New BS Recipes Unrealistic?Follow

I'm just browsing the new patterns added in 3.1 for blacksmithing and I've come to conclusion that they are going to be unrealistic to make and sell, or be a worthy upgrade for the blacksmith.

For example, take your Spiked Titansteel Treads, at 3 titansteel bars (approx. 330 gold), 4 saronite bars (approx 10 gold) and a frozen orb (approx 50 gold) gives us a grand total of 390 gold for the components. They sell on my server for around 800 - 900 gold a pair.

Quick reference spiked titansteel treads stats:

1541 Armour
+80 strength
+67 stamina
+35 critical strike rating

Now take your Battlelord's Plate Boots, at 10 titansteel bars (approx 1100 gold), 25 saronite bars (approx. 62 gold) and 6 runed orb (approx. 15000 (median Alla price) gold (well for 18 emblems of conquest why wouldn't they be!)), gives us a grand total of 16,162 gold, just for the components.

Quick reference battlelord's plate boots stats:

1614 armour
+69 strength
+126 stamina
Red socket
Blue socket
Socket bonus +6 strength
+49 critical strike rating
+48 haste rating

Clearly they are an improvement on the spiked titansteel treads, but at what cost? Who's going to pay that amount of gold for a crafted item, when you can gear run Naxx for boots which are better than the crafted titansteel treads.

I know as the runed orbs become more popular the price will come down, but by how much?

Is my theory wrong?

1982 Hyundai vs. 2009 Ferrari.


Some people are content to spend a nickle on a car if it does the job.

Some people are willing to spend a lot for exotic & shiny.

Some people are willing to spend a lot if it is the absolute best and will make their life easier. Bonus points if its shiny and exotic.

Are the runed orbs raid drops? If that is the case then I can see the price dropping. If they remain an 18 emblem of conquest purchase I can't see it.

I believe they drop like badges, one off of each boss.

These are the shiny new items. It's similar to Sunwell recipes. Sunmotes only came from SWP, so you were out of luck unless you bought them at high prices. What these will do is, in a few months when there is nothing left to buy with Conquest emblems, people can spend them on runed orbs.

I highly doubt the price for these items will drop below 5k, however.

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Edited, Apr 24th 2009 10:35am by Goggy

While they are not a major increase you have to realize that people will tend to spend incredible amounts for miniscule upgrades. For instance take enchanting look at the difference in cost from 63 spell power to 50 spell power. While this may not seem worth in many top end people flock to it.

Really when the only upgrades you can get are tiny upgrades you will get them if you want to be the best.

It depends. The LWed mail belt and boots are both best-in-slot for hunters, for example (by miniscule amounts perhaps, but that's assuming you've gotten the second-best-in-slots to drop and had enough DKP/won the roll). I'll certainly be getting the belt made ASAP, but not buying it off the open market.

Oki-doke looks like a BS on TH got the Belt of the Titans recipe.

They were charging your mats + 200g. I've noticed WoW Reader data has made it to Alla for this item now, median AH price 20,000g

Lets hope the recent post about the possibility of more abundant runic orbs will bring this down a bit.

The expensive mats used for high-end epics and crafted raid gear's nothing new, the materials have instead been simplified; look up the mats for Sulfuron's Hammer, Heartseeker, Arcanite Champion/Reaper, and such things. Instead of the huge variety of materials, however, instead things have been focused and simplified. If you and your friends can do the content, and your gathering professions are high enough, then for the most part there's no problem getting things made, but now instead of materials you have to go through four different zones with rare components and terrible drop rates, things have been streamlined very well, and now materials are easy to gather while you're doing other things (herbalism/mining in Wintergrasp, for example).

Alla/WoWhead/whatever AH medians for stuff like that are pretty meaningless. Those median prices are best applied to commonly available items, and crafted items that require materials that can only be obtained from current top end raiding content aren't exactly what a reasonable person would call "commonly available". The fact that the people accumulating the orbs/emblems right now are using the lion's share of them to upgrade their own toons means that the already relatively rare supply is kept under tight controls.

In short, expecting to be able to buy crafted epics requiring materials from current raid content for anything short of your first born, your soul, and your arm, leg, and left ******** is pretty unrealistic. 9-12 months from now when the top guilds are progressing through Icecrown Citadel hard modes and everyone else is still plugging away through weekly Ulduar/easy mode IC farming runs you'll still be paying out the *** for crafted epics from Ulduar if you can't farm the components yourself. It'll just be the difference between epic flight and a traveler's tundra mammoth.