Okay, maybe I'm just slow. Rather than do the smart thing, and start off with two gathering professions, I leveled my lock main as a tailor/enchanter. I was new to the game and all I could think of was having big bags. Granted the shadoweave set was great, so no big problems yet.
When the lock needed iron buckles for her tailoring I created a priest and made her a miner/blacksmith. Yes, I knew she'd never be able to wear her own stuff, but I at least hoped at some point she could make a nifty mace. Thus far she hasn't been able to create a single item that's better than what she gets as quest rewards.
Then WotLK came out and I made a DK. Since I was dying to try inscription, I made her a miner/scribe. (I figured the mining would both support my bs, engineer and jewelcrafter, plus have higher level ores to sell and my two herbalists could send her herbs.)
Now that my Priest/bs has finally turned oodles of mithril and other expensive mats into various weapons for the weaponsmith quest, and now that my DK has gotten her scribing up to where she can make the Shadowy Tarot (can't give the exact levels, since the servers are down) it has FINALLY occurred to me that the DK would benefit more from the ability to make armor and the priest could just as well do the inscription.
Two things make me hesitant to change - first, the idea that since the DK is lvl 60, while the priest is only 40, the DK would be in position to make higher level armor/weapon vellum for the enchanter sooner (so she can level her enchanting without wasting enchants on herself - I can't stand hanging out in town trying to hawk my enchants). The other is the sheer cost in herbs and ores (or the time/energy to wander around lowbie areas) it's taken to get this far.
So, should I powerlevel the DK's scribing to the point where she can make a huge stack of vellum for the enchanter, and then dump it, or just buck up and buy my vellum from the AH? (Being an alt-o-holic, my characters aren't rich, and I'm still trying to save up 10k for my 80 lock and 70 druid to get artisan flying.)
Wah! Can somebody hold my hand?
Edited, Jan 27th 2009 9:25am by lionlemur
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This is just my two cents here, but if you're going to level a profession from scratch, you may want to consider leveling two. I've done inscription, and I know it can be a pain to power level, but here's my advice.
Go scribe with a different toon. they only have to be 70 to get outland recipes, and people are selling inks and pigments on the AH and the prices are going down.
Take the time to level up your mining before you spend too much time in outland. it goes faster than you might think, and if you don't have a miner who's at least the same level as your BS, you're going to spend a LOT of gold on ore and other mats.
level up the blacksmithing, and if you're impatient like me, use the saved metal, the metal you get from leveling your mining, and then spend a couple thousand gold on mats to get the profession to 300 cause it still takes annoying mats that nobody farms anymore (last I checked)
and enjoy the benefits of having complementary professions (have your new scribe level up herbalism)
I realize it's a lot of work, but I think it'll be easier in the long run than trying to juggle mats between a number of different-leveled alts.
Go scribe with a different toon. they only have to be 70 to get outland recipes, and people are selling inks and pigments on the AH and the prices are going down.
Take the time to level up your mining before you spend too much time in outland. it goes faster than you might think, and if you don't have a miner who's at least the same level as your BS, you're going to spend a LOT of gold on ore and other mats.
level up the blacksmithing, and if you're impatient like me, use the saved metal, the metal you get from leveling your mining, and then spend a couple thousand gold on mats to get the profession to 300 cause it still takes annoying mats that nobody farms anymore (last I checked)
and enjoy the benefits of having complementary professions (have your new scribe level up herbalism)
I realize it's a lot of work, but I think it'll be easier in the long run than trying to juggle mats between a number of different-leveled alts.
Just clarify, based on what Concolor said:
I already have 2 herbalists, a lvl 30 who also skins, and a lvl 70. The 70 (an alchemist) is pretty close to capped on her herbalism, so getting herbs for the scribe is not a problem, merely time consuming. In fact, the only reason the DK is currently stalled in her scribing is that I'd actually like to play and level my druid rather than sending her to some lowbie area to pick herbs.
The DK is 304 mining, and again, getting mats if I switch her to bs, is merely going to be time consuming, nothing else. She just hit 60 but hasn't spent much time in Outlands because I wanted to level her mining, cooking and fishing, so that I wouldn't have to bypass a node because she wasn't high enough to gather it. (I HATE bypassing nodes!)
I don't want to switch the 70 from alchemy to scribing - I like the potions and flasks she provides both for herself and my main.
I COULD switch the Priest from mining to herbalism, but frankly I like the gold that mining brings. With 4 miners and only 3 alts with professions that actually use mining, I'm actually ending up with surplus ore now. Herbs actually go pretty cheap on my server - not cheap enough for me to spend a lot of gold powerleveling, but not expensive enough that I foresee making a great profit with it, thus why I only have 2 herbalists.
Mailing mats back and forth is not a problem - I do it anyhow to empty my bags when I'm not near a bank.
