Chanters EXPECTED to DE free?Follow

here is the differance between mine/herbs/leather in instances and vendor trash/blues.


if there was no skinner, all the skins would go to waste. same for mine and herbs.

when the boss dies, all 5 people have an equal right to the loot. be it in form of an upgrade, trash for the vendor, or an item for an enchanter to DE.
all 5 people can roll on blue trash, if you win....great you can shard. if i win, i could...let you loot it and shard it for me if you offered, or i can loot it and vendor it for 3-20g or what ever the item is worth to the vendor.

if you dont want to shard for the group, dont let them know you are an enchanter, then set up LOOTING RULES FROM THE START, greed or loot however your group see's fit, if in the end you won and looted items, DE them when you leave the group. problem solved.

Every pug I've been in, if there's a chanter, all the loot (minus need rolls on upgrades) gets passed to him for DE, distribution rolled on at end. Paying the enchanter for this service is just silly. I understand that you had to pay to level up your profession, but that's your choice. You're not selling your profession in the instance like you're standing in Ironforge, you're trying to get the bosses down. Asking the group that just made it possible for you to roll on items, to pay for shards, loses sight of the fact that you couldn't get the loot to DE in the first place without the group.

You didn't look down far enough. The dead horse you want to beat is here. Consensus opinion is "you are a greedy *******".

Edited, May 12th 2009 10:11am by ohmikeghod

I guess that depends on how you feel about the people you're doing it for. Most of my friends/guildies i'd have no problem helping out like this but these are people who have routinely helped me with advice, runs through places, giving bags to start out with. Several of us generally just mail stuff off to each other if the other person can use it even if we're not grouped - just because. So yeah, for people like that I'd DE for free and not complain.

For a buch of randoms who want to strongarm and complain about it, ya, I'd proably not bother either.



Sure you could still do it. All of us without mages manage just fine. Nobody is under any obligation to do any of this extra stuff outside of battle. Is it nice? Sure. And for people who are all in it together to make things run smooth I don't see why you wouldn't. But if people are going to be a bunch of demanding, selfish jackholes about it, why put yourself out?



Seems reasonable to me.

Look! A new and original complaint, where an enchanter complains they don't get all the drops for free in an instance! How novel!

Seriously. Dead horse to the extreme. Your share is that when you get a random item or win a roll, you can turn it into a better item. It costs you nothing to do so for other people besides 3 seconds of your time per item at the end of a run. Get off your high-horse and be kind to your fellow player for once!

(Sorry for the 'tude, but holy moley, this is one of the most selfish and unfortunately common rants enchanters post in here).

Hey now, that’s not at all what the OP said.

OP: offering to DE the BOP drops in an instance run costs you nothing but a little time, makes your group happy, and can earn you tips…*I* certainly always give a little gold to my disenchanter, and I am not alone. Just do it, and then you won’t be bumping noses with people who consider it a duty.

Well said rusttle, well said.

Edited, May 13th 2009 10:04am by danoatnova

Option 1 is that you let people know you can DE, so when something wasteful drops you DE and you and your group roll for the shards which people can use for chants instead of rolling something useless to vendor. Which is also a great opportunity to advertise your chanting services and suggest that people put you on their friend list. Some people will just want to sell the shards so you can probably offer to buy them on the spot if they give you a discount (and people will because time is money).

Option 2 is that you don't say anything, and you just roll greed like the others do, then after the run DE everything you got. There is no problem with doing this, but you should keep your yapper shut about it if you do it, otherwise you're just asking for drama. Or if someone calls you out on being an enchanter it's very easy to say "Yes but I don't have enough skill to DE that item". You can also be honest and say "I don't want to be DEing items if you don't mind" and it's unlikely anyone will go "angry wife mode" on you (unless of course you run with your wife).

Both ways you get about the same outcome in terms of shards. So going for option 1 vs option 2 is just a matter of preference. I know I would go option 1 because I like to make things better, but it's the same anyway.

Demanding that every DE-able item is given to you so that you can shard it and keep the shards is just greedy. If you want that treatment you could try offering gold or something in exchange and see if people accept.

Asking for gold for sharding the items would be ok if you weren't getting rolls on the shard, but the rolls are for you too, not just your teammates, so I really would suggest not going in there. In fact, you are more likely to get 5g by asking for 5g as a favor than by acting like a greedy prick.

You can however ask for gold for doing DE of people's stuff in trade. It sux to put those items in the AH because the AH fee is very high for those items and they don't sell for that much or don't sell at all. My solution is to just stock those items up then offer 20 to 30g to for whoever does the batch DE. This way I get myself cheaper mats for my enchants and the enchanter gets 30g on just mass clicking DE on my mats. It's usually the same chanters I get my enchants from so the same mats tend to just go feedback anyway as I use them to buy more chants from them.


Edited, May 14th 2009 9:21am by xorq

The only modifier I was missing was "bop drops." So sorry. It is what he was saying, almost exactly.

The second half of his complaint has little to do with the first half. The two halves are basically:
1. QQ I don't get all the bops, why do they need them, they sell for trash gold (NOT TRUE).
2. QQ That people ask me to disenchant without tipping! I don't get miners' ore, or skinners' leather! So not fair!

This could simply be summed up as "If you don't want to disenchant, just have everyone roll greed on the item, and if you win one, disenchant it yourself." It bugs me that the OP cannot take 15 seconds of his time at the end of a run to disenchant some items, AND that he thinks he somehow should get these items simply because he can disenchant.

As for the "trash" gold for vendoring, it is trash compared to shards, but 5-15 gold is still a nice amount and is common for vendoring level 80 blues. Maybe you can offer to pay the winning members the vendor price of the items? That might work out.

Edit: Looks like someone was offended by what I wrote. The OP wrote a complaining post on a dead-horse topic that already had the same topic ON THE FIRST PAGE.

Edited, May 14th 2009 11:33am by LockeColeMA

So you run heroics every chance you get but you generally only do heroics if you're asked to. You don't need shards, yet you think it's common courtesy for people to pass them to you. Needing epics that you're taking for cash, expecting people to gift you shards because your chosen profession requires a bit of investment?

It's a long time since I saw someone as greedy and full of bull as yourself. If you were part of my group, you'd not be staying for long.

No - he just wants the shards from all of the BoP blue/purples that no one needs as upgrades.

I think you are thinking of a different poster that said that. I even went through to search through the OP's posts using the search feature and nothing remotely like that came up that I could find.

That being said, and as it is already a dead horse about 5'11'' deep, I think I will finish off that last inch.

It is up to the enchanter's discretion to DE things for people at the end of runs.
THAT BEING SAID - it is a very common courtesy that when you are there all working together to a common goal that you show the same courtesy that they almost certainly would to DE something of yours or similar. If you had a stack of ore, an uncut gem, or anything like that, and asked me to prospect it or cut it during a run I would happily do so [as long as you are not a douche about it]. We are all there working together to get money/shards/badges and when it is all said and done with everyone /rolling on the shards at the end I see no reason why it is difficult for you to spend an additional 15 seconds inside of an instance DEing a handful of blues and maybe a couple of greens (although I think almost all of us know someone or have an alt that can DE our BOEs).