I am drowning in certain mats. Too many of them. I have Eternal Fires
Waters, and Airs coming out of my ears and I am seriously considering
shutting down my Titan Steel CD. If it wasn't for my making things for
DE I would also be drowning in Eternal Earths, Shadows and every LK ore
other than Titanium.
There are simply not enough recipes in the game at present for the mats
being generated. There are no true specialty recipes for Tailors or LW's
or BS's and two epic purple (non-raid) armor recipes per type of armor is
simply inadequate.
Is this generally a problem or am I just lucky? /whine off
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You could offer to put them in your guild bank.
Orrrrrrr.
There is this thing in most of the big cities called the "AH" (auction house, I think), where you can like, sell stuff you don't need.
I mean if you have made what you can make already, what is the loss?
As for luck, I guess running up to a mining node and tapping it gets you ore (and your earth and shadow eternals), killing elementals and other things that have an elemental affinity/association gets you the other eternals, killing humanoids gets you cloth.
My guess is you do a lot of that.
Anyway, not a personal attack on you, just don't whine about having so much stuff. That's like a pro sports player whining about his rookie contract only paying him $3 mil a season when he wants $8 mil, $h!t man, you're still a millionaire.
Orrrrrrr.
There is this thing in most of the big cities called the "AH" (auction house, I think), where you can like, sell stuff you don't need.
I mean if you have made what you can make already, what is the loss?
As for luck, I guess running up to a mining node and tapping it gets you ore (and your earth and shadow eternals), killing elementals and other things that have an elemental affinity/association gets you the other eternals, killing humanoids gets you cloth.
My guess is you do a lot of that.
Anyway, not a personal attack on you, just don't whine about having so much stuff. That's like a pro sports player whining about his rookie contract only paying him $3 mil a season when he wants $8 mil, $h!t man, you're still a millionaire.
DavidKP wrote:
Anyway, not a personal attack on you, just don't whine about having so much stuff. That's like a pro sports player whining about his rookie contract only paying him $3 mil a season when he wants $8 mil, $h!t man, you're still a millionaire.
I'm not going to whine but I'm more or less in the same boat as the OP, sitting in a tits-high stack of mining mats. We're not millionaires though since we're only hoarding because there's virtually no demand for them. I don't touch cobalt nodes hardly ever and I'll only pick at saronite if it's a "rich" deposit and my bags still runneth over.
I can dump them on the AH for a pittance (several uncommon gems will vendor for more than the AH will fetch) or I can hold onto them in the hopes that a friend will want to powerlevel a new profession or for the even more futile hope that the market will recover at some point e.g., if newly released recipes will start demanding mats again.
A few reasons jump out at me for the glut of ore, etc., in our vaults compared to BC:
1. Repair bots are insanely cheap to make.
2. Potion sickness killed the demand for injectors.
3. Raid consumables (sharpening stones/wards/runes) haven't been replaced with anything.
Bullets and arrows are about the only items that really put a dent in my inventories and it's only a matter of time before Blizzard takes those out of the game too /wink
Scholar
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I agree, there should be more sinks for mats.
My recommendation would be turn in quests, similar to the old world cloth turn-ins.
Oh well, gotta run.
Take care guys.
My recommendation would be turn in quests, similar to the old world cloth turn-ins.
Oh well, gotta run.
Take care guys.
i'm not overflowing with matetials like the OP since i have been rolling a new alt and he is not that high yet, but i would love to see something similar to another Gates of AQ materials sink, that would empty many banks of flooded materials and rebalance some pricing.
I should have added that I currently have four 80's and a 74 to eat up what I gather but
as I said too few recipes worth the time. There were a LOT more recipes in TBC but since
I did not start playing until 2.3 (Jan 08) I don't know when they were introduced.
And since the subject has been brought up lets talk about the AH. Nobody wants a lot of
these mats. People wrongly assume that if you offer a mat at a low price it will sell.
Off the top of my head the only mats that I know will sell are those for enchanting and
probably Titanium. Other LK ores are either a sinkhole for lost AH deposits or not worth
the time for what you get.
as I said too few recipes worth the time. There were a LOT more recipes in TBC but since
I did not start playing until 2.3 (Jan 08) I don't know when they were introduced.
