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#1 Jun 10 2005 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
PrayForMojo's/JahBreeze's Guide to Levelling a Tailor to 220 Cheaply

My reason for making a guide on tradeskill efficiency is that I've found in some professions that require a variety of ingredients to build a particular item can make finding the cheapest path difficult to figure out. Being that my first experiment with trade skills was as a blacksmith where recipes are pretty straightforward -- i.e., get a bunch of metal "X" and make a bunch of metal "X" items, etc -- the whole idea of getting a few of a bunch of different items at once seemed kind of daunting at first. Upon further inspection, however, it can be cheaper in some professions to get started because if you allocate your resources efficiently you can get levels making items consisting of cheaper ingredients allowing you to bypass some of the more expensive recipes.

The following info attempts to find the most cost effective way to level them up by picking the cheapest skill route (in money terms). Since this is a first draft, I've done my analysis using just by figuring out the cheapest recipe for a given skill range and Using the list of ingredients for each item, I’ve approximated the cost of levelling each item based on the median cost of ingredients from http://wow.allakhazam.com .

Prices may vary on your server but hopefully this will give you direction if you just want to level up your skill quickly with as little upfront cost as possible.

Below is the chart of my findings. The "Cost" field is the cost of creating the item, the "From" field is the level at which to start creating that item, "To" is when to stop, "#" is the number of times you make that item, and Total Cost is the total money (silver) spent on creating that item.

 
Item name		        Cost	From	To	#	Total Cost 
Bolt of Linen Cloth	        2	1	25	24	48 
Linen Belt		        2.1	25	50	25	52.5 
Heavy Linen Gloves	        4.1	50	60	10	41 
Reinforced Linen Cape	        4.3	60	85	25	107.5 
Bolt of Woolen Cloth	        5.46	85	90	5	27.3 
Woolen Cape		        6.46	90	100	10	64.6 
Woolen Bag		        7	100	105	5	35 
Heavy Woolen Gloves	        7	105	110	5	35 
White Woolen Dress	        18.38	110	125	15	275.7 
Bolt of Silk Cloth	        9	125	135	10	90 
 
Bright Yellow Shirt	        15	135	145	10	150 
Azure Silk Hood	        20	145	155	10	200 
Dark Silk Shirt	        26	155	165	10	260 
Silk Headband		        29	165	170	5	145 
Bolt of Mageweave	        25	175	180	5	125 
Formal White Shirt	        28.5	170	175	5	142.5 
Azure Silk Cloak               30	180	195	15	450 
Crimson Silk Vest	       39	195	205	10	390 
Crimson Silk Pantaloons	       47	205	215	10	470 
White Bandit Mask	       45.25	215	220	5	226.25 
 

Figure 1 - Item for each level range

Now for a little background info...

Here's the stuff you need and its cost:
 
Items needed	     Cost (in silver)	 
Linen cloth	     1	 
Coarse thread	     0.1	 
Bleach		     0.25	 
Light leather	     1.2	 
Blue Dye	     0.5	 
Red Dye		     0.5	 
Green dye	     1	 
Wool cloth	     1.82	 
Fine Thread	     1	 
Gray Dye	     3.5	 
Sm Lustr Pearl	     4.58	 
silk cloth	     2.25	 
Medium leather	     1.2	 
spider's silk	     45.8	 
Iridescnt pearl	     55.25	 
Elixr of wisdom	     4	 
Heavy Leather	     2.25	 
Shdw Prt Potion	     60	 
Healing Potion	     6.12	 
Silken Thread	     5	 
Mageweave cloth	     5	 
Thk spider silk	     11.25	 
Shadow oil	     102.25	 
Elemental earth	     30	 
Iron buckle	     7.5	 
Elemental water	     12.5	 
Purple dye	     25	 
Fire oil	     30	 
yellow dye	     5	 
mana potion	     5.13	 
naga scale	     2.25	 
elemental fire	     98	 
elemental air	     20	 
black dye	     10	 
frost oil	     102.25	 
citrine		     45.33	 
orange dye	     10	 
Heavy silk thrd	     20	 
shadow silk	     15	 
Globe of water	     50	 

