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#1 Jan 31 2011 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so I've been telling myself I'd choose my professions later since I started playing last month and now I'm 85 and doing heroics dungeons so it feels like I should have started this a long while ago lol

I was thinking LW and JC but would like to know how much it would cost to level those using only the AH and no gathering professions?

I got about 6500 gp saved, would that be enough to max one of those or even both?

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#2 Jan 31 2011 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Not even close, at least not on my server. Lower level mats are really high priced, as people don't farm them as much. Plus the end of leatherworking gets super pricey.

Your best bet is to make an alt that is a miner/skinner and have it feed your main.
#3 Jan 31 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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Not even close, at least not on my server. Lower level mats are really high priced, as people don't farm them as much. Plus the end of leatherworking gets super pricey.

Your best bet is to make an alt that is a miner/skinner and have it feed your main.


I'd use a DK for the gathering. You start at a higher level with decent gear and can pick a spec with with a mount speed talent and built in a built in run speed boost.

You will need the boost to get you through the Azeroth portion of the crafting mats as they are very pricey. Outland and Northrend mats are relatively cheap then they get pricey again when you get to Cata levels.

The later parts of Azeroth profession mats are down right brutal to buy outright though.
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#4 Feb 01 2011 at 1:58 AM Rating: Good
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then they get pricey again when you get to Cata levels.
Not sure about the leatherworking, but at least with the jewelcrafting at Cata levels, you can often more or less break even on the leveling if you're both patient and willing to AH the more valuable gems you find while prospecting to pay for the cost of prospecting while leveling off the cheaper ones.
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#5 Feb 01 2011 at 3:53 AM Rating: Good
It's hard to say really, completely depends on your own server's economy. 6500 might be enough to max one, or at least come relatively close. It would definitely be cheaper in the long run to level up an alt (the DK idea is a smart one) and take skinning and mining on it, using the mats it gathers to feed your main's trade skills. But it will also take longer.

Currently I'm leveling engineering and jewelcrafting on my goblin, and I have both maxed for her level at 300 right now. I might have spent 1k gold between both so far. Honestly I haven't really kept track because it didn't make much of a dent in my stock pile. Whatever it cost, I've more than made up for it since then.
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#6 Feb 02 2011 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I would say 8000-13,000 per profession via the AH from 1-525.

You make back lots of it though selling off the stuff you create, especially the higher level stuff. Just be patient, remember what you paid for something to make it. You dont have to sell it immediately, take your time and hold onto items if people are selling too low. Some you'll take a loss on just remember not to rush.

You don't have professions though why 2 crafting professions? Pick up a gathering+crafting combo imo. With flying mounts in Azeroth its pretty easy to level something compared to what it used to be.
#7 Feb 02 2011 at 5:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Telling us what class you are would also help. For tanks, at least, mining is just as good as any crafting profession since it gives a comparable amount of Stam. LW's advantage over other crafting professions is also getting nerfed with there being a primary stat enchant for wrists added in 4.0.6.
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#8 Feb 02 2011 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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On my primary server Heavy, Thick, and Rugged Leather are all in extremely short supply and priced accordingly. Starting a gathering toon is probably a worthwhile investment given the current amount of gold that you have.
#9 Feb 03 2011 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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I got about 6500 gp saved, would that be enough to max one of those or even both?


Considering how rare and expensive lower level mats are getting you'll be lucky to clear Outlands with that seed money.

Best to take one tradeskill and one gathering profession and simply write off a weekend leveling them by gathering.

I'm going to recommend mining/JC as flying now makes mining a piece of cake, plus, there's zero competition for the lower level ores, meaning that you can fly around and pretty much have every ore node in the zone to yourself, meaning very fast gathering of mats resulting in very fast leveling of the gathering and trade skill.

On the other hand, skinning means going out and wasting time slaughtering thousands of grey mobs and even though you can one shot them you've still got to waste time looting them, then skinning them and eventually either selling or destroying whatever you've looted.

The plus point is that if you're willing to take the time you can make a mint selling the inevitable blues and greens you'll find or, if you're interested in chanting, effectively level the chanter for free between the drops from the critters and the leather items you'll make leveling LW.

All said though, class will ultimately decide which to choose - mining gives a health bonus while skinning gives a crit bonus - which do you need?

JC gives you three super gems while LW gives awesome wrist/leg chants on the cheap - again, which gives more benefit?

For gear, JC will give you all of your gems, rings, neck and trinkets while LW gives you everthing else - once more the question is which is of more value to you?
#10 Feb 03 2011 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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As a side note, my main(?) is JC/LW and the benefits are pretty much awesome sauce.
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#11 Feb 05 2011 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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To answer your question, I'm playing a Rogue.

I've read somewhere that 2 crafting professions is better to maximize your character while gathering professions are better to make a lot of gold so I thought I might take 2 crafting professions with my main and take some gathering professions with my next character.
But, if I start an alt, I'm sure I'm gonna want to have a crafting skill good for him lol

Anyone has a link where I could see the better stuff I could make with LW and JC?
Also, can you buy anything that can be crafted or there's some stuff you can only craft for yourself?

Thanks for the advices
#12 Feb 05 2011 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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LW link
http://www.wowhead.com/skill=165

JC be something similar, just go to wowhead, go to database, professions/skills jewelcrafting

There ARE some things like for Blacksmithing you get bonus sockets for your gear that only blacksmiths get, LW gets a... wrist? buff.... Tailor I'm not sure since they changed the specialization requirements, I had a spellfire and a moon...something specced tailor at cap but each was able to learn the others recipes the other day so I think I can finally ditch one of them, once I'm sure the second has all the recipes the first one does.