And since the subject has been brought up lets talk about the AH. Nobody wants a lot of
these mats. People wrongly assume that if you offer a mat at a low price it will sell.
Off the top of my head the only mats that I know will sell are those for enchanting and
probably Titanium. Other LK ores are either a sinkhole for lost AH deposits or not worth
the time for what you get.
I have to agree with the OP here. I too am sitting on a pile of mats that have just been accumulating over the past month or so. Saronite ore is practically being given away and it is so common that the gem market is in the toilet because everyone can do one daily, buy a stack of ore and prospect it.
Naxx is so easily PuG'able that it's not worth the effort to have any epic weapons/armor crafted since you can get equivalent or superior gear with less effort and time at almost no cost. For example, I made the two moonshroud pieces for my holy priest and within the first hour of a Naxx PuG they were replaced.
Herbs are still moving OK with the help of scribes, but even still I have plenty of them sitting in the bank because the AH is always flooded and prices are kept low. Changing flasks to lasting only one hour now has caused them to drop in price to the point where everyone is just buying them pre-made rather than getting the mats and looking for an alchemist.
I do think Blizzard dropped the ball with professions in Wrath by limiting the number of recipes and letting most of them become obsolete so soon into the expansion. They also screwed up by having so many resource nodes in each zone (Sholazar Basin comes to mind). When anyone can comfortably farm a zone at any given time of day and still fill their packs with ore then there is no question in my mind that the supply is far outstripping the demand.
Naxx is so easily PuG'able that it's not worth the effort to have any epic weapons/armor crafted since you can get equivalent or superior gear with less effort and time at almost no cost. For example, I made the two moonshroud pieces for my holy priest and within the first hour of a Naxx PuG they were replaced.
Herbs are still moving OK with the help of scribes, but even still I have plenty of them sitting in the bank because the AH is always flooded and prices are kept low. Changing flasks to lasting only one hour now has caused them to drop in price to the point where everyone is just buying them pre-made rather than getting the mats and looking for an alchemist.
I do think Blizzard dropped the ball with professions in Wrath by limiting the number of recipes and letting most of them become obsolete so soon into the expansion. They also screwed up by having so many resource nodes in each zone (Sholazar Basin comes to mind). When anyone can comfortably farm a zone at any given time of day and still fill their packs with ore then there is no question in my mind that the supply is far outstripping the demand.
I think blizzard has it pretty well worked out with what they are doing at the moment and i am sure some items are easy to get at this stage in TLK but markets are following real life by highs and lows and are supposed to make us think of ways to make gold , for those like me that have been around since before BC we have seen some items crash in price as everyone went out farming them and the result was farmers found other ways to make some gold and the prices slowly recovered .
The real problems as i see it is people just like in real life get greedy , they see something is expensive and try to jump on the bandwagon and the real answer is if something is not making you gold then HELL stop doing it and the prices will recover as there are always alternative items or if level 80 there are quests and other items to farm .
The gold farmers/sellers are still making a heck of a lot of gold in-game and if they can find ways of doing it without stealing accounts then i am sure we all can as all it takes is spotting gaps in your local market and taking advantage of them , sure it takes a little working out and i am pretty sure though that others will be doing the same but it is always possible to make some gold .
I also know the game makers are proactive ? in that if something is not working as they want they will soon change it to deal with any real problems they see.
The real problems as i see it is people just like in real life get greedy , they see something is expensive and try to jump on the bandwagon and the real answer is if something is not making you gold then HELL stop doing it and the prices will recover as there are always alternative items or if level 80 there are quests and other items to farm .
The gold farmers/sellers are still making a heck of a lot of gold in-game and if they can find ways of doing it without stealing accounts then i am sure we all can as all it takes is spotting gaps in your local market and taking advantage of them , sure it takes a little working out and i am pretty sure though that others will be doing the same but it is always possible to make some gold .
I also know the game makers are proactive ? in that if something is not working as they want they will soon change it to deal with any real problems they see.
