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#27 May 18 2009 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone want to share my popcorn. I also got a spare soda (Beer for the adults)
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#28 May 18 2009 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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You play a class, you HAVE to do your job or you have no purpose existing. As a chanter, I leveled a profession for -me- not you, -me-. I leveled something for -my- benefit.


Maybe you should have a chat with an admin. You go from "here are my ideas" to namecalling and idiocy in a heartbeat. It's like the second someone challenges an idea of yours, you go absolutely ******* and it becomes time to put the kids on the playground to shame with the level of immaturity that ensues.

Seriously...just stop. Or at least grow up enough to have an intelligent debate that doesn't degrade to idiocy the instant someone shows up with an idea contrary to yours.
#29 May 18 2009 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone want to share my popcorn. I also got a spare soda (Beer for the adults)


I'm happy with my SoCo and Coke but I'll take a bowl of that popcorn thanks!
#30 May 18 2009 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone want to share my popcorn. I also got a spare soda (Beer for the adults)


Smiley: popcorn

I'll have a Fanta, thanks.
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#31 May 19 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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To: Morons who seem to think EVERY job of a class is suddenly payable.
You should quit WoW, forever. Your ignorance has reached a level so high that even every windowlicker out there now looks down on you.

You play a class, you HAVE to do your job or you have no purpose existing.


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I don't see what is so hard for people to grasp that my services are bought, not free. Be it DE'ing or DPSing.


Just thought I'd add this little gem from the original emoplode thread.

Sprite and some popcorn with extra butter, please.
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#32 May 19 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
I'm actually thinking of making my way to the O-Boards and posting this thread for others on Tsuvati's realm to Smiley: lol at.
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#33 May 19 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jeez, what a cluster *&%$. Listen, you can be nice and DE and let people roll on the shards/mats that they could have rolled on in item form in the first place.

Side note: I always try to have a leveling enchanter as a friend, as I routinely have dozens of greens from my alts to DE. Mostly because its very tiresome to list dozens of items on AH to sell over the course of a few weeks, just so I can put things I actually WANT to keep in my bank. And for this service/favor I will give gold or any kind of dusts/essences the said enchanter needed.

Generally, this said enchanter will do enchants for me, for little to no cost, being as I gave him mats already and he will possibly get to advance his profession at the same time. Sounds vaguely like a win-win scenario.

Orrrrrrrr, you could be a **** and get on Allakhazam, or any other game forums and complain.

My tip, if you do not want to DE things from a PUG, don't offer. Better yet, don't ever mention that you are an enchanter, because someone will be sure to ask you to DE the BoP loot that nobody in the group can use.

Finally, I realize I may not have the most complete grammar/spelling skills on here, but I do respect trying to speak with some intelligence, and give kudos to everyone on the internet who tries to do the same. Thank you.
#34 May 19 2009 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm actually thinking of making my way to the O-Boards and posting this thread for others on Tsuvati's realm to at.


It would be more like a public service announcement IMO.
#35 May 19 2009 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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So how much should the healer charge for the service of healing you during an instance? What should the tank charge for the service of taunting a mob off of you? What's a fair price for buffs during the run?

Oh, I like where this is going. As a tank im gonna charge 1s for every 100 dmg points soaked in whole run. In addtion to that I'm gonna charge for every taunt and shout I do. And of course there will be some money in marking mobs( not needed, but hey people buy useless stuff all the time, don't they?). Do you think it's ok if I negotiate funds for keeping my "work uniform" fixed and clean? Or is it too much to ask? Of course newly established Tank Union will try to deal with outrageous conditions we're commuting to workplace. New griphons for every dungeon I say!
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#36 May 19 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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and if they win items or orbs, I refuse them shards.


Do you share this loot rule with them before the run or only at the end so that you come off as a ninja?


I know it's fun for a nerb mob to pile on a bully when everyone else is doing it, but you do realize that this principle at least is SOP for PUG runs, right?

"Refuse them shards" is a silly way to put it of course, but basic fairness suggests that if at the end of an instance you have only four shards instead of five because someone claimed Need on one of the blues, then the four toons who didn't snag an upgrade would each get a shard. The toon with the upgrade already got the equivalent of a shard through his or her own choice.
#37 May 19 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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I know it's fun for a nerb mob to pile on a bully when everyone else is doing it, but you do realize that this principle at least is SOP for PUG runs, right?


Oh no, I know that this is standard etiquette as I practice it myself as I'm sure the majority of the posters here do as well.

The trick is that with any loot rules, one has to establish them ahead of time - if you don't feel that someone should get more then one NEED item or can't roll on the orb or shards or whatever way you want to play it, if its something that you intend to enforce then its something that you should share with the group at the beginning.

If you hit PUG raids with any regularity, you know how you get raid leaders that turn into loot ***** after all's done and over with, suddenly announcing a whole slew of loot rules that were never discussed at the beginning and that you'd of never joined the raid had you known - this gent is coming off as one of those types and being rightfully slammed for his behavior.
#38 May 19 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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I don't expect other people to pass on shards if they got a drop, but I usually will, if there aren't enough shards to go around. Lately, though, I get in a pug and we plow through 3-6 heroics in 2-4 hours, depending on where everyone wants to go. We just collect all the shards and divide at the ed, give the extras to whoever rolls highest.
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#39 Jun 09 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually thinking of making my way to the O-Boards and posting this thread for others on Tsuvati's realm to Smiley: lol at.