Again, the big challenge is whether I want to wait long enough for vellum for my enchanter. I'm not the powerleveling type (speaking of class levels not professions) and I rarely have time to group (which means instances are not often possible) so it will be a long time till my 40 priest hits 70.
I already have 2 herbalists, a lvl 30 who also skins, and a lvl 70. The 70 (an alchemist) is pretty close to capped on her herbalism, so getting herbs for the scribe is not a problem, merely time consuming. In fact, the only reason the DK is currently stalled in her scribing is that I'd actually like to play and level my druid rather than sending her to some lowbie area to pick herbs.
The DK is 304 mining, and again, getting mats if I switch her to bs, is merely going to be time consuming, nothing else. She just hit 60 but hasn't spent much time in Outlands because I wanted to level her mining, cooking and fishing, so that I wouldn't have to bypass a node because she wasn't high enough to gather it. (I HATE bypassing nodes!)
I don't want to switch the 70 from alchemy to scribing - I like the potions and flasks she provides both for herself and my main.
I COULD switch the Priest from mining to herbalism, but frankly I like the gold that mining brings. With 4 miners and only 3 alts with professions that actually use mining, I'm actually ending up with surplus ore now. Herbs actually go pretty cheap on my server - not cheap enough for me to spend a lot of gold powerleveling, but not expensive enough that I foresee making a great profit with it, thus why I only have 2 herbalists.
Mailing mats back and forth is not a problem - I do it anyhow to empty my bags when I'm not near a bank.
Again, the big challenge is whether I want to wait long enough for vellum for my enchanter. I'm not the powerleveling type (speaking of class levels not professions) and I rarely have time to group (which means instances are not often possible) so it will be a long time till my 40 priest hits 70.
Well, if you’ve got the patience to level your priest’s blacksmithing to endgame levels, the blacksmithing bonus sockets would be as valuable to him/her as to any plate character, and you can make yourself a Titansteel Guardian and mail your DK all the BOE greens/blues he’ll want. But I advise against that…Blizzard designed the profession primarily for plate wearers, so chances are the future state of the profession will not be good for priests.
But inscription is a perfectly reasonable profession for a Death Knight. Oh sure, the BOP offhands are useless, but the endgame shoulder inscriptions are just terrific, roughly the equivalent of the blacksmith bonus sockets. Since the endgame craftables from blacksmithing are nearly all BOE, you might as well just buy them with the money you’ll save by leveling the much cheaper inscription instead of blacksmithing.
Assuming you don’t want them both to be scribes, why not switch your priest to jewelcrafting? It sounds like you have plenty of mithril to carry you through the early stages, and the thorium phase will be much shorter than it would be if you were getting your DK through blacksmithing. Jewelcrafting is a terrific profession at endgame levels: the benefits of socketing Dragonseyes are roughly equivalent to inscription enchants or blacksmith sockets (or ring enchants, etc.), the BoP trinkets are useful, the daily quest is immensely profitable, and cutting gems and disenchanting greens can make gold too.
But inscription is a perfectly reasonable profession for a Death Knight. Oh sure, the BOP offhands are useless, but the endgame shoulder inscriptions are just terrific, roughly the equivalent of the blacksmith bonus sockets. Since the endgame craftables from blacksmithing are nearly all BOE, you might as well just buy them with the money you’ll save by leveling the much cheaper inscription instead of blacksmithing.
Assuming you don’t want them both to be scribes, why not switch your priest to jewelcrafting? It sounds like you have plenty of mithril to carry you through the early stages, and the thorium phase will be much shorter than it would be if you were getting your DK through blacksmithing. Jewelcrafting is a terrific profession at endgame levels: the benefits of socketing Dragonseyes are roughly equivalent to inscription enchants or blacksmith sockets (or ring enchants, etc.), the BoP trinkets are useful, the daily quest is immensely profitable, and cutting gems and disenchanting greens can make gold too.
LOL actually I already have Jewelcrafting on my Shammy. Thus far I'm finding it relatively easy to level because of all the hand-me-down ore she's getting.
Right now I have every profession on one character or another.
Lvl 24 Shaman JC/Mining
Lvl 26 Mage Engineer/Mining
Lvl 31 Rogue Herb/Skinner
Lvl 32 Hunter LW/Skinner
Lvl 40 Priest BS/Miner
Lvl 60 DK Scribe/Miner
Lvl 70 Druid Alch/Herb
Lvl 80 Lock Tailor/Chanter
Right now I have every profession on one character or another.
Lvl 24 Shaman JC/Mining
Lvl 26 Mage Engineer/Mining
Lvl 31 Rogue Herb/Skinner
Lvl 32 Hunter LW/Skinner
Lvl 40 Priest BS/Miner
Lvl 60 DK Scribe/Miner
Lvl 70 Druid Alch/Herb
Lvl 80 Lock Tailor/Chanter
Switch now if you think you'll have problem later on. Especially scribe. You get what, 1 new minor glyph per 3 days or something? If you want to have a full stack of recipes later on, you'd be better off working towards that today than a while from now.
