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#1 May 14 2009 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just wanted to put that out there in defense of my profession. There are waaay too many whiny posts by enchanters wanting to hog all the shards after an instance.

But I promise not all of us are greedy @#$%s. I always tell people I'm willing and able to DE at the start of a run. If someone asks me to de their green drops, I do so cheerfully. If someone passes on shards at the end, I make a point to thank them for doing so. If someone leaves the group without either taking their shard or specifically saying they pass, I assume they forgot, and I put it in the mail.

Even if enchanting weren't a service industry with plenty of competition, there's no need to be stingy with the shards. It's a very profitable profession. Heck - even if you don't get lucky with green drops or loot rolls, you can just go out, do a couple leftover leveling quests and de the rewards.

I mean, come on guys.



Edited, May 14th 2009 6:45pm by Laecy
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#2 May 14 2009 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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good to know i'm not the only one.

I have 2 toons that DE, one at lvl 80, and one on the way to 80.
At the start of ever instance i tell them i can DE and would be happy to. At the end we all roll and the top rollers win shards.

No problem from me to DE anything as long as i'm not on my way to a raid or someplace i have to be. i level my proffessions for me. Tips and whatnot are just nice little extras that happen from time to time.
#3 May 14 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Laecy wrote:
Just wanted to put that out there in defense of my profession. There are waaay too many whiny posts by enchanters wanting to hog all the shards after an instance.

But I promise not all of us are greedy @#$%s. I always tell people I'm willing and able to DE at the start of a run. If someone asks me to de their green drops, I do so cheerfully. If someone passes on shards at the end, I make a point to thank them for doing so. If someone leaves the group without either taking their shard or specifically saying they pass, I assume they forgot, and I put it in the mail.

Even if enchanting weren't a service industry with plenty of competition, there's no need to be stingy with the shards. It's a very profitable profession. Heck - even if you don't get lucky with green drops or loot rolls, you can just go out, do a couple leftover leveling quests and de the rewards.

I mean, come on guys.



Edited, May 14th 2009 6:45pm by Laecy


I think we're all pretty clear that the situation isn't "Enchanters are greedy pricks", it's "There's greedy pricks that are enchanters".

Jewelcrafters are greedy pricks. (j/k).
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#4Tsuvati, Posted: May 14 2009 at 5:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.
#5 May 14 2009 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.

You, OP, are an idiot.


Correct.

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#6 May 14 2009 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Tsuvati wrote:
Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.


In an MMO where cooperation is a central theme to the game? Yeah, pretty much.
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#7 May 14 2009 at 8:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.

You, OP, are an idiot.


/eyeroll

Enchanting is plenty profitable. I serve myself quite adequately. DE'ing for groups helps other people and does not hurt me. It's not a difficult decision.
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#8 May 14 2009 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.

You, OP, are an idiot.


Yawn - slight difference between not serving others and QQing "everything that drops is MINE!!!"

The OP's post was in response to the monthly post of some self-absorbed enchanter that thinks that every BOP greed roll item from an instance should automatically become his property so he can have the shard.

But you would know that now, wouldn't you, since you're one of the self-absorbed chanters posting one of said QQ threads?

Talk about an idiot. ;-)

edited upon noticing that poster was one of the monthly QQers

Edited, May 15th 2009 3:21am by rusttle
#9 May 15 2009 at 2:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.


Why yes, yes they are.
#10 May 15 2009 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.

Quoted for truth. Disenchanting is probably the most profitable profession. You can easily afford to purchase anything you need from the AH that you don't have on hand. That really means that if you want to hog every shard from an instance, you really are a "greedy prick".
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#11 May 15 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tsuvati wrote:
Yes because everyone who levels their profession to NOT serve other people are greedy pricks.

Quoted for truth. Disenchanting is probably the most profitable profession. You can easily afford to purchase anything you need from the AH that you don't have on hand. That really means that if you want to hog every shard from an instance, you really are a "greedy prick".

I actually don't mind the greed as much as the selfishness.

"Yes, I've joined up with you guys in a collaborative effort to accomplish something none of us could do individually. We all have to do our part and pull our weight. There's a service I could provide to the group that costs me nothing, but I'm not going to do it. Why refuse to? Because I can. Nyaah."
#12Tsuvati, Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:37 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Hey, inbreds, I didn't say I deserve every drop. I did say I wouldn't DE unless I felt like it. It's not greedy, it's preference.
#13 May 15 2009 at 8:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, inbreds, I didn't say I deserve every drop. I did say I wouldn't DE unless I felt like it. It's not greedy, it's preference.

Ever heard of a "service"? Yeah, you pay for those.

You asshats can keep whining about how the big bad enchanters make all the money while I sit back and get my shards anyway :)


Why so bitter? Does your girlfriend charge you for her "service" too?

Protip: "Inbred" is not a noun, and using it as such makes you seem like a third-grader who is leafing through his father's dictionary looking for insults only confirms the previously formed opinions of everyone else here.
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#14 May 15 2009 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, inbreds, I didn't say I deserve every drop. I did say I wouldn't DE unless I felt like it. It's not greedy, it's preference.