Figure 2 - Bought ingredients and cost

Below is the list of stuff you can make, their costs, and levels prior to going green. The level color data was compiled from info at http://wow.allakhazam.com
 
Item name	          Get At	Green	Grey	Cost	 
Bolt of Linen Cloth	  1	25	50	2	 
Linen Cloak		  1	35	60	2.1	 
Simple Linen Pants	  1	35	60	2.1	 
Brown Linen Shirt	  1	35	60	2.1	 
White Linen Shirt	  10	35	60	2.35	 
Brown Linen Vest	  10	45	70	2.1	 
Linen Belt		  15	50	85	2.1	 
Simple Linen Boots	  10	50	85	3.3	 
Brown Linen Pants	  30	55	90	4.1	 
Brown Linen Robe	  30	55	90	6.1	 
White Linen Robe	  30	55	90	6.35	 
Heavy Linen Gloves	  35	60	95	4.1	 
Blue Linen Shirt	  40	65	100	4.6	 
Red Linen Shirt		  40	65	100	4.6	 
Simple Dress		  40	65	100	4.85	 
Red Linen Robe		  40	65	100	7.2	 
Linen Bag		  45	70	105	6.3	 
Red Linen Vest		  55	80	115	6.6	 
Blue Linen Vest		  55	80	115	6.6	 
Reinforced Linen Cape	  60	85	120	4.3	 
Green Linen Bracers	  60	85	120	7.2	 
Bolt of Woolen Cloth	  75	90	105	5.46	 
Linen Boots		  65	90	125	7.3	 
Green Linen Shirt	  91	95	130	8	 
Blue Linen Robe		  70	95	130	9.2	 
Red Linen Bag		  70	95	130	9.5	 
Handstit Linen Britches	  91	95	130	10	 
Barbaric Linen Vest	  91	95	130	10.2	 
Woolen Cape		  75	100	135	6.46	 
Simple Kilt		  75	100	135	9	 
Woolen Bag		  80	105	140	7	 
Soft-soled Linen Boots	  80	105	140	13.4	 
Heavy Woolen Gloves	  85	110	145	7	 
Gray Woolen Shirt	  100	110	130	9.5	 
Green Woolen Vest	  85	110	145	13.92	 
Green Woolen Robe		115	150	19.38	 
Pearl-clasped Cloak	  90	115	150	22.96	 
Green Woolen Bag	  95	120	155	23.84	 
Red Woolen Boots	  95	120	155	26.24	 
Woolen Boots		  95	120	155	26.24	 
Blue Overalls		  100	125	160	24.84	 
Heavy Woolen Cloak	  100	125	160	27.54	 
Gray Woolen Robe	  105	130	165	28.34	 
Bolt of Silk Cloth	  125	135	145	9	 
White Woolen Dress	  110	135	170	18.38	 
Dbl-stch Woolen Shouldr	  110	135	170	18.38	 
Stylish Red Shirt	  110	135	170	18.38	 
Heavy Woolen Pants	  110	135	170	31.3	 
Red Woolen Bag		  115	140	175	23.34	 
Greater Adept's Robe	  115	140	175	31.8	 
Bright Yellow Shirt	  135	145	155	15	 
Stylish Blue Shirt	  120	145	180	27.34	 
Stylish Green Shirt	  120	145	180	28.34	 
Colorful Kilt		  120	145	180	29.8	 
Reinforced Wool Shlders	  120	145	180	37.16	 
Gloves of Meditation	  130	150	180	28.84	 
Phoenix Gloves		  125	150	185	81.59	 
Phoenix Pants		  125	150	185	91.01	 
Spidersilk Boots	  125	150	185	316.5	 
Azure Silk Hood		  145	155	165	20	 
Lesser Wizard's Robe	  135	155	185	111.6	 
Azure Silk Pants	  140	160	190	40	 
Spider Silk Slippers	  140	160	190	74.8	 
Boots of Darkness	  	160	190	91.4	 
Dark Silk Shirt		  155	165	175	26	 
Azure Silk Gloves	  145	165	195	34.5	 
Hands of Darkness	  145	165	195	153.5	 
Silk Headband		  160	170	180	29	 
White Swshbuckler Shirt	  160	170	180	32.5	 
Small Silk Pack		  150	170	200	34.5	 
Azure Silk Vest		  150	170	200	47	 
Truefaith Gloves	  150	170	200	56.98	 
Robes of Arcana		  150	170	200	129.6	 
Bolt of Mageweave	  175	180	185	25	 
Formal White Shirt	  170	180	190	28.5	 
Red Swshbuckler's Shirt	  175	185	195	33	 
Enchanter's Cowl	  165	185	215	51.5	 
Green Silk Armor	  165	185	215	52	 
Earthen Vest		  170	190	220	59	 
Shadow Hood		  170	190	220	143.25	 
Azure Silk Cloak	  175	195	225	30	 
Green Silk Pack		  175	195	225	46.75	 
Crimson Silk Belt	  175	195	225	49.5	 
Boots of the Enchanter	  175	195	225	52.25	 
Azure Silk Belt		  175	195	225	59	 
Rich Purple Silk Shirt	  185	195	205	66	 
Green Holiday Shirt	  190	200	210	54	 
Green Silken Shoulders	  180	200	230	55	 
Spider Belt		  180	200	230	66	 
Crimson Silk Cloak	  180	200	230	111	 
Crimson Silk Vest	  185	205	225	39	 
Long Silken Cloak	  185	205	235	46.13	 
Black Silk Pack		  185	205	235	59	 
Black Swshbuckler Shirt	  200	210	220	60	 
Azure Shoulders		  190	210	240	69.5	 
Crimson Silk Shoulders	  190	210	240	116	 
Robe of Power		  190	210	240	381	 
Crimson Silk Pantaloons	  195	215	235	47	 
Earthen Silk Belt	  195	215	245	191.5	 
White Bandit Mask	  215	220	230	45.25	 

