Cataclysm Rogue & Death Knight Changes

Blizzard unveils the proposed revamp to two more classes

First, the Shaman and Warlock, then the Priest and Warrior. Now the Rogue and Death Knight class changes have been revealed for the upcoming Cataclysm expansion pack for World of Warcraft.

New Death Knight Abilities

Outbreak (level 81): Outbreak infects the target with both Frost Fever and Blood Plague at no rune cost. This ability allows death knights to apply diseases quickly when they are switching targets or when their diseases have been dispelled.

Necrotic Strike (level 83):
Necrotic Strike is a new attack that deals weapon damage and applies a debuff that absorbs an amount of healing based on the damage done. For context, imagine that the death knight can choose between doing 8,000 damage outright with a certain ability, or dealing 6,000 damage and absorbing 4,000 points in incoming heals with Necrotic Strike -- the burst is smaller, but a larger overall amount of healing would be required to bring the target back to full health.

This ability is meant to bring back some of the old flavor from when death knights could dispel heal-over-time (HoT) effects. It also gives the class a bit more PvP utility without simply replicating a Mortal Strike-style effect.

Dark Simulacrum (level 85):
The death knight strikes a target, applying a debuff that allows the death knight to copy the opponent's next spell cast and unleash it. Unlike Spell Reflection, Dark Simulacrum does not cancel the incoming spell. In general, if you can't reflect an ability, you won't be able to copy it either.

Rune System Changes

  • While we're satisfied with the way the rune system works overall, we're making a few major changes to the mechanics that will ultimately help death knight players feel less constrained. Here's the rationale behind the changes, followed by an explanation of how the new system will work.
  • In the current rune system, any time a rune is sitting idle, death knights are losing out on potential damage output. By comparison, rogues spend most of their time at low energy levels, and if they're unable to use their skills for a few seconds, that energy builds up and can be spent later, minimizing the net loss from the interruption.
  • A death knight's runes, on the other hand, cannot be used until they are fully active. If a death knight ever goes more than a few seconds without spending an available rune, that resource is essentially wasted. Because the death knight is pushing buttons constantly, it can be difficult to add new mechanics to the class because the player doesn't have any free global cooldowns to use them. We can't grant extra resources or reduced cost, because there is no time to spend them. Missing an attack is devastating, and it's impossible to save resources for when they're most useful.
  • Additionally, each individual death knight ability has a fairly low impact on its own, making it feel like most of the death knight's attacks are weak. The death knight's rotations are also more easily affected by latency or a player's timing being just a little off. At times, it feels like death knights aren't able to take advantage of their unique resource mechanic, which can diminish the fun.
  • The new rune system will change how runes regenerate, from filling simultaneously to filling sequentially. For example, if you use two Blood runes, then the first rune will fill up before the second one starts to fill up. Essentially, you have three sets of runes filling every 10 seconds instead of six individual runes filling every 10 seconds. (Haste will cause runes to fill faster.) Another way to think of this is having three runes that go up to 200% each (allowing extra "storage"), rather than six runes that go up to 100% each.
  • As this is a major change to the death knight's mechanics, it will of course require us to retune many of the class's current abilities. For example, each ability needs to hit harder or otherwise be more meaningful since the death knight is getting fewer resources per unit of time. Some abilities will need to have their costs reduced as a result.

Talent Changes

Next we'll outline some of the death knight talent-tree changes we're planning in Cataclysm. This list is by no means comprehensive, but it should give you a sense of how we're intending each death knight spec to perform.

  • One of the biggest changes we're making is converting Blood into a dedicated tanking tree. While we feel that having three tanking trees was successful overall, it's less necessary in a world with dual-specialization. In addition, the current breakdown isn't as compatible with the Mastery-based passive talent-tree bonuses we want to add (see below). We'd rather spend time tweaking and balancing one good tanking tree rather than having a tank always wondering if they picked the "correct" tree out of three possibilities.
  • Blood seemed like the best fit for tanking. Unholy has always had a strong niche with diseases, magic, and command over pets. Frost now feels like a solid dual-wield tree with Frost magic damage and decent crowd control. Blood's niche was self-healing -- fitting for a tank -- as well as strong weapon swings, which could easily be migrated to Frost and Unholy.
  • Our plan is to move the most interesting and fun tanking talents and abilities to Blood. For example, you will likely see Vampiric Blood and Will of the Necropolis remain, while Bone Shield will move over from Unholy.

Mastery Passive Talent Tree Bonuses

Blood

  • Damage reduction
  • Vengeance
  • Healing Absorption

Healing Absorption: When you heal yourself, you'll receive an additional effect that absorbs incoming damage.

Vengeance: This new mechanic is designed to ensure that tank damage output (and therefore threat) doesn't fall behind as damage-dealing classes improve their gear during the course of the expansion. All tanking specs will have Vengeance as their second talent tree passive bonus. Whenever a tank gets hit, Vengeance will grant a stacking Attack Power buff equal to 5% of the damage done, up to a maximum of 10% of the character's unbuffed health. For boss encounters, we expect that tanks will always have an Attack Power bonus equal to 10% of their health. The 5% and 10% bonuses assume 51 talent points have been put into the Blood tree; these values will be smaller at lower levels.

You only get the Vengeance bonus if you have spent the most talent points in the Blood tree, so you won't see Frost or Unholy death knights running around with it. Vengeance will let us continue to design tank gear more or less the way we do today; there will be some damage-dealing stats, but mostly survival-oriented stats. Druids typically have more damage-dealing stats even on their tanking gear, so their Vengeance benefit may be smaller, but the goal is that all four tanks will do about the same damage when tanking.