Too late. (Insert Smiley: sly emoticon here!)

Edit: Oh, and rate ups for the other reasonable enchanters.

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 9:02pm by Wondroustremor
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#40sybban, Posted: Jun 28 2009 at 7:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's not that enchanter's are greedy, it's that most of you are complete idiots.
#41 Jun 28 2009 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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Enchanting is not even profitable


/facepalm

If you can't make money with medium to high level enchanting, you're doing something wrong.

Also, blues and epics have a vendor value if there is no enchanter in the group; mining nodes, skinnable corpses, and plants do not.
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#42 Jun 28 2009 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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I can't even sell my mats b/c I have to save them in case a guildie needs enchants NOT that they sell for much anyway. And blizzard messed up the progression so badly that they only thing that you get from random greens is planar's. Infinite dust, you have to go out of your way to get.


Since your entire post is so full of fail I will focus on one part of it to correct. You do not have to go out of your way to get infinite dust. Planars and dust from this expansion are just like they have always been. Dust comes from armor and, since BC, jewelry. Planars come from weapons. Your cheapest source of dust will be by getting a JC. In closing stop being a moron.
#43 Jun 29 2009 at 4:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's not that enchanter's are greedy, it's that most of you are complete idiots.

I can't believe the stupidity that involves someone thinking that they are ENTITLED to something that they can't perform on their own.

When miner hits a node in a group, how come we don't roll on that? Or herbalsim? Or skinning?

I don't mind de'ing. As long as everyone is cool about it I normally will just do it.


I leveled enchanting, it was a pain in the ***. Wtf did you level? Skinning and mining so you could sell the mats? And now you want some more free mats to sell just bc you are grouped with me?

I had to pay and tip a blacksmith for every rod I ever needed. How come it's not customary to tip the disenchanter? Enchanting is not even profitable, people just get enchants from their guild for free. The only people who ask for enchants are twinks.

I can't even sell my mats b/c I have to save them in case a guildie needs enchants NOT that they sell for much anyway. And blizzard messed up the progression so badly that they only thing that you get from random greens is planar's. Infinite dust, you have to go out of your way to get.




So I guess what I'm trying to say to anyone who complained in this thread is basically, eat a **** and die. You are absolutely too stupid to live anymore. Thanks


And this, ladies and gents, is what we call a "sock" account (most likely) or a "troll" (less likely). Why a sock? Because they know how to break the Allakhazam swear filter, and knew it before posting (notice no edit tags).

***** off. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're totally wrong if you think enchanting is not profitable. I have made probably tens of thousands of gold from it (I know I made at least 10k back in TBC alone).
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#44 Jun 29 2009 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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sybban wrote:
It's not that enchanter's are greedy, it's that most of you are complete idiots.

I can't believe the stupidity that involves someone thinking that they are ENTITLED to something that they can't perform on their own.

When miner hits a node in a group, how come we don't roll on that? Or herbalsim? Or skinning?

I don't mind de'ing. As long as everyone is cool about it I normally will just do it.


I leveled enchanting, it was a pain in the ***. Wtf did you level? Skinning and mining so you could sell the mats? And now you want some more free mats to sell just bc you are grouped with me?

I had to pay and tip a blacksmith for every rod I ever needed. How come it's not customary to tip the disenchanter? Enchanting is not even profitable, people just get enchants from their guild for free. The only people who ask for enchants are twinks.

I can't even sell my mats b/c I have to save them in case a guildie needs enchants NOT that they sell for much anyway. And blizzard messed up the progression so badly that they only thing that you get from random greens is planar's. Infinite dust, you have to go out of your way to get.




So I guess what I'm trying to say to anyone who complained in this thread is basically, eat a **** and die. You are absolutely too stupid to live anymore. Thanks


And this, ladies and gents, is what we call a "sock" account (most likely) or a "troll" (less likely). Why a sock? Because they know how to break the Allakhazam swear filter, and knew it before posting (notice no edit tags).

***** off. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're totally wrong if you think enchanting is not profitable. I have made probably tens of thousands of gold from it (I know I made at least 10k back in TBC alone).


So this is what happens to that one sock that always gets lost in the dryer?

Poor, lonely sock.

/sniffle

Edited, Jun 29th 2009 12:30pm by isyris
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#45 Jun 29 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
sybban wrote:
Enchanting is not even profitable


/facepalm

If you can't make money with medium to high level enchanting, you're doing something wrong.

My hunter just dinged 77 in Grizzly Hills. The only dailies I've done are making seals mate once a day (most days, but not every day) for walrus rep. I leveled Enchanting to 425, paid for Outland and Northrend leatherworking (I skinned up to 70 and saved mats), and bankrolled epic flight including Cold Weather. All without any help from my main except for a 1k loan I paid back plus 20% in less than a month. Guess what skill paid for it...