Figure 3 - Made ingredients and cost

By finding the cheapest recipe for each level range we get the chart shown in figure 1. Now there may be some ways to improve the overall efficiency, say perhaps if it's cheaper to make a particular item after its green a couple of times than to make the next yellow item. If anyone figures out any such situation, please let me know.


Edited, Fri Jun 10 18:04:56 2005 by PrayForMojo

Edited, Fri Jun 10 18:09:18 2005 by PrayForMojo

Edited, Wed Jul 27 16:37:50 2005 by PrayForMojo

Edited, Mon Aug 1 11:26:24 2005 by PrayForMojo
#2 Jun 10 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
This is great. I just started Tailoring and am trying to get it up as fast as I can. This will help a lot.
#3 Jun 11 2005 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
Damn, this should be in the Tutorial. rate up!
#4 Jun 13 2005 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
Thanks guys, glad to help =)
#5 Jun 14 2005 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
This is PERFECT. You should be on Allakahazam's staff. Read the other post for Engineering as well.


Thanks for the good work.
#6 Jun 15 2005 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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PrayForMojo's/JahBreeze's Guide to Levelling a Tailor to 220 Cheaply

My reason for making a guide on tradeskill efficiency is that I've found in some professions that require a variety of ingredients to build a particular item can make finding the cheapest path difficult to figure out. Being that my first experiment with trade skills was as a blacksmith where recipes are pretty straightforward -- i.e., get a bunch of metal "X" and make a bunch of metal "X" items, etc -- the whole idea of getting a few of a bunch of different items at once seemed kind of daunting at first. Upon further inspection, however, it can be cheaper in some professions to get started because if you allocate your resources efficiently you can get levels making items consisting of cheaper ingredients allowing you to bypass some of the more expensive recipes.

The following info attempts to find the most cost effective way to level them up by picking the cheapest skill route (in money terms). Since this is a first draft, I've done my analysis using just by figuring out the cheapest recipe for a given skill range and Using the list of ingredients for each item, I’ve approximated the cost of levelling each item based on the median cost of ingredients from http://wow.allakhazam.com .

Prices may vary on your server but hopefully this will give you direction if you just want to level up your skill quickly with as little upfront cost as possible.

