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#1 Dec 03 2008 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
i was Herb/Alchemist since the days when i was raiding MC...

it was good... pots were expensive then... those fire resist potions were amazing... then the flasks...

selling herbs in TBC was fine...

but now, it seems that we're SOL... not too much need for potions/flasks/elixirs any more... maybe i'm thinking prematurely... not many guilds are raiding...

i was thinking of mining and blacksmithing again...
mining is easy to level... just stay out of the AH...

BS on the other hand... there's my dilemma...

so here's my choices...

1) Keep Alch/Herb till raiding picks up and see how that goes...
2) go Gathering, make gold, go on a spending spree... who cares if the gold dots show for both herb and nodes? will it show? can i track only one item?
3) Go BS/Mining... and watch my gold go down the drain?

thanks...
#2 Dec 03 2008 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I can only answer your question about gathering , you can only track one thing at a time and would have to constantly switch the tracking to see both.
#3 Dec 04 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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but now, it seems that we're SOL... not too much need for potions/flasks/elixirs any more... maybe i'm thinking prematurely... not many guilds are raiding...


What is the change to flasks and elixirs? I understand potions can't be chain chugged, but didn't know that flasks/elixirs were getting slammed too.
#4 Dec 04 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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As far as I know, there has been no change to either elixirs or flasks. Unless you count the Mixology buff alchemists now have that increases the effects of elixirs/flasks they can make themselves upon them.
#5 Dec 05 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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If you want to change to mining/blacksmithing, it doesn't really have to cost you that much.
All of the ore/stones you get in the low areas are used for low-level blacksmithing, all the ore/stones you get in the medium-level areas are used for mid-level blacksmithing, etc.

There really isn't a need anymore to choose armorsmith or weaponsmith as there are not great bonuses in WotLK for one or the other (at least not so far), so you can skip specialization if you want to and still get blacksmithing up to 450 easily. Once you get your blacksmithing to the 400 range you can make some fantastic stuff for yourself, and even make money off of the AH for crafted pieces. (The tanking stuff blacksmiths can make now sells very well, and everyone needs an eternal belt buckle).

If you do switch, just use what you mine to level your blacksmithing. The extra expense only comes if you buy materials from the AH, which really shouldn't be necessary unless you are trying to powerlevel it really quickly.
#6 Dec 05 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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No, anything he uses instead of sells is money lost. If you use something you could have sold on the AH, it is equivalent of losing the money you would have gained by selling it.
#7 Dec 05 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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As far as I know, there has been no change to either elixirs or flasks. Unless you count the Mixology buff alchemists now have that increases the effects of elixirs/flasks they can make themselves upon them.


If that's the case, then alchemists aren't really affected much at all. Yeah, you won't be selling as many pots, but most of the mats can be used to make elixirs, which will still sell just as much as before. Right?

I'm not 100% sure as I haven't leveled my Alch alt yet.
#8 Dec 08 2008 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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I am not saying that the opportunity cost of production is 0. Far from it. However, I am saying that it is possible to farm all of the mats needed for blacksmithing without having to actually buy anything from the AH, so out-of-pocket costs are not needed.

If I want a birdhouse, I can go buy a birdhouse from a store, or I can use some scraps of wood I have laying around and some tools to make one myself. Was the one I made myself free? No. Was it less expensive than buying it from the store? Maybe... depends on how I factor in the cost of my time, the percentage of initial cost of the tools used to build the birdhouse, wear and tear on the tools, etc.

However, if building the birdhouse improves my skill, then it probably was worth building it on my own.

Skilling up any production profession in the game either costs time invested, gold invested, or both. To think otherwise would be silly. However, to think that skilling up blacksmithing cannot be done with mats you can farm on your own is equally silly.
#9 Dec 08 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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but now, it seems that we're SOL... not too much need for potions/flasks/elixirs any more... maybe i'm thinking prematurely... not many guilds are raiding...


Yup - you're thinking prematurely, heck, most people haven't even dinged 80 yet so of course there's no raiding yet. I belong to one of the top horde guilds on my server and we haven't gotten an official raid schedule up so no point in even pretending to sweat it.

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selling herbs in TBC was fine...


Are LK herbs not selling?

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i was thinking of mining and blacksmithing again...
mining is easy to level... just stay out of the AH...

BS on the other hand... there's my dilemma...


Actually, it all comes down to cost vs time - my druid started the expansion with 500g in his pocket, at level 80 he's now got close to 4500g in his pocket and he's been doing some spending to boot.

Once you ding 80 you'll be earning 10-20g per quest done and that's not counting pocket change the mobs drop, vendor trash and greens, so the reality is that the time it'd take you to farm the ore to skill up BS can probably be better spent just running quests in the xpac.

So if you want to go BS then here's what you do - keep herbalism and dump alchemy, level up your mining first and just bank all the ore and gems and once you've got mining up to 300, then start working on BS.

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who cares if the gold dots show for both herb and nodes? will it show? can i track only one item?


You can only track one thing at a time so you'll have to keep swapping back and forth between tracking herbs and ore.

The reason I say keep herbalism while leveling mining is so that you can still scoop any herbs you find while looking for ore - with all the inscriptionists out there the herbs will still sell nicely on the AH.
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