Ever heard of a "service"? Yeah, you pay for those.


So how much should the healer charge for the service of healing you during an instance? What should the tank charge for the service of taunting a mob off of you? What's a fair price for buffs during the run?

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You asshats can keep whining about how the big bad enchanters make all the money while I sit back and get my shards anyway :)


If you've got so much gold then why QQ that peeps aren't giving you all the shards from instances? ;-)
#15 May 16 2009 at 1:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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So how much should the healer charge for the service of healing you during an instance?

Oooh, I like that idea. 1s per heal and extra for buffs and rezzes would probably make a nice amount Smiley: lol
#16 May 16 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I'd go with 1s per point healed if I were you, say 10g a buff and 100g a rez - this guy claims he's a dps and with his attitude I'm betting he pulls agro and dies a lot.
#17 May 16 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd go with 1s per point healed if I were you, say 10g a buff and 100g a rez - this guy claims he's a dps and with his attitude I'm betting he pulls agro and dies a lot.


200g per B-rez or Ankh. Reagents are a pain in the ***.
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#18 May 16 2009 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd go with 1s per point healed if I were you, say 10g a buff and 100g a rez - this guy claims he's a dps and with his attitude I'm betting he pulls agro and dies a lot

I'm liking this more and more. When do we start to introduce this pay per heal system? Smiley: sly
#19 May 16 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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I never get these rants...

Shards from items you win? Yours.

Shards from items others won that you DE? Theirs.

Either way, the normal rules of need vs. greed apply. If you want a chance at it, greed it. If you don't pass it.

Plus, once you are at cap especially, who cares about having mats. 99% of the people that want one bring their own mats and tip. You having the items only helps you.

Thus, more reason why people shouldn't pass so you can hog the shards.

Now, RECIPES should be specified at the start of raids. Are you passing them to those with that profession (and who has what), or are you all needing?

That is the ONLY point I think can be contested. Because, while that IS money for the rest of the group, it is still a large boost character-wise for you. It is the same, to me, as needing a BoE blue or purple that is unusable by your class but an upgrade for another. But this is why I clear the group loot rules before.
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#20 May 17 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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I never get these rants...


I can understand to a certain degree - the chanters see that everyone else has sole dibs to their raw mats and they feel that they should have the same exclusive rights to their source of raw mats.

The problem in their thought process is that they don't take into account that other classes cause zero loss when they gather mats - if no one else in the party can skin then no one would have had a chance at the leather I skin from the mobs, if there are no other miners then the mineral node is lost, no other herbalists means that plant goes unpicked - as such, when someone skins/mines/herbs the other party members lose nothing since none of them could have gotten any profit out of the corpse/node.

On the other hand, all of those blue/purple BoP items would have been sold to a merchant for gold if there was no chanter in the party to DE them, so while the chanter can make the BoP items into something other then gold, the fact is that the party would have gotten use for those items even without the chanter, thus meaning that giving the chanter al the BoPs does cause a loss for the party.
#21 May 17 2009 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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"Yes, I've joined up with you guys in a collaborative effort to accomplish something none of us could do individually. We all have to do our part and pull our weight. There's a service I could provide to the group that costs me nothing, but I'm not going to do it. Why refuse to? Because I can. Nyaah."


For the record, I stopped D/Eing for PUG dungeon runs with my hunter not because I was lazy, or because I was mean...I was both of those things, but that's not why I didn't speak up when folks asked if there was an enchanter in the group. I stopped doing it because it was never the three seconds for the D/E...it was waiting for people to finish the transaction. I'm wanting to get on with my life and I'm stuck standing over the corpse of some random boss waiting for a handful of drooling buffoons to accept the trades and click accept. And ya, I was the kind of guy who would get fed up and start counting after I sent the trade request...if I got to 10 without a trade window opening, the shard just became mine. Not because I had any pressing need for it, but because I wasn't interested in waiting around. Obviously it couldn't have been that important.

Having said that...

Tsuvati...just give it up. You did well to lay low after your guild loot whoring debacle; now you can't help but go off on people because they don't back your mindless egocentrism. You're not a very nice person. Get used to having people call you on it. Between the guild loot policies and now this, I think you'd do well to simply assume that if you've got an opinion on a policy or convention revolving around who gets what and why, you're wrong. Just wrong. Don't defend it, don't get all uppity and start calling names. Just get some zen around your wrongness and move on. Srsly. You'll just be doing yourself a favor.
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I'd go with 1s per point healed if I were you, say 10g a buff and 100g a rez - this guy claims he's a dps and with his attitude I'm betting he pulls agro and dies a lot

I'm liking this more and more. When do we start to introduce this pay per heal system? Smiley: sly


LOL I like this idea too! Think someone can write us an add on that keeps track of how much fellow party members owe you? Also, it should send a message to the entire party when you get an invite: "By inviting me to your party, all members agree to pay (list of fees). A deposit of (X gold) will be collected in advance and any surplus refunded to you at the end of the run."

