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#1 Nov 09 2006 at 12:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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My first encounter with stonescale eels was a few patches ago when they added a substantial number of stonescale pools in Tanaris. Fishing those pools provided a nice source of stonescale eels, granted it wasn't grandoise in any fasion, but I was able to find a few pools every time I went to the coast of Tanaris. Now however, every time I take a trip to the Tanaris coast, all i find are oily's firefin's and floating wreck's, all the stonecale's appear to be heavily farmed by now (as would be expected).

I started trying a new approach in order to get those stonescale's, I tried fishing straight off the coast, but finding the right area proved daunting. I tried off the pier in Feathermoon Stronghold in Feralis, I tried off the Azshura coast, I even tried some random puddle in Felwood. So far my greatest turnout of stonescales was from the pier in Feathermoon, with a whopping 1 eel every 20 or so casts.

I asked everyone I could think of to ask where to go, and the answer I got was to go to Azshara, however the coastline isn't quite far enough. There appears to be numerous islands off the coast of Azshara in what is called the Bay of Storms where lvl 58 elite sea giants roam. This is where my guildies eventually guided me to in search for my wealth in stonescales.

I went there this afternoon all decked out with my brand new big iron fishing pole, a pair of cheap cloth gloves that I had enchanted with a fishing boost, and a stack of aquadynamic fish attractors, and I was all set to fish up the Bay of Storms. When I got there I fished for about an hour without a single stonescale eel biting, and I was about to curse my bad luck when another guildie pointed out to me that the stonescales come out at night!

So here I am at work itching for the week to complete so that I can stay up hour upon hour in the wee hours of the eve fishing for those wily stonescale eels that have as yet escaped the fisherman's grip. Once I have the opportunity to acctually fish the Bay of Storms at night, I will let you all know the results. I did mannage to fish up a healthy ammount of winter squids durring that hour or so, more than I had ever gotten from the pier at Feathermoon Stronghold.
#2 Nov 09 2006 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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1 of the few posts that are actually worth to read.

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#3 Nov 09 2006 at 4:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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After I made the original post, I had the idea to actually check what the website has to say about stonescale eels in general, and I have to say that my observations are confirmed to a "T". The page that describes the eel states from numerous posters that the best time to fish the eels are indeed from 12am to 5am server time. I am ofcourse anxious to try this out.

On a side note, it appears that another nice place for the eels is off the coast of the Hinterlands, which I would have never thought of, considering that I am deathly affraid of the Hinterlands for numerous deaths experienced while I was in my mid to high 40's.
#4 Nov 12 2006 at 10:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, tonight I have finally been able to do a bit of fishing in the Bay of Storms. I started around 10:30pm server time and just took a momentary break at 12:30pm server time to bring this report.

After two hours of fishing, I caught 35 Stonescale eels, used 16 lures, and spent 80 mins actually fishing (since each lure takes 5 mins). There was some chatting and eating icecream bars intermingled within that period of time, but once the lure was on, I didn't let anything distract me in order tobring to you accurate results.

And without further ado, here's the data:

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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___1__/___1__/____1___/____5___/10:30
___2__/___2__/____3___/___10___/
___3__/___1__/____4___/___15___/
___4__/___4__/____8___/___20___/
___5__/___2__/___10___/___25___/11:00
___6__/___2__/___12___/___30___/
___7__/___3__/___15___/___35___/
___8__/___2__/___17___/___40___/
___9__/___2__/___19___/___45___/
__10__/___2__/___21___/___50___/
__11__/___2__/___23___/___55___/
__12__/___0__/___23___/___60___/12:00
__13__/___1__/___24___/___65___/
__14__/___4__/___28___/___70___/
__15__/___4__/___32___/___75___/
__16__/___3__/___35___/___80___/12:30

I will continue to update this fishing report as I continue to gather data.

Edit: inability to make tables FTL :(

Edited, Nov 12th 2006 at 11:28pm PST by fitzerific
#5 Nov 13 2006 at 1:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ugh, fishing all night! Here's the next bit of data from 1:30am to 3:15am this morning. If I can keep up with this determination in recording this data, I'm pretty sure that I can calculate a kind of trend that may or may not allow me to predict what time of day (or night rather) the best chances to fish up the stonescales are. Ofcourse, rather I would suspect that the actual chances of catching a stonescale at any particular time of day is a completely random occurrance, but I'm a nerd, so here you go:

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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__17__/___4__/___39___/___85___/01:30
__18__/___1__/___40___/___90___/
__19__/___7__/___47___/___95___/01:45
__20__/___5__/___52___/__100___/
__21__/___2__/___54___/__105___/02:00
__22__/___3__/___57___/__110___/
__23__/___2__/___59___/__115___/02:15
__24__/___6__/___65___/__120___/
__25__/___4__/___69___/__125___/02:30
__26__/___4__/___73___/__130___/
__27__/___4__/___77___/__135___/
__28__/___0__/___77___/__140___/02:45
__29__/___2__/___79___/__145___/
__30__/___2__/___81___/__150___/03:00
__31__/___3__/___84___/__155___/
__32__/___6__/___90___/__160___/
__33__/___3__/___93___/__165___/03:15

Well, that's your next chunk of raw unadulterated data that all those statisticians who may or may not be nerdier than me can stuff into their T-200's and generate whatever graphical whoosit whatzit that they can mannage.
#6 Nov 13 2006 at 8:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I got an early start tonight, but mannaged to capture some data for 9pm to 10pm.

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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___1__/___3__/____3___/____5___/20:45
___2__/___1__/____4___/___10___/
___3__/___1__/____5___/___15___/21:00
___4__/___2__/____7___/___20___/21:15
___5__/___2__/____9___/___25___/
___6__/___0__/____9___/___30___/21:30
___7__/___3__/___12___/___35___/21:45
___8__/___2__/___14___/___40___/
___9__/___0__/___14___/___45___/22:00

Whew, there you go!
#7 Nov 13 2006 at 9:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here are a few excel charts that I had uploaded to photobucket:

Total Stonescale Eels caught per Time Spent Fishing

Total Stonescale Eels caught per Aquadynamic Fish Attractor used

# of Stonescale Eels caught per Aquadynamic Fish Attractor used

These graphs are for the day 1 data, in other words yesterday (Sunday Nov 12th, 2006).

After I have gathered data from tonight, I will try and post it tonight before I go to bed, but I cannot promise.
#8 Nov 14 2006 at 12:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's the next set of data for day#2 from midnight to 2am server time.

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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__10__/___4__/___18___/___50___/00:00
__11__/___4__/___22___/___55___/
__12__/___4__/___26___/___60___/00:15
__13__/___1__/___27___/___65___/
__14__/___4__/___31___/___70___/00:30
__15__/___1__/___32___/___75___/
__16__/___0__/___32___/___80___/00:45
__17__/___1__/___33___/___85___/
__18__/___1__/___34___/___90___/01:00
__19__/___6__/___40___/___95___/01:15
__20__/___6__/___46___/__100___/
__21__/___4__/___50___/__105___/01:30
__22__/___1__/___51___/__110___/
__23__/___3__/___54___/__115___/01:45
__24__/___1__/___55___/__120___/
__25__/___1__/___56___/__125___/02:00
#9 Nov 14 2006 at 4:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's the last bit of data for day#2, I have one more night that I can do this before I go back to work.

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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__26__/___3__/___59___/__130___/03:30
__27__/___2__/___61___/__135___/
__28__/___1__/___62___/__140___/03:45
__29__/___1__/___63___/__145___/
__30__/___1__/___64___/__150___/04:00
__31__/___2__/___66___/__155___/
__32__/___6__/___72___/__160___/04:15
__33__/___2__/___74___/__165___/
__34__/___2__/___76___/__170___/04:30
__35__/___2__/___78___/__175___/
__36__/___3__/___81___/__180___/
__37__/___3__/___84___/__185___/04:45
__38__/___5__/___89___/__190___/
__39__/___1__/___90___/__195___/05:00
#10 Nov 14 2006 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I always thought this would be an interesting project after a friend spent hours fishing for eels during the day with almost no success. Rating <3 for having the patience to run the experiment and post the results.

I also have a couple of questions for you.

(1) Does your data include swarms/nodes?
(2) What is your fishing skill (It looks like 422 with lure based on your earlier comments) and how often do you lose fish in the Bay of Storms?

Thanks again for posting this topic.
#11 Nov 14 2006 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
Rate up for such diligent testing and sharing data. An excellent thread! Smiley: boozing
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#12 Nov 14 2006 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I always thought this would be an interesting project after a friend spent hours fishing for eels during the day with almost no success. Rating <3 for having the patience to run the experiment and post the results.

I also have a couple of questions for you.

(1) Does your data include swarms/nodes?
(2) What is your fishing skill (It looks like 422 with lure based on your earlier comments) and how often do you lose fish in the Bay of Storms?

Thanks again for posting this topic.


Well, other than the very first cast, all the data I have gathered has been taken from practically the same exact spot in Hetaera's Clutch (which is about five steps from the location where the first cast was taken in the Bay of Storms).