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I also know the game makers are proactive ? in that if something is not working as they want they will soon change it to deal with any real problems they see
That's not proactive, that is reactive. Proactive means addressing a problem BEFORE it actually becomes a problem, as in anticipating it in advance and taking action to prevent it from even happening.
Blizzard is reactive, they address things as they see them become(ing) a problem.
In this case they very well may not consider it a problem. Although it is not the normal elemental material paradigm, the fact they added the elemental materials as drops from mining and herbalism nodes implies that they did not desire it to be the same paradigm as prior tiers.
sandralover wrote:
The gold farmers/sellers are still making a heck of a lot of gold in-game and if they can find ways of doing it without stealing accounts then i am sure we all can as all it takes is spotting gaps in your local market and taking advantage of them , sure it takes a little working out and i am pretty sure though that others will be doing the same but it is always possible to make some gold.
I don't think anyone will debate that you cannot make gold in this expansion. The issue the OP is bringing up is the imbalance in the supply and demand among WotLK raw materials. For me I'm still making plenty of gold to be able to buy anything I want but the fact remains that compared to Vanilla or BC, the demand for materials in Wrath is way off which leaves us with huge stockpiles.
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In this case they very well may not consider it a problem. Although it is not the normal elemental material paradigm, the fact they added the elemental materials as drops from mining and herbalism nodes implies that they did not desire it to be the same paradigm as prior tiers.
Jagarid motes started dropping from nodes in BC first, not LK which is how I read you. So the paradigm has
not shifted at all with this X-Pac. It shifted 2 years ago with BC. One difference I do note between LK
and BC is that we are getting different mote types in mining nodes; Water, Shadow, and Air are showing up
now.
We have NO eternal mana and NO eternal might. Those both should be here by now. But my main point is that
there were nowhere near this many excess mats in BC for me. And this is because the number of recipes
is inadequate to a large extent imnsho.
On my server ... I still have no clue what is decently farmable. Herb prices are in the dirt. All except for mageroyal, which is 3x the price it was in BC. Guess a lot of people are making Chocolate Cake. High level ore, not certain, as my miners aren't in Northrend yet. Infinite dust is down to about 1g each, while the cheapest greens to make them are around 9-15g, so I won't be playing the AH for those.
Fishing ... grrr! I was making about 85g/stack for deep sea monsterbelly up till the 2nd fishing nerf. Now that anybody can skill up anywhere, EVERYONE is fishing, and you can't give your fish away.
But the biggest problem seems to be not Blizzard's fault, but some of the people on the AH. For instance, Auctioneer told me that a Glyph of Levitate was going for 20g. I made a couple, sold them for that price almost instantly. Next day someone put up a few hundred auctions, at ... no, not just a few silvers less than mine, or even a few gold, but 15 gold LESS! Over the past week or two, they've dropped the prices on every single glyph I can make to less than the cost of the parchment to make it! I wrote to two of these folks and pointed this out, and one of them wrote back saying that she puts up 300 auctions a day and doesn't really pay attention to the prices. <sigh>
Fishing ... grrr! I was making about 85g/stack for deep sea monsterbelly up till the 2nd fishing nerf. Now that anybody can skill up anywhere, EVERYONE is fishing, and you can't give your fish away.
But the biggest problem seems to be not Blizzard's fault, but some of the people on the AH. For instance, Auctioneer told me that a Glyph of Levitate was going for 20g. I made a couple, sold them for that price almost instantly. Next day someone put up a few hundred auctions, at ... no, not just a few silvers less than mine, or even a few gold, but 15 gold LESS! Over the past week or two, they've dropped the prices on every single glyph I can make to less than the cost of the parchment to make it! I wrote to two of these folks and pointed this out, and one of them wrote back saying that she puts up 300 auctions a day and doesn't really pay attention to the prices. <sigh>
I have watched as the gem market on my server in the last month has completely crashed. I find it hard to make money in the xpac other than playing the auction house. I'm not talking about the 400-500g you make a day if you do dailies i'm talking about the thousands of gold needed for top end enchants, recipes, items etc. I find that dailies pay for my raiding mats and thats about it.
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