Below is the chart of my findings. The "Cost" field is the cost of creating the item, the "From" field is the level at which to start creating that item, "To" is when to stop, "#" is the number of times you make that item, and Total Cost is the total money (silver) spent on creating that item.



I hope this makes it so where more people can read...
(This translation does not complete the whole message.)

French translation-
(Francais)

PrayForMojo » le s/JahBreeze » le Guide de s au Niveau d'un Tailleur à 220 à bon marché

Ma raison pour faire un guide sur l'efficacité de tradeskill est que j'ai trouvé dans quelques professions qui exigent une assortiment d'ingrédients construire un article particulier peut faire trouver le chemin le plus bon marché difficile à chiffrer. Etre que ma première expérience avec les compétences de commerce était comme un forgeron où les recettes sont assez franc -- c.-à-d., obtenir un paquet de métal « X » et fait un paquet de métal « X » les articles, etc -- l'idée entière d'obtenant peu d'entre un paquet d'articles différents genre tout de suite semblé de décourager au début. Sur la plus ample inspection, cependant, ce peut être plus bon marché dans quelques professions pour commencer parce que si vous allouez vos ressources efficacement vous pouvez obtenir des niveaux faisant des articles consistant en des ingrédients plus bon marché vous permettant de sauter certaines des recettes plus chères.

L'information suivante tente de trouver la façon la plus du rapport coût-efficacité pour les niveler en haut en choisant la route de compétence la plus bon marché (dans les termes d'argent). Puisque ceci est un premier brouillon, j'ai fait mon analyse utilisant juste par chiffre la recette la plus bon marché pour une gamme de compétence donnés et l'Utilisation de la liste d'ingrédients pour chaque article, j'ai rapproché le coût de niveau de chaque article basé sur le coût médian d'ingrédients de http : //wow.allakhazam.com.

Les prix peuvent varier sur votre serveur mais avec espoir ceci vous donnera la direction si vous voulez niveler juste en haut votre compétence rapidement avec comme le petit coût franc comme possible.

Au dessous d'est le graphique de mes conclusions. Le champ de « Coût » est le coût de créer l'article, le « » du champ est le niveau à qui commencer créer cet article, « A » est quand arrêter, « # » est le nombre de temps vous faites cet article, et le Coût Total est l'argent total (l'argent) dépensé sur créer cet article.

#7 Jun 15 2005 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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the charts like this "fastest way" are nice. i made about 40-50 linen bags to level up my skill. i didn't know which way is better but i thought, people buy linen bags, it surely should be a good item to make and sell off. but unfortunately, so did many other new tailors. too many bags on the market! not to mention, it's the first one..6-slot only. save a few more silver and you can get an 8 or 10-slot easily.

another option is, if you have an enchanter, make items that can be disenchanted with the least amt of resources. you can make tons of these bc you always can use more resources. it's fun to make items to level up tailoring, then send them to the enchanter (maybe same char) to DE to get raw echanting materials.

thanks for the chart!
#8 Jun 21 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
You make a good point, the flaw to this guide is that it doesn't say what items people will buy. Such information could be really helpful in determining the path that will net you the most money. What the guide does is remove one variable (initial cost) from the equation. If someone would like to expound upon it from their own experience of what are the most popular items to sell, that would probably help as well.

Also, see the "Leveling Enchanters for Le$$" guide as this provides a good strategy for tailor/enchanters to level efficiently.
#9 Jul 01 2005 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
After this you can do some mageweave bags, also pretty cheap
#10 Jul 07 2005 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
Wonderful and very useful !!

I think there is a gap in the chart for skill 111-124??

Heavy Woolen Gloves 7 105 110 5 35
???
Bolt of Silk Cloth 9 125 135 10 90
#11 Aug 01 2005 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
not a gap just out of order... =)

if u notice the next couple of lines fill in that gap. ill edit in a sec.
#12 Aug 01 2005 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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There are a few lists such as this one for levelling tailoring from 1-300 for the least gross cost.

What would be more interesting to know would be how to level tailoring for the least net cost (after selling whatever you've made).

It shouldn't be too difficult to compile. Generally you want to stick to either items that are really cheap to make for their level (double stitched woolen shoulders) that vendor well (Big Bronze Bomb) that sell well (Linen Bag) or that are used for something else (sharpening stones, green items for disenchanting).