Specifically, in order to find a safe spot where I wouldn't be eaten by the sea giants or the really scary hydra, I went to this fairly substantial island with a cave on it right when you enter the bay of storms. The front of the island resides in the Bay of Storms, however as you creep along the left side of the island, you will soon be in Hetaera's Clutch. This is the exact location where I am (sorry no available coordinates, I had to disable that one add on because the one week I actually went into BG's, there was this really annoying pop up error message).

Also I specifically avoided nodes for this experiment, because nodes are random and aren't always there, and I wanted to examine how to fish these rather ellusive little fish straight out of the big blue ocean. I gather that if you are able to locate an area where nodes of stonescales are in abundance, you'll more than likely have a much much higher fishing rate, and much less junk fish.

As far as my fishing skill, I have a natural skill of 300 (without any bonuses), a Big Iron fishing pole (+20 to skill I think), a pair of junk gloves that I put the fishing enchant on (another +5 to skill, I think), and I use only the aquadynamic fish attractor (+100 to skill for 5 miniutes). I have my eye open on the lucky fishing hat, and I read somewhere that there's an attachment that can be put on the pole (I don't know how that works, may be useless). I would also be open to other enchantments if anyone knows about them.

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Rate up for such diligent testing and sharing data. An excellent thread! icon


Thanks Reednut and Wondroustremmor for your input and questions (and especially your rate ups).

Any other input from people, whether to ask questions, provide your support for this little project, to call me a noob or a nerd, or whatever, just post and enjoy the data that I'm providing here!
#13 Nov 14 2006 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for answering my questions. I think the glove enchant is only +2, but I could be wrong. I'm glad you have been avoiding nodes, as it's nice to see the "base" catch rate for the area. There is one question you didn't answer. How many fish get away at your current (422+/-) fishing skill? Do you lose one in five? One in Ten?

I looked at your charts and have a little suggestion if you don't mind the extra effort. Would you please plot "time slot" versus "eels caught/per lure". For example take all eels caught in the time slot between 23:00 and 24:00 and divide by the total lures used to catch those eels. Do the same math for the other one hour time periods and make a bar chart of the results. This handy chart would tell us the best time slot for catching eels. ;)

#14 Nov 14 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oops, forgot to mention fail rates for Reednut's benefit. I actualy haven't recorded any data for fail rate, because its so depressing when you fail an entire fishing cycle (thats about 30seconds you'll never see again, without any semblance of reward to brag to your friends about).

I can only estimate that for each cast, you will most likely see around two failed casts where either the fish gets away, or the bobber never splashes. Sometimes theres more, more often there's none at all. But when there are failed casts, they often occur two in a row, I get really depressed, then the next cast is successfull and I get happy again.

Well, takinmg the kids out to lunch. I'll be in game tonight catching more fish. I got free tickets to go to a Starwars exhibit from my work, which starts at 8:30 pacific time (server time it would be like 10:30pm). I don't know when I'll be home, but I'll get to work as soon as I do.

I also have been working on a new graph which shows # of eels caught every 5 minuits or so, but I can't get a descent x-y scatter chart (which often produces the better graphs on excel) because I've been typing the time in military time, and the research is centered around midnight, which means that for some reason the computer gets confused (because in a standard numberline 01:00 comes before 23:00, but in a timeline 23:00 comes before 01:00), that totally scrooges the whole graph up pretty bad. So I have to figure a better number scheme for the time based such that 11pm comes before 1am and still looks recognisable as an actual time by the readers, a daunting dilema.

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I looked at your charts and have a little suggestion if you don't mind the extra effort. Would you please plot "time slot" versus "eels caught/per lure". For example take all eels caught in the time slot between 23:00 and 24:00 and divide by the total lures used to catch those eels. Do the same math for the other one hour time periods and make a bar chart of the results. This handy chart would tell us the best time slot for catching eels. ;)


I actually do have a # eels caught at specific time chart in a bargraph form (which includes the average from one major time increment to the next, and the actual ammout caught at that exact major time increment. I just haven't posted it yet because I wanted to gather tonights data first and post it all tgehter as the first week of data.

kk, kids getting restless, have fun!

Edited, Nov 14th 2006 at 2:14pm PST by fitzerific
#15 Nov 14 2006 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I can only estimate that for each cast, you will most likely see around two failed casts where either the fish gets away, or the bobber never splashes. Sometimes theres more, more often there's none at all.
Did you mean for each lure?