There are perks to the crafting professions but I think all in all the perks whether from crafting or gathering professions pretty well balance out.. extra stamina from mining, crit from LW?, and a self-heal for herbing? vs extra sockets, couple better gems for JC etc.
#13 Feb 06 2011 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone has a link where I could see the better stuff I could make with LW and JC?

I've found a slightly outdated link that details what each profession gives you as far as buffs/extra sockets/etc, more or less. It's a WotLK link, but with a little research building on that, you can actually see what you can get from each for Cata recipes. For instance, in JC, you'll see that they have different forms of Dragon's Eyes listed. Look up those prefixes with Chimera's Eyes, and you'll find what benefits you can have pretty quickly.

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Also, can you buy anything that can be crafted or there's some stuff you can only craft for yourself?
Not quite all craftable items can be purchased. Here's a list of craftable items that bind when crafted.

That list is missing the new Alchemist Stones(which haven't been implemented yet). This one is likely to be interesting to you. It's also missing the JC quest trinkets. This one you might find interesting.
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#14 Feb 06 2011 at 4:39 PM Rating: Default
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To answer your question, I'm playing a Rogue.


I might recommend LW/engineering then as it's got some awesome toys to make you nasty, especially if you intend to be a mainly PvP toon.

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Sadly, JC isn't one of those skills, yes, the three super gems you can make are nice and there are some trinkets now that are really solid but all said, I'm not really feeling like its giving my JC toon any sort of epic edge.

LW is nice though as you get the free wrist chants and cheaper leg chants.

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while gathering professions are better to make a lot of gold so I thought I might take 2 crafting professions with my main and take some gathering professions with my next character.


Gonna have to level the alt then if you want it to feed the main.

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But, if I start an alt, I'm sure I'm gonna want to have a crafting skill good for him lol


Depends on what the alt's purpose is - my alts are just that - things to do when I don't feel like doing my main or when my main isn't appropriate for doing stuff with friends.

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Anyone has a link where I could see the better stuff I could make with LW and JC?


JC

LW

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Also, can you buy anything that can be crafted or there's some stuff you can only craft for yourself?


Most crafted items are BOE so yes, you can purchase/sell most finished products as well as mail them to your alts.
#15 Feb 07 2011 at 1:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sadly, JC isn't one of those skills, yes, the three super gems you can make are nice and there are some trinkets now that are really solid but all said, I'm not really feeling like its giving my JC toon any sort of epic edge.
Talking strictly about the benefits that stick with you, and not about how much one can save, JC is actually a fairly decent one.

3x Delicate Chimera's Eye = 201 Agi
3x Delicate Inferno Ruby = 120 Agi

Net Gain: 81 Agi.


Enchanting:
2x Enchant Ring: Agility = 80 Agi

LW:
Draconic Embossment: Agility = 130 Agi

No comparable high level Agi enchant, so effectively it's 130 Agi minus either 65 haste or 65 crit. This one's actually really good, but only because it's poorly itemized otherwise. If there were a 50 Agi enchant, it would still be an 80 Agi gain.


Inscription
Swiftsteel Inscription = 130 Agi, 25 Mastery
Instead of Greater Inscription of Shattered Crystal

Net gain: 80 Agi.

Blacksmithing:
With Socket Bracer and Socket Gloves, filled with Delicate Inferno Rubies...

Net gain: 80 Agi.



Seems to be a bit of a pattern there, and yet, somehow JC comes out on top(aside from LW and its aforementioned issue with no really good agi bracer enchants making the LW one REALLY nice). So really, JC provides the same boosted stat benefit as the others, for now at least. Epic gems will change the game a bit when they drop.
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As of tomorrow there's a +50 (primary stat) enchant for wrists, so LW will be roughly equal to the other professions for stat boosts. Also, Synapse Springs for Engineering are having their duration dropped from 12 sec to 10 sec, for an average benefit of 80 Int/Dex/Str.

The embroideries from tailoring give straight AP, Spellpower, or mana back, and generally aren't quite as good as the primary stats you get from other professions. Skinning gives 80 crit, herbalism gives 480 haste for 10 sec every minute (average 80 haste), and mining gives 120 stamina.

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#17 Feb 07 2011 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh, good post Pold - I retract said analysis then.
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
As of tomorrow there's a +50 (primary stat) enchant for wrists, so LW will be roughly equal to the other professions for stat boosts.
I didn't even notice we were getting those. Sweet.
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#19 Feb 21 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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what I am finding is that in the mad rush to hit 85, some folks are trying to tell me I can't have the time in dungeons I need to be able to practice my tradeskills... the last one I was in on my lower lvl druid, the tank actually told me it was always a least time run for him because he wanted it that way, and he tried to tell me to suck eggs... he noticed that he started to lose some of his healing after that comment though... and I wasn't the healer:*) I realise that some just want to run to 85 pell mell, but don't try to tell others they can't practice their tradeskills when they get the chance to... because technically they could accuse you of interfering with their questing, I think is the term...
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#20 Feb 21 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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if its a mining node or herbalism you can always run back through after the groups disbanded and the others have left and take up the item, skinning on the other hand... well I sometimes loot/skin while the tank is establishing agro on the next group!
#21 Mar 03 2011 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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what I am finding is that in the mad rush to hit 85, some folks are trying to tell me I can't have the time in dungeons I need to be able to practice my tradeskills...


Sigh, my biggest beef with pugs - everyone is apparently so rich now adays that they don't need to loot their kills and that means me losing a fortune in leather. >_<
#22 Mar 03 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
No kidding, I don't even have time to loot half the time, let alone skin if I had skinning.
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