For tailoring I would advise skilling up on as many green items as you can and then disenchanting them. If you can't disenchant them yourself then get a friend to do it for you and sell the materials on the AH. Low level enchanting stuff sells remarkably well on the AH (mostly because Strange Dust is a component in Minor Beastslaying) and even better, enchanting reagents don't have a deposit price so you can relist it again and again until it sells.

Don't forget to skillup whenever you can by making items for yourself to wear, for friends or guildmates to wear.

I don't have a complete list, but it would look something like this:

Make Bolt of Linen Cloth until you get no more skillups from it.
Make any of the low-level patterns that are an upgrade for you.
Make Linen Bags (if they sell well at the AH) *OR* Brown Linen Robes and disenchant them. Make nothing but these until you can't skillup from them any more.
Double Stitched Woolen Shoulders are the cheapest way to get through wool by far.
Azure Silk Hood sells okay (it's the lowest level cloth head) so it might be worth crafting a few of those.
Make a pair of Spidersilk Boots and a Robes of Power for yourself (you know you want them both. You might as well make them now while you can skillup from them)
The Crimson Silk items are very cheap to make, but skillup as little as you can on them and get onto Black Mageweave as soon as you can.
The Black Mageweave stuff is really cheap to make and disenchants well. If you're lucky you can make a small profit.

The pattern is that generally whenever you can make the cheapest green item you can make. If the cheapest green item is too expensive (as it is for most of the Silk items due to needing extra rare components) just make the cheapest item and vendor it.

If you can bear the wait, make nothing but Mooncloth while it is still orange. I'm sure you can't bear the wait though :P I know I couldn't.

TF

Edited, Mon Aug 1 19:04:48 2005 by TyrionFarseer
#13 Mar 18 2007 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
I found this guild to be cheaper, and faster, maximizing on Orange skills rather than on some useless items that are worth skipping. I dont take credit for it, but i have used it on 4 toons to get them to 375 with ease. It is rather cheap to get to 300, if your 70 you will save more money by farming your runecloth at Tyr's Hand.




1 - 50
Bolt of Linen Cloth (2 x Linen Cloth) x 80

50 - 70
Linen Bag (3 x Bolt of Linen Cloth, 3 x Coarse Thread) x 20

70 - 75
Reinforced Linen Cape (2 x Bolt of Linen Cloth, 3 x Coarse Thread) x 5

75 - 105
Bolt of Woolen Cloth (3 x Wool Cloth) x 60

105 - 110
Gray Woolen Shirt (2 x Bolt of Woolen Cloth, 1 x Fine Thread, 1 x Gray Dye) x 5

110 - 125
Double-stitched Woolen Shoulders (3 x Bolt of Woolen Cloth, 2 x Fine Thread) x 15

125 - 145
Bolt of Silk Cloth (4 x Silk Cloth) x 190

145 - 160
Azure Silk Hood (2 x Bolt of Silk Cloth, 2 x Blue Dye, 1 x Fine Thread) x 15

160 - 170
Silk Headband (3 x Bolt of Silk Cloth, 2 x Fine Thread) x 10

170 - 175
Formal White Shirt (3 x Bolt of Silk Cloth, 2 x Bleach, 1 x Fine Thread) x 5

175 - 185
Bolt of Mageweave (5x Mageweave Cloth) x 100

185 - 200
Crimson Silk Vest (4 x Bolt of Silk Cloth, 2 x Red Dye, 2 x Fine Thread) x 30

200 - 215
Crimson Silk Pantaloons (4 x Bolt of Silk Cloth, 2 x Red Dye, 2 x Silken Thread) x 15

215 - 220
Black Mageweave Leggings or Black Mageweave Vest (2 x Bolt of Mageweave, 3 x Silken Thread) x 5

220 - 230
Black Mageweave Gloves (2 x Bolt of Mageweave, 2 x Heavy Silken Thread) x 10

230 - 250
Black Mageweave Headband or Black Mageweave Shoulders (3 x Bolt of Mageweave, 2 x Heavy Silken Thread) x 20