I look forward to the new data and updated chart. Now if I could just find time to go level my fishing...(I figure I need a base skill of at least 290 to avoid slitting my wrists in the Bay of Storms) :)
#16 Nov 14 2006 at 3:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry, that estimate (for failures) is only per cast, but at one point I estimated around 13-15 casts per lure (5 min lure), but I don't have any fishing add ons and I'm a bit slow on reaction especially since I often have kids hanging off me and watching movies/TV in the background (which is one reason why I take breaks so often between lures).

I'd keep better track of failures and casts per lure more accurately, but that wasn't the scope of this experiment, and my limited attention span would have made me forget if I had to keep track of too much info. Starting next week I'll try and add in failures and #casts per lure if I can find a method to keep track (although I probably won't be able to keep four hour logs, since the wife comes home from Florida on Monday, and before she gets back I need to make the appartment presentable).

I'll start working on getting that chart up, so expect it in a few miniutes.
#17 Nov 14 2006 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's that link for #of Stonescale Eels caught throughout the Day at half hour intervals:

# of Stonescale Eels caught throughout the Day(at 1/2-hr intervals)

I just remembered that I need to post last nights graphs too.

Edit: note that this is only for Sun and Mon night (tonight's not included yet, I'll have to edit the files to accomodate the additional info once I have completed tonight's fishing)

Edited, Nov 14th 2006 at 4:09pm PST by fitzerific
#18 Nov 14 2006 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
Fitz, you've done a marvelous job and put in a lot of work into compilint this information. RATEUP!
#19 Nov 14 2006 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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Graph removed since I agree with Reednut that that graph was the bunk.

I'm working on a better graph for determining trends.

Edited, Nov 15th 2006 at 11:49am PST by fitzerific
#20 Nov 14 2006 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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This was a double post :(


Edited, Nov 15th 2006 at 11:49am PST by fitzerific
#21 Nov 14 2006 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Fitz, you've done a marvelous job and put in a lot of work into compilint this information. RATEUP!


Thanks Mike!
#22 Nov 15 2006 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
So early morning hours are where it's at.


Nice work!

Edited, Nov 15th 2006 at 8:16am PST by thermalnoise
#23 Nov 15 2006 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I made this graph to show the average trend of fishing eels.

Stonescale Eel average Trend Chart
I think there may be something wrong with this chart. The time scale on the bottom looks strange. It doesn't seem to agree with your earlier bar chart, which shows an average peak in the 1:30 am time slot.

I swiped your data and plugged it into an excel sheet. I made the chart described in my earlier post, and it points to the 1~2 am time slot. I see that you caught quite a few eels from 5~6, but you also used more lures. Therefore, the (eels caught/time spent fishing) is actually better between 1~2 am. This is obviously based only on the data you posted, so perhaps the shift comes from additional data. However, I think the only accurate way to compare time periods is by using eels/lure since you don't fish the same amount of time in each period.
#24 Nov 15 2006 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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I can see how my last graph can be confusing, 0.00 is actually 20:00 server time, while 5.00 would be 01:00 server time. I was having problems doing an x-y scatter chart using the time on the x-axis because it put 01:00 before 23:00, and so forth making the graph look like my daughter trying to draw on her kiddie menu at the local restaurant. Sorry about the confusion.

I mannaged to get a little fishing in last night, but only an hour between 02:45 and 03:45 server time. I got tired pretty soon after getting home last night, but here's what I got:

# Lures/#of Eels/Total Eels/Total Mins/ST
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___1__/___1__/____1___/____5___/02:45
___2__/___1__/____2___/___10___/03:00
___3__/___1__/____3___/___15___/03:05
___4__/___2__/____5___/___20___/03:10
___5__/___4__/____9___/___25___/03:20
___6__/___3__/___12___/___30___/03:25
___7__/___3__/___15___/___35___/03:30
___8__/___4__/___19___/___40___/03:35
___9__/___2__/___21___/___45___/03:45

Oh, also keep in mind with that chart is that there are a few areas of time where I didn't fish at all, I'll probably have to redesign that chart to make up for that since.

#25 Nov 15 2006 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a comment tho I didn't read every word of every post as a Horde shaman I was catching these off the coast of the hinterlands.
#26 Nov 15 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just made this chart, keep in mind that 0.00 = 20:00 and every +1 to the time scale is one additional hour. So the peak appears to occur 5hrs after 8pm, or rather 1am. I know it's a bit confusing, I'm sorry.

Here's the link:

Stonescale Eel Trend (From 20:00 to 05:00)

I haven't eliminated those periods of time where I haven't fished, however as I continue, I hope to mannage to fish those times and fill them in to make the graph more accurate.
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