Enchanting - Trinkets?Follow

Well, at low levels enchanters could also make BoE wands, but that didn't last either. I believe the highest level wand only required level 30 to use, then they disappear from your recipes.

I get the impression Blizzard was trying some things out with the profession and the skill to craft those items was deemed unnecessary.

The trinket was a leftover from vanilla. Crafting of trinkets was then shifted over to the domain of JCs. They tend not to overlap stuff like that.

Because they wanted to get rid of another aspect of min-maxing I think.

My elem shammy used Figurine - Twilight Serpent for a long time. I had a number of folks ask about it then, even more so with JC gems were in it.

It's a perfectly valid reason. The issue with the oils was that everyone could put them on their weapons and still use flasks/elixirs. It's not like their were AP/avoidance oils, and really, the fewer consumables I need to be bringing to raids the better. Enchanters don't need anymore. They never did. They have D/Eing and enchanting all rolled into one. That can sell mats and they can sell enchants. It's good stuff.

Or, to clarify the logic, why not make it so that alchemists can sell herbal gear augments, or JCs can make consumable stat augments ala flasks? Before you know it you end up with one 18 slot bag set aside specifically for food, flasks/elixirs, potions, enchanting oils and JC consumables, and when you next upgrade a piece of gear not only do you get to fork over for the enchant/belt buckle and gems, now you get to cough up the gold/mats for your alchemy augment.

Sometimes less is more.

Just to nit-pick for no good reason, the primary reason the Windfury Totem was changed was because enhancement shaman were always having to choose between buffing the melee with 2h weapons and buffing the 1h weapon melee dps (to include the shaman themselves). When I leveled a shaman during TBC, Windfury Weapon imbue + Grace of Air Totem was the ideal setup for me personally, and was also the preferred totem for rogues, druids, and I believe dual wielding warriors. Get a 2h wielding warrior and/or a ret pally in the group, however, and it was a different story. They always wanted the Windfury Totem. I always thought it was kind of silly that I should be required to drop a totem for a group that didn't benefit me at all, and I quickly grew tired of trying to explain to people that sacrificing a buff that helped all melee in some way (Grace of Air) for the sake of a totem that didn't benefit me at all for the sake of a buff that benefited typically one person in the group was not a smart decision. The QQ from warriors and ret pallies was bordering on unbearable at times.

I think that some people have addressed it, but it was my understanding that they wanted to simply remove that aspect from the ‘required to raid’ field.

If you want to raid, you are now required to have a fairly diverse group of Buffs, Food, Proper gear, proper classes (aka not 100 Melee) etc…

When making a raid I think that they assume that the group is properly maxed out. The addition of oils and stuff just made it another requirement, another bag slot, type thing. Adding the oil to a fight might now mean that the boss needed to be tuned to assume the casters had X higher spell power and thus (for example) the enrage timer would have to account for that…


Basically they were an unnecessary addition and cost. The boss still has the enrage, it just now takes 5 minutes instead of 4:30 with oil. As everyone was using oil, stones, etc – it wasn’t making it a ‘harder’ encounter – it just adjusted the timers/scale of the encounter.

I mean – if my raid does 1k DPS and your raid with oil does 2k DPS – you should get ½ the time All they did was remove that aspect from the game…


With respect to Trinkets and wands and the such - I'd hope more crafts would open up to this. A tailor trinket, a leather trinket, etc... I like more openness and less required to spec this or profession that....

I remember that Poldaran, and it saddened me too when those epic wands were not in live.

Idiggory, just FYI I have a warrior tank alt, and either of these two trinkets would be a good replacement for your Ruby Hare:

You can farm regular ToC 5-man to get The Black Heart off the Black Knight. The 126 Stamina on it beats the 122 you'd get on the JC trinket with 2 +30 stamina gems, and the proc is great for a tank.

Before ToC was released, the standard starting tank trinket was Essence of Gossamer off Hadronox in heroic AN. Not quite as much stamina as that JC trinket, but again, another nice tanking proc.

Edited, Nov 18th 2009 11:28am by CountFenris