Frost

  • Melee damage
  • Melee Haste
  • Runic Power Generation

Runic Power Generation: This will function as the name implies, and the new rune system will make generating Runic Power more appealing.

Unholy

  • Melee damage
  • Melee and spell critical damage
  • Disease Damage

Disease Damage: Unholy death knights will be able to get more out of their diseases, which are integral to the tree's play style.

A few points of clarification:

  • We want to provide a 2-handed style for Frost since we recognize that pets are an acquired taste. We think we have the design space to do that now that we don’t need to support Frost tanking. We’re definitely committed to making Frost work as a dual-wield tree though -- that isn’t going away.
  • Outbreak is free with a 1-minute cooldown. It’s not supposed to completely replace Plague Strike and Icy Touch.
  • We’re not sure how we’re going to handle presences yet. We recognize the oddness of Blood death knights playing in Frost Presence and Frost death knights not playing in Frost Presences. We might rename the presences or take some other action.

An explanation of the new Rune mechanics from Ghostcrawler:

I'll take a stab at explaining the rune mechanic. Once you see it in action, it's pretty easy to understand.

Just focus on Blood Runes for the moment. The big change is that rune #2 will never start filling up until rune #1 is full. They always fill 1 then 2. Today 1 and 2 can both fill at the same time.

In Cataclysm, when you're killing things, you use rune 1. Then any extra "red" in rune 2 will fill rune 1 back up again. If both of them are full, you can use 2 Blood Runes immediately. But after that, rune 1 will fill up first and then rune 2. If it helps, imagine rune 2 is the extra tank.

This sounds like it will slow down DK attacks, and it will to a point. That's part of what we're trying to accomplish. We can then fill those extra GCDs with things like free abilities or runic power abilities or we have room to add talents that make runes fill faster. Remember, slow attacks can hit harder though. Instead of DKs hitting fast like a rogue, they'll hit slower and harder, like a warrior, which fits a lot of player's image of a DK anyway. Dual wield will hit faster of course.

I'll try another comparison. Imagine that all rogue abilities cost 100 energy. They have to wait until they get 100 energy, and then immediately use an attack so that they aren't wasting future energy. That's how DKs play now, except they have 6 runes to watch. Now imagine the same rogue except all his abilities cost 50 energy. If he hits an attack when he has 60 energy, then 50 is consumed but he has 10 energy still left and a head start on the next attack. That's the way we want DKs to play.

If that still doesn't make sense, then focus on what the experience will be, which is that you'll have more breathing room in your rotation and won't have to hit a button every single GCD. If you don't use a strike the second it's available, that's more okay because the extra tank will store extra rune resources rather than just wasting it. You'll still be hitting a lot of buttons though. We're keeping double rune strikes and Death Runes and disease multipliers and all of that. We'll have to make some changes in some abilities to accommodate the resource change, but it won't be unrecognizable to you.

We're not sure DKs even need Rune Strike any longer. If it survives, we'll turn it into an instant swing. But if we turn it into an instant swing, then it really isn't that different from existing strikes so it's possible we can just make a tanking rotation without it.

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# Apr 10 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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So if they are going to give Rogues the ability to use Combo Points off of Dead Targets for things like Slice and Dice, why not give it to Cat Druids and Savage Roar?

Cat Druid is _the_ hardest DPS to play, period and they could really use some love here... let's hope that they do something like this to them too. I can't even use Savage Roar half of the time; things die before I get it off, even in solo PvE. I run up to something, rake it, then mangle it once or twice and its laying there dead with 3-5 combo points on it and I can't use Savage Roar... in groups, trash packs die too quickly for me to get up more than 1-2 CP on it. If I pick an off-target, I end up getting hit and getting yelled at by the tank.
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# Apr 10 2010 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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# Apr 10 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, that's awesome news.

I like their viewpoint behind this, not everyone wants to crunch numbers and try to come up with addons that tell you what to hit when... some people want to just relax after a long, hard workday and not have to worry about doing everything JUST right, and not suck. lol.

At the very least, using SR after something with CPs on it died would be an excellent start.
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# Apr 09 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
It upsets me a bit to know that they're changing from what seems to me to be a fairly good idea of Presence and Role matchups (Frost being Tank, Blood being a DPS, and Unholy being a DPS/PVP). With all the effort put forth by thousands of DK's in the game world using this as a platform to mold their favorite play role and style, I'm sure I can't be the only one. Though Blizzard does have a valid point. With Frost being a mainly Dual wield spec which would coincide with a potentially better DPS with a bunch of changes I would really honestly hope that they would add to the Blood spec an ability to use shields and possibly a 2h weapon in the main hand. I don't have much input on the Unholy tree at all, but I would hope that if they think that Blood would be a better Tank than Frost, they would give them some better buffs as they do Pally tanks.

Do you agree with switching the DPS and Tank rolls for Blood and Frost?


Edited, Apr 9th 2010 12:30pm by Andolgeist
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# Apr 09 2010 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
...why does every one think a tank MUST have a shield.....I would much rather see something akin to Lineage II where if you used a shield you lost evasion but gained p.def and of course the ability to block.

I'd love to use a 2hand on my paladin and gain extra dodge and parry as a passive bonus (availible to all shield-users...yes...even shamans :P) that makes up for the loss of Block. DKs already proved it's possible to tank with lower-than-druid HP and not use a shield.

When you think about it WoW is very....limiting when it comes to play style.
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# Apr 09 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, I always preferred tanking with a blood-based hybrid. The lifesteal was, in my opinion, worthwhile given the amount of DPS that death knights can put out in general, and the other self-healing/raid healing abilities were good in tight corners. Also, Heart Strike was good for threat.

While I can see why people would prefer the other specs, making Blood a tank spec is the way I would have gone.
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