# Sep 11 2005 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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ummmm Did you ever think that all these programs that are changing what the game was programmed to do could be causeing the d/c'ing?? HMM let me think..SE wrote the game code.. Professionals(sp) Now Johnny wanna-be hacker writes more code to "modify" SE's code..Gee i doubt Johnny went to collage to learn how to properly write code..And i doubt Johnny even knows all he need to know about SE's code. Therefor he might as well be writing a virus..Cause all its gonna do is show up in the script and not be reconized and while the game is trying to figure out what Johnny did its making room for it to react by kicking off other ppl. hmmmmmmm
RE: /clap
# Sep 11 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
blah guy/girl you think that Johnny is still in mommys basement? Most of these peeps are. their life itself has no way to upgrowth so they *sexually* inhance their gaming production with a mass production of *hacks* botting or what not. Yea Johnny been a bad bad boi. Square is slaming down the rulers as we speak we cant get angery or anythig really til we see what square has in their bag of trickys. Time+effort=suscess (all right!) allways like a HQ syth. Times time and progress to fit the bill i cant doubt square tehy havnt failed yet to disappoint me with this game. I love it to death not addiction but work and rewards for me. I am sqaures biotch, give me the cookie i will roll over and maybe playdead who knows it has too be one good darn cookie. But heres a cookie for you Deminious *goes into pocket and gives a Rate up ginger cookie*
RE: /clap
# Sep 10 2005 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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have you consider that this might be the cause of network problem?
lol
# Sep 10 2005 at 6:23 PM Rating: Default
OMGAH U CAN CHEAT IF U HAVE A WINDOWER?!!!$!112341`#@!#%$! Hacks inject themselfs into the process when the game is loaded into memory. There is gonna be cheaters in every game.

Look at this.

In every other game u can alt tab and nothing happens. They have cheaters all the same.

We have it so you cant alt tab. And we have Cheaters. Hell we got bigger cheating going on and we have alt tab. Its a simple fact. It is not possible to prevent the windower either. If you know how the windower works you know that SE cannot tell your using a windower.. Because the game is runing full screen =)
RE: lol
# Sep 11 2005 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Windower, no, that SE can't tell anything about. But some of these other's like the Flee program and this one SE CAN tell. If a person is running faster than they should be able to, if the person is in sky and is one job one moment and another the next, or suddenly appears on the other side of the map in a second, SE CAN see that and pretty easily figure out they're cheating.

Windower can't be easily determined because it simply reads incomming info and interrupts it into the information displayed as well as allowing FFXI to be windowed, it doesn't send information like these other's do.
RE: lol
# Sep 11 2005 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Windower, no, that SE can't tell anything about. But some of these other's like the Flee program and this one SE CAN tell. If a person is running faster than they should be able to, if the person is in sky and is one job one moment and another the next, or suddenly appears on the other side of the map in a second, SE CAN see that and pretty easily figure out they're cheating.


And they should be found out and banned permanently. About this I /applaud Square. Good to know they're trying to make the game experience better for us.

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Windower can't be easily determined because it simply reads incomming info and interrupts it into the information displayed as well as allowing FFXI to be windowed, it doesn't send information like these other's do.


Here here!

People need to look at it from Square's perspective. They have to watch what they do. Blizzard banned a bunch of people from WoW for using a bot program, but the proof they had was they used the WoW executable to examine the other running processes on people's computer. They're not legally allowed to do this, so they had a few people threaten legal action and had to lift the ban. It looks like Square is smarter and keeps a tight legal ship, which is good.
RE: lol
# Sep 12 2005 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
Windower can't be easily determined because it simply reads incomming info and interrupts it into the information displayed as well as allowing FFXI to be windowed, it doesn't send information like these other's do.

Wrong

Doesnt read. Doesnt do any interruption. It doesnt allow FFXI to be windowed. The FFXI runs full screen. Plz learn how the windower works. It creates an enviroment for the game. Thats all it does. Its basicly. Windows runing in a window on windows. That is why it will never be able to be prevented. There is no possible way for them to do it.

And all of the cheats dont need window, it just helps out. SE needs to work on preventing cheating on there end. Not ours. These cheats shouldnt be possible.
#REDACTED, Posted: Sep 10 2005 at 4:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't let this ***** scare you... I've used a windower since the first one was availible and it has never been a problem for me. IMHO, FFXI for PC should have a windowed mode anyway: an opinion others share as well. Why? It's my fcukin' computer...not Square's.
RE: Stay below the Radar...
# Sep 10 2005 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
Actually, a FFXI windower = bad. No matter how much you people try and spin it, your breaking the rules. I really wouldn't have as much problem with this windower as I do if people would just admit that they are indeed cheating instead of trying to sugar coat it.
RE: Stay below the Radar...
# Sep 10 2005 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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lots of hacks r accessed by running programs in the background...

alt+tab allows hackers to use these programs = hacks in ffxi

no alt+tab = no way for hackers to access backgroundsoftware and tamper with ffxi

being able to alt+tab ruined every online command and conquer game.. know why? cus every1 cud alt+tab alter some settings on a 3rd paty program inserted in command conquer game file, and all of a sudden has infinite money! if alt+tab wasnt available.. those cheats wudnt exists,, cnc wud stil b great... point is, having a windower is the exact thing that ruins other online games.. SE picks up on this..they dont want ffxi to be ruined too.. and solve the problem by not allowing alt+tab

ok im done
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RE: Stay below the Radar...
# Sep 11 2005 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
Actually...

No alt-tab != no hacks. It's a simple matter to pull the memory values that FFXI uses and program a hack interface to overlay directly into the game. A Direct3d window is NOT that hard to draw onto! It's a wonder square thinks that making the window title random will make any difference. All the hackers have to do is make their program say: "Ok the next window that opens is FFXI, so hack that up."

I think people need to just start playing the game. There's really no reason to cheat, I always seem to have enough gil to get by. I don't buy fancy stuff that costs millions, but all I have to do is say hi to my awesome linkshell and we can get any NM drops I need.
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