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#1 Jun 22 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
Not long ago I made a druid and at level 15 decided I wanted to level to 80, with out getting the 100 quest achivment. Well I am now level 31 and have been threw more Scarlet Graveyards and RFCs then I thought was possible and now I have a question.

Is tanking as a druid at 80 accepted. I know this might seem like a stupid question but on my main I rarely see any Druid tanks in ICC pugs or even VoA pugs for that matter. Are druids bad tanks, or are they just better dps/healers? Or is it just a mater of people liking Moonkins, cats, and trees more then bears?
#2 Jun 22 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
Tanking as a druid is currently quite boring compared to other classes. Very few abilities & CDs etc. Add to that the fact that ferals (and boomkins as of their recent buff) can do fantastic DPS and are much more complex and interesting to play and there is a drop in the number of people who prefer to tank as a bear.

All that will likely (hopefully?) change in Cataclysm though. Also, with dualspec you can really be able to just do what you like.

#3 Jun 22 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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My server has a few other dedicated bear tanks.

Most of them do DPS or heal though or only tank heroics.
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#4 Jun 25 2010 at 5:49 AM Rating: Default
Well thanks for the help. I do find tanking get repedative, so I tend to feral dps some instances too. Unfortunatly every time I sign up to dps, the tank leave/dc and I have to tank anyways. /facepalm
#5 Jun 25 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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I've recently started bear-tanking in an ICC-10 group and while it's certainly the easiest rotation (I've tanked with all 4 classes) and gets boring pretty quickly, there's a side benefit: It's a lot easier to see what else is going on. You can watch the raid, call out important timers and incoming, etc far easier when you're not watching cooldowns, procs and runes.

Sure, with the right macro you basically spam one button most of the time. But having the ability to retain optimal threat without distraction is kinda nice. Especially great if you're raid leading (which I'm not right now, but have in the past).

Just wanted to add that little tid bit. Cheers!
#6 Jun 28 2010 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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TherionSaysWhat wrote:
I've recently started bear-tanking in an ICC-10 group and while it's certainly the easiest rotation (I've tanked with all 4 classes) and gets boring pretty quickly, there's a side benefit: It's a lot easier to see what else is going on. You can watch the raid, call out important timers and incoming, etc far easier when you're not watching cooldowns, procs and runes.

Sure, with the right macro you basically spam one button most of the time. But having the ability to retain optimal threat without distraction is kinda nice. Especially great if you're raid leading (which I'm not right now, but have in the past).

Just wanted to add that little tid bit. Cheers!


So what is the 1 button rotation that maximizes threat?
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#7 Jun 28 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
So what is the 1 button rotation that maximizes threat?


#showtooltip
/cast Lacerate

True story, Horse.

On a serious note, I'm guessing it's something like:

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/castsequence Faerie Fire (Feral), Mangle (Bear), Lacerate, Lacerate, Lacerate
/cast !Maul

Or something like that.

Though theoretically, considering T10 and all, you'd get more from spamming Swipe instead of Lacerate once you've got it stacked, only using Lacerate once in a while to refresh. Because of that conditional, I'm guessing there's no max threat macro available, just a "keybind all keys to this macro and /facedesk to win"

Edited, Jun 28th 2010 10:51pm by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
Though theoretically, considering T10 and all, since early ToC/late Ulduar you'd get more from spamming Swipe instead of Lacerate once you've got it stacked, only using Lacerate once in a while to refresh. Because of that conditional, I'm guessing there's no max threat macro available, just a "keybind all keys to this macro and /facedesk to win"

Edited, Jun 28th 2010 10:51pm by Mazra


I've been on the Swipe program for a while now.

Also the macros never have Demo in them.

They also can easily get messed up with transitions, movement and adds. Cast sequence macros are bad.

I've noticed that in general Demo up time is very low for many tanks. Makes me sad.
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#9 Jun 29 2010 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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Yayaya, I know Swipe is sexy.

Horsemouth wrote:
I've noticed that in general Demo up time is very low for many tanks. Makes me sad.


Well, when you've got DPS breathing down your neck to do more and do it faster, you kinda tend to prioritize the extra Swipe instead of Demoralizing Roar.

If there's a Ret Paladin or Warrior in the group, they can do it.
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Mazra wrote:
Yayaya, I know Swipe is sexy.

Horsemouth wrote:
I've noticed that in general Demo up time is very low for many tanks. Makes me sad.


Well, when you've got DPS breathing down your neck to do more and do it faster, you kinda tend to prioritize the extra Swipe instead of Demoralizing Roar.

If there's a Ret Paladin or Warrior in the group, they can do it.


My Demo is better than standard Ret Demo and War Demo. Also 90% of the time I see Demo it is from un-Imp Demo via Ret/Prot. I like better boss debuffs, makes them hurt less and me die less.

I don't like dieing and as a tank it is my job to gear/spec to make that not happen.
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#11 Jun 29 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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You can use PowerAuras (and other similar addons) to either announce when your target isn't Demo debuffed, or to keep up a timer showing the debuff active. Also good for tracking Lacerate stacks, Rip/Rake timers, Roar, etc.

Not at my gaming computer now but iirc my tanking macro is:

/castsequence reset=5 [nomod] Mangle (Bear), Lacerate, Lacerate 
/cast [mod] Swipe 
/cast !Maul 


... but I keep FFF in another keybind with a mouseover modifier and pop it whenever it's up (which generally sticks in the last sec of the sequence waiting on cooldown).

/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead] [exists,nodead] Faerie Fire (Feral)



If you're in a regular raid group be sure to coordinate debuffs between your tanks =)
#12 Jun 29 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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TherionSaysWhat wrote:
You can use PowerAuras (and other similar addons) to either announce when your target isn't Demo debuffed, or to keep up a timer showing the debuff active. Also good for tracking Lacerate stacks, Rip/Rake timers, Roar, etc.


I use Bad Kitty to track that stuff, its in a nice little box.
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#13 Jul 08 2010 at 1:17 AM Rating: Decent
Feral tanking has got to be the easiest tanking in the game.

Up until not too long ago bear tanks had the most health out there and mitigation via dodge and talents on par with that of a well geared warrior with none of the range or dps issues and comparable or better panic buttons to boot.

As for their rarity, I think it's just a throw back to the days when the idea of a bear tanking for a raid was a joke and most ferals were under pressure from their guilds to go heal/boom.

When feral tanks were finally made viable, not many druids swapped class due to having already built caster sets and not wishing to/being able to build up decent bear/cat sets.

The difficulty of raising a feral druid at lower levels simply added to this problem - sure, people saw the bear with twice the health of the best warrior they'd ever seen before and were impressed, but that impressed attitude faded somewhere between levels 10 and 30 when its most miserable being a druid.

Now toss in the viability of being a dps kitty (as well as the lack of responsibility - let's face it, it's easier to blend into the crowd as dps then heal/tank) combined with the expense of maintaining two sets of raid level gear, then add the improvements that have put warriors on par or better then us for health and mitigation (especially in IC25 - that dodge debuff sucks) and sadly, the bear tank is becoming an endangered species again.

I don't overly mind though as the rarity just adds to the fun aspect for me - I hear "Woot - bear tank" a lot now a days, probably due to the fact that the only ferals that stay with it are competent - we're an elite club now with a first rate reputation - uphold it and enjoy the woots. ;-)
#14 Jul 08 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
I say "woot bear tank" every time I am doing 5mans as DPS on my pally, warrior or DK as it means free tank loots for me :)

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