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#1 Dec 22 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Watchya think about mastery for alchemy guys?

around raid time in wotlk i found myself switching to potions cause that was what i invested most of my herbs into.

WHile maybe once i get into the flow of raids i'll be making potions again, i'am thinking of going back to elixers since i shall be using a bunch of them and flasks. I doubt cauldrons are affected by mastery but do correct me.

I was thinking of transmute [as always] but when my luck i doubt i'll gt much out of it [though procing multiples of truegold does make one pause...like all wonderful elusive things]
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#2 Dec 22 2010 at 11:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have 3 alchemists and all are currently transmute specced. My main is a paladin, so I've been using the Truegold for gear and I also got the Vial of the Sands recipe and naturally had to make myself one, and that required 12 Truegold. I've had a x2, x3 and x5 proc on Truegold so far. I also have an alt with JC, so the extra gems from procs have been making her rich. I find that the proc rate is way higher than it used to be and I frequently get 1 or 2 extra meta gems on top of the 2 that the recipe makes.
#3 Dec 23 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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so based on one's individual use and needs as usual :D
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#4 Dec 27 2010 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I'm a transmute master as well. Mostly because I'm greedy and want more money. =x One of my guildies tried to convince me to go with elixir mastery saying I'd make more gold that way, but I'm glad I didn't listen to him because the prices of elixirs on my server are absolute crap. I haven't made any since leveling, because I can sell the herbs to make the elixirs for more than the finished product. Flasks are going for a nice amount though.
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#5 Dec 30 2010 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
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My xmute alchy is feeling positively cheated - I've done an xmute every day since hitting 525 and have yet to have a single proc of truegold or volatiles.

As a plus point though, the truegold sells in less then 24 hours (and I'm not the lowest priced one) and the volatile xmutes increase the profit margin nicely (along with making other tradeskills cheap).

Entertainingly enough, the stonefish oil is also a big seller - I'm dumping the oil for 10g each and no one's competed with me yet.
#6 Dec 31 2010 at 11:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Prospect cheap elementium ore > transmute master into shadowspirit diamonds. I'm richer than god.
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#7 Jan 01 2011 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Prospect cheap elementium ore > transmute master into shadowspirit diamonds. I'm richer than god.


I'm making 2-3k a day off this. Also 3-4k from Truegold. So glad I didn't drop Alchemy when I was thinking about it in Wrath.
#8 Jan 01 2011 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
**** I need to get a JC'er leveled up...
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#9 Jan 01 2011 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Prospect cheap elementium ore > transmute master into shadowspirit diamonds. I'm richer than god.


Remind me to rate up your next ten posts - I've made almost 5k in the past three hours doing this and my JC picked up 20 points from the misc blues the alchy didn't need.

Sadly, no procs for bonus shadowspirit gems yet (in fact, my alchy has yet to get a single xmute proc since the xpac released) but at just shy of 500g a pop I guess I'll just have to make due with a "miserable" 1k per combine.
#10 Jan 01 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
You must have atrocious luck then rusttle, I've gotten a handful of procs at least, and I'm not even using my CD every day.
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#11 Jan 01 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Curious, what kind of a price of Elementium to Shadowspirit ratio are you all seeing? I'm making a profit, but it's not quite the one you all seem to be seeing, though that could be because I can't seem to get any of the red gems to save my life(Carnellian?)
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#12 Jan 01 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Ten stacks of ore is running me about 1200 and I'm seeing at least four shadow spirits and ten to fifteen blues out of it.
#13 Jan 01 2011 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, but what are the shadowspirits going for?
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#14 Jan 02 2011 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Just shy of 500g each on my server so that's 800g profit without an xmute proc. There's also always plenty of leftovers so the reality is that every other prospecting batch results in one or two bonus combines on the metas depending on how the gems hit (the rarest one seems to be, crap, forget the exact name but its a red one - hem-something if mem serves) - sometimes you'll get an even spread, other times you'll end up with just enough for one or one and half combines of everything but one gem, of which you'll have an entire stack.
#15 Jan 02 2011 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
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a stack of ore is about 120 or so on my server with shadowspirit being 200-300g each.

its thanks to morons undercutting below the value of the mats needed to make shadowspirit. **** even if you take the baseline value of the 3 gems of each type needed to make the diamond and not the high demand value of green gems [thanks to prof leveling] on the AH, these morons are still undercutting the diamond for less than its mats are worth.

Bah, ill just get a friend to cut them. Fortunately the cut meta's are at prices that havent been undercut to **** [the undercutters get purchased and reinserted for its true value immediately]

Edited, Jan 2nd 2011 10:50am by Tenjen
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#16 Jan 02 2011 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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rusttle wrote:
Just shy of 500g each on my server so that's 800g profit without an xmute proc. There's also always plenty of leftovers so the reality is that every other prospecting batch results in one or two bonus combines on the metas depending on how the gems hit (the rarest one seems to be, crap, forget the exact name but its a red one - hem-something if mem serves) - sometimes you'll get an even spread, other times you'll end up with just enough for one or one and half combines of everything but one gem, of which you'll have an entire stack.
That explains it. I'm lucky if I can get 275g listings to sell before the AH sends em back my way.
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#17 Jan 02 2011 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Sigh - my server just went stupid today with several folks knocking the gems into the 350ish range - still profitable but only just and don't want to take a chance on making a batch and then having another rapid reduction in price.

Edit - also did some number crunching on eternium cost to benefit ratio

Working off of ten stacks with an AH value of 130g (the stuff is ironically enough almost as cheap as obsidium - guess its from more 85s having more elementium in higher level zones) and I've consistently gotten enough greens for two alchemy combines of shadowspirit and usually had enough left over that on the second batch of ten, I'd get three or four combines.

For the blues, I used the average price of the lowest five on the AH and have been averaging 600-700g AH value, thus effectively halving the cost of the ore, meaning that at these prices (and with zero xmute procs) it effectively costs 130g per gem to make the low end average of 5 per 10 stacks on my server.

I really have to get around to comparing the value of the greens as I'm beginning to suspect that the raw mats created by the prospecting might be exceeding the AH value of the raw metas they create.

As a temporary bonus though, someone apparently went buckwild skilling JC today (or gearing up a guild) as the dozen plus on the AH last night are all gone so I've (temporarily) got the only 8 up there right now at 500g each.

I was worried about how I was going to pay for my alchy mount once I get the recipe via archeology but if the market can just hold for me for another week then my alchy will be able to purchase the mats on its own.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 1:25am by rusttle
#18 Jan 05 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest, since the cost for changing specs has not increased with time, and the profit I get from doing things like Truegold Transmute and Gems, I'm more than happy to pay the cost to change it.

Do my elixirs, then switch over to transmute and do that. Harvest mats for a few days for elixirs, then switch back again.
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#19 Jan 05 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Devilwind wrote:
To be honest, since the cost for changing specs has not increased with time, and the profit I get from doing things like Truegold Transmute and Gems, I'm more than happy to pay the cost to change it.

Do my elixirs, then switch over to transmute and do that. Harvest mats for a few days for elixirs, then switch back again.

This is a good point. If you're going to be making at least 1.5k worth of any product in a given period of time, it's going to be worth it to make it all in a batch, changing specialty first. And with inflation, that's a lot fewer potions or flasks than it was in the days of LK.
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