For the record, I'm happy to DE in a party.
#46 Jun 29 2009 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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I can't believe the stupidity that involves someone thinking that they are ENTITLED to something that they can't perform on their own.


/agreed

Chanters who think that they're entitled to all unclaimed BoP drops from bosses that they are incapable of soloing are complete losers.

Oh wait, that's not the way you meant it, is it? ;-)
#47 Jul 23 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Just wanted to put that out there in defense of my profession. There are waaay too many whiny posts by enchanters wanting to hog all the shards after an instance.

I agree 100%. 'Chanters don't need BoP shards to level. They also don't need BoP shards for the gold. It isn't a hardship to share shards with the other players in your PuG/Guild run.

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Even if enchanting weren't a service industry with plenty of competition, there's no need to be stingy with the shards. It's a very profitable profession. Heck - even if you don't get lucky with green drops or loot rolls, you can just go out, do a couple leftover leveling quests and de the rewards.

I make more gold by selling normal DE'd components than anything else I do. Enough so that if I want to buy a couple of high-end shards, it's out of pocket change rather than feeling like a huge amount.
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#48 Jul 23 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Well as an enchanter i usually dont have a problem with deing for a group, but from reading this i realized that it is not the norm for the party to roll on other things that might be in an instance such as herbs or nodes. So i stick with this philosophy that i just roll greed like everyone else if i get it and dont need i disenchant and the shard is mine to sell or use. I dont think im greedy for this but why should i not be able to roll on other mats to sell or use for me also. Alla fans dont hate me for this but this is just how i feel i dont think i abuse my skills or others with how i go into pugs and how i use my skills.
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To each his/her own. I've been playing a different game then most people since the release of WotLK, I multibox. With a group of five characters, it takes me about 40 mins to do 30 dailies. I have ten level 80(crap gear, but with a group of five, you basically can do them naked) and it takes about 90 minutes for me to make 800g(60 dailies and 2 JC dailies). After the "work" is done, I multibox instances. Three shards and a crystal from H UK, one shard from UP first boss, four shards/one crystal from H HoL, another four + one from H CoS, and two more shards from H Gundrak. I ran those heroics almost nightly when I was farming emblems for my first group. Currently I'm leveling my third group in instances, specifically Gundrak at the moment. That's at least another eight dream shards a night, unless that spell hit cloak drops of the last boss. When my disenchanter end up in a pug or guild run, I let everyone know that I can and will DE if no one needs. We all roll at the end, top roll gets the crystal. Everybody is happy.

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Well as an enchanter i usually dont have a problem with deing for a group, but from reading this i realized that it is not the norm for the party to roll on other things that might be in an instance such as herbs or nodes. So i stick with this philosophy that i just roll greed like everyone else if i get it and dont need i disenchant and the shard is mine to sell or use. I dont think im greedy for this but why should i not be able to roll on other mats to sell or use for me also. Alla fans dont hate me for this but this is just how i feel i dont think i abuse my skills or others with how i go into pugs and how i use my skills.

I think it's possible for reasonable people to disagree about the bolded section.
#51 Jul 26 2009 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Okay, since this has been bumped recently, I'll reiterate what I said before in another thread. If you're an enchanter, and decide not to offer to DE for a group, it's your right. However, you're more likely to get disenchanting goods if you are willing to DE. Why do I say this? Simple. You are one of five people rolling each time for the items that drop, if nobody needs them. Each time you roll Greed, you have a 1 in 5 chance of getting an item. Let's use an analogy, and say you're in a group with 5 items that drop that nobody needs, and everyone wants to greed roll for vendor.

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Item 1: Everyone rolls, and you roll a 2. Someone else rolls 68 and wins a pair of blue pants.
Item 2: Everyone rolls, and you roll 53. Someone else rolls 82 and wins a pair of blue pants.
Item 3: Everyone rolls, and you roll 78. Someone else rolls 97 and wins a pair of blue pants.
Item 4: Everyone rolls, and you roll 16. Someone else rolls 85 and wins a pair of blue bracers.
Item 5: Everyone rolls, and you roll 91. Someone else rolls 99 and wins a purple chest piece.


You win nothing in that scenario, and the other people that won something get to vendor it- which probably won't be worth as much as the Dream Shards or Abyss Crystals they might have won. Now, on to another scenario where everyone passes on each item that they don't need, and you pick them up. At the end of the run, you all roll for shards.

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At the end of the run, everyone rolls for shards.
The tank rolls 82.
Druid healer rolls 97.
Death Knight rolls 85.
Warlock rolls 99.
You roll 91.

The shards are divvied up evenly. The Warlock, having the highest roll, gets the Abyss Crystal. The rest of you get one Dream Shard each.


Granted, you didn't win 4 shards and a crystal- but then, thanks to the random number generator, you have a good chance of not winning each time you roll for an item against your other four party members. When you decide to play nicely with other people, your odds improve. I'd prefer a 3 in 5 chance or even 2 in 5 chance of winning a shard or crystal at the end of a run to a 1 in 5 each time. But maybe that's just me.
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