Seriously, when I play my chanter, I have absolutely no problem DEing for the group. Nor do I expect that all shards belong to me. That would be patently ridiculous.

1) If the items weren't de'd they'd still be valuable to other party members for vendor sales if nothing else.

2) I am leveling enchanting for MY benefit. Therefore however much it cost me to level, I would have done it anyway. Since I've already done the work, why NOT offer the benefit to other party members (presumably folks who are helping me level my character and finish quests more easily than I would alone)?

3) It takes just a few moments out of my life and costs me nothing.

4) It creates goodwill.```

5) And when all is said and done, I'm not a d**k.

#23Tsuvati, Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To: Idiot who argued how inbred is used. Welcome to the internet. We use verbs and adjectives as nouns now. Get with it.
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To: Idiot who argued how inbred is used. Welcome to the internet. We use verbs and adjectives as nouns now. Get with it.


Golly gee, mister, you sure have shown me the erroneous of my exist. Clearly my weak intellectual is no competing for your mighty think!

Show me please how to astound the populating as you do!

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To: Idiot who argued how inbred is used. Welcome to the internet. We use verbs and adjectives as nouns now. Get with it.


So you're saying that due to this being the internet we should accept the fact that idiots like you are going to mangle the English language due to a combo of low intelligence and poor English skills - check! ;-)

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To: Morons who seem to think EVERY job of a class is suddenly payable.
You should quit WoW, forever. Your ignorance has reached a level so high that even every windowlicker out there now looks down on you.


See, that's where the disadvantage of low intelligence kicks in - an inability to recognize sarcasm and/or when someone is demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.

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You play a class, you HAVE to do your job or you have no purpose existing. As a chanter, I leveled a profession for -me- not you, -me-. I leveled something for -my- benefit.


Then why should people give up the BoP items which they could sell just so that you can have a shard or crystal for your benefit?

See, that's the problem with your 'logic' - you're sitting there screaming that people are being greedy because they don't want to let you have everything.

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Should I also enchant all your gear free?


If you expect us to give you all of those shards and abyss crystals, then yes, you should since we're contributing to you leveling and upgrading your enchanting.

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Because god knows that those rods were free for me from pugs! Oh wait, no, I spent the thousands of gold between them all.


See, this is where that lack of intelligence on your part kicks in again - you're demanding the BoP items, which have value both as shards/crystals and merchant bait, yet you're QQing that people would like you to perform the zero-cost-to-you action of DEing the BoP items that they win in a greed roll.

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Seriously. It was a very simple issue of "is this new" and all the lickers had to show up and bring even lower class speds with them.


Sorry friend, but you're the window licker/sped here - the OP made a post in defense of chanters, reminding folks that not all chanters are greedy little bastards that want every shard for themselves and who refuse to shard stuff for the rest of the group. He didn't mention you by name nor did he link to your post.

Instead, you came in and started going spastic and cussing out everyone and anyone who agreed with him.

Sorry buddy, but you're the moron that came in and started throwing a tantrum.

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And for that we're quite thankful.

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Isn't the guy who comes into a thread and starts screaming at people the one who needs to get out - ie/you? ;-)

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I'm not going to argue further. As the above mentioned, you do your thing we'll do ours.


We can only hope you'll stand by your statement.

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One other reason I stopped.


****, couldn't even keep your word that long - ah well, as noted, this is the internet. >_<

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People are whiny children(as this thread shows VERY well)


ROTFLMAO!!! I take it that your limited intellect can't grasp irony either?

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and if they win items or orbs, I refuse them shards.


Do you share this loot rule with them before the run or only at the end so that you come off as a ninja?

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They got something, so the rest go to the rest of us. Makes perfect sense to me, yet there are always people out there who cry about how they got an upgrade and orb, but still deserve to roll on Abyss or Dream Shards. No. Done with the whiners. Now I just greed on things and keep my mouth shut :)


I'll take that as a no then - something that you spring on them at the end of the run.

Well don't worry kid - with your attitude and behavior you not only wont have to worry about us not grouping with you, but pretty soon, I doubt anyone but the most worthless muppets on your server will be willing to group with you.

Think about it kiddo - you have to pug a lot for a reason and its not your leet dps. ;-)
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So you're saying that due to this being the internet we should accept the fact that idiots like you are going to mangle the English language due to a combo of low intelligence and poor English skills

But dnt dey alrdy do dat?

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They got something, so the rest go to the rest of us. Makes perfect sense to me, yet there are always people out there who cry about how they got an upgrade and orb, but still deserve to roll on Abyss or Dream Shards. No.

Why? Why should they not be entitled to roll on shards that have come from gear that was available to everybody? I'd expect to be able to roll on what an item disenchanted into even if I'd already got an upgrade and/or won an orb. I asked my guild whether they would and every single one who was online answered that they would too. I wouldn't group twice with anyone with that attitude and would also warn everybody I knew about that person. Especially if this rule was sprung on the group at the end.
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