Thanks folks! Having considered your responses I am switching the Priest to Herbalism/Scribing, the DK to blacksmithing and the Rogue Herbalist/Skinner to Mining/Skinning.
Going to need herbs anyway, so as pointed out, why not level herbalism and scribing at the same time. As for the Rogue, since she's a double gatherer, it doesn't really matter what she gathers.
I'll regret the "wasted" mats and recipes of the past and the loss of a couple mining sacks and cenarion herb bags, but in the end, I think my characters will be a lot happier that way.
Going to need herbs anyway, so as pointed out, why not level herbalism and scribing at the same time. As for the Rogue, since she's a double gatherer, it doesn't really matter what she gathers.
I'll regret the "wasted" mats and recipes of the past and the loss of a couple mining sacks and cenarion herb bags, but in the end, I think my characters will be a lot happier that way.
I went crazy with profession alts. The breakdown of my toons goes something like this:
Druid - 450 skinning/440+ leatherworking/440 cooking/~420 fishing
Paladin - 450 mining/450 engineering
Rogue - 450 herbalism/430+ inscription
Death Knight - 441 blacksmithing/414 tailoring
Hunter - ~400 enchanting/440+ alchemy
Warrior - 300 mining (lol)/~440 jewelcrafting
As it stands, anything and everything my paladin needs for raiding consumables and augments I can make myself or at the very least, I can produce the base materials (rare gems and enchanting mats, for example). I haven't done a single daily on my paladin in weeks and unless we have a rough progression night or an off night in Naxx, gold drops from trash and bosses pay my repair bills, and alts supply me with food, flasks/elixirs/potions, leg armor kits, gems, enchants/enchanting mats, eternal belt buckles, adamantite weapon chains (my prefered weapon enchant atm).
It's good that the OP is planning now, because some tradeskills are tedious to level and once you've got it leveled, dropping it for something else is just...ouch.
Something I would recommend is to ensure that the toons you are most inclined to level get the gathering professions taken care of. It's easy to level profession alts if you've got toons that can quickly and easily do all the necessary gathering, and can save a fortune having to buy mats from auction. Mining/herbalism/skinning are invaluable to have if you're going to try to cover all the profession bases. It's also nice that you have a high level enchanter, because a lot of Azeroth enchanting mats still sell for a decent amount (mostly due to rarity) which can offset your leveling costs (and even turn a profit in certain stages.) Ship all the greens you produce to your enchanter, yadda yadda.
It's nice to have a little extra incentive to head out and burn off some rested xp on your alts. I currently raid 4 nights/week which limits time to level alts, but when I get the chance I cruise around on my DK (will hit 74 soon for easy access to the Maw of Neltharion = Ebonweave) and at some point I'll start burning off some rested xp on my warrior so that eventually he'll be able to do JC dailies (long way to go on that one...he's just barely level 60).
Druid - 450 skinning/440+ leatherworking/440 cooking/~420 fishing
Paladin - 450 mining/450 engineering
Rogue - 450 herbalism/430+ inscription
Death Knight - 441 blacksmithing/414 tailoring
Hunter - ~400 enchanting/440+ alchemy
Warrior - 300 mining (lol)/~440 jewelcrafting
As it stands, anything and everything my paladin needs for raiding consumables and augments I can make myself or at the very least, I can produce the base materials (rare gems and enchanting mats, for example). I haven't done a single daily on my paladin in weeks and unless we have a rough progression night or an off night in Naxx, gold drops from trash and bosses pay my repair bills, and alts supply me with food, flasks/elixirs/potions, leg armor kits, gems, enchants/enchanting mats, eternal belt buckles, adamantite weapon chains (my prefered weapon enchant atm).
It's good that the OP is planning now, because some tradeskills are tedious to level and once you've got it leveled, dropping it for something else is just...ouch.
Something I would recommend is to ensure that the toons you are most inclined to level get the gathering professions taken care of. It's easy to level profession alts if you've got toons that can quickly and easily do all the necessary gathering, and can save a fortune having to buy mats from auction. Mining/herbalism/skinning are invaluable to have if you're going to try to cover all the profession bases. It's also nice that you have a high level enchanter, because a lot of Azeroth enchanting mats still sell for a decent amount (mostly due to rarity) which can offset your leveling costs (and even turn a profit in certain stages.) Ship all the greens you produce to your enchanter, yadda yadda.
It's nice to have a little extra incentive to head out and burn off some rested xp on your alts. I currently raid 4 nights/week which limits time to level alts, but when I get the chance I cruise around on my DK (will hit 74 soon for easy access to the Maw of Neltharion = Ebonweave) and at some point I'll start burning off some rested xp on my warrior so that eventually he'll be able to do JC dailies (long way to go on that one...he's just barely level 60).
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