250 - 260
Bolt of Runecloth (5 x Runecloth) x 180

260 - 275
Runecloth Belt (3 x Bolt of Runecloth, 1 x Rune Thread) x 15

275 - 280
Runecloth Bag (5 x Bolt of Runecloth, 2 x Rugged Leather, 1 x Rune Thread) x 5

280 - 300
Runecloth Gloves (4 x Bolt of Runecloth, 4 x Rugged Leather, 1 x Rune Thread) x 20

300 - 325
Bolts of Netherweave (6 x Netherweave Cloth each)
(Seriously, your going to need about 430 bolts, so you may aswell get the skill up's for it)

325 - 340
Bolts of Imbued Netherweave (3 x Bolts of Netherweave, 2 x Arcane Dust each)
(You'll need at least 60 bolts for later, so that should see you through to 340)

340 - 350
Netherweave Boots (6 x Bolts of Netherweave, 2 x Knothide Leather, 1 x Rune Thread each) x 10

350 - 360
Netherweave Tunic (8 x Bolts of Netherweave, 2 x Rune Thread each) x 10

360 - 370
Imbued Netherweave Tunic¹ (6 x Imbued Netherweave Bolts, 2 x Netherweb Spider Silk, 1 x Rune Thread each) x 10

¹Pattern is sold by Arrond in Shadowmoon Valley. You need to have Scryers rep to be able to talk to him or be neutral with both Scryers and Aldors, but they are not BoP, so if your aligned with the Aldors, get someone else to buy them for you. They are also a limited supply recipe, which isn't ideal, but they are by far the best way to level Tailoring from 360 to 370, so it's worth camping for them.

It's worth noting that Imbued Netherweave Tunic could take you all the way to 375, but could mean making 20-30 of them or even more to get the last 5 points. Or you could get really lucky like Selenia on EU-Magtheridon and get the 5 points from the first 5 they made past 370. However I would recommend that whilst trying to farm mats for the last 5 points that you do the following:

370 - 375
Arcanoweave Boots (8 x Bolts of Netherweave, 16 x Arcane dust, 2 x Rune Thread each) x 5
N.B. The pattern for Arcanoweave Boots, drops from Sunseeker Astromage in The Mechanar. It's BoP and the drop rate is ~1%, but it's still worth spending the time trying to get it, because if you don't get it, you'll have to make items that require mats from this dungeon anyway, to get those last five points. Thanks to Shoguni on EU-Doomhammer for finding this out :o)

N.B. If your an enchanter, disenchant all the Netherweave Robes and Tunics for Arcane Dust. If your not, get a friend or guildmate who is to do it for you. This will save you some money on Arcane Dust. Thanks to Chiyochan on EU-Bladefist for pointing this out :o)


Approximate Materials Required For 300-375

2160 x Netherweave Cloth
200 x Arcance Dust
25 x Netherweb Spider silk
40 x Rune Thread
20 x Knothide Leather
#14 Mar 19 2007 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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370 - 375
Arcanoweave Boots (8 x Bolts of Netherweave, 16 x Arcane dust, 2 x Rune Thread each) x 5
N.B. The pattern for Arcanoweave Boots, drops from Sunseeker Astromage in The Mechanar. It's BoP and the drop rate is ~1%, but it's still worth spending the time trying to get it, because if you don't get it, you'll have to make items that require mats from this dungeon anyway, to get those last five points. Thanks to Shoguni on EU-Doomhammer for finding this out :o)


Its very difficult to get that pattern, you need to have a good group, good gear, and whatever pre-reqs it takes to get into the the instance before you can even think about getting the recipe. I would have loved this to level up with, but for most people I don't think its feasible.

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N.B. If your an enchanter, disenchant all the Netherweave Robes and Tunics for Arcane Dust. If your not, get a friend or guildmate who is to do it for you. This will save you some money on Arcane Dust. Thanks to Chiyochan on EU-Bladefist for pointing this out :o)


Good advice, but check your server to see if the price of the robe/vest goes for more than the 2-3 dust that you'll get from this. On my server the items were going for about 10g each, about 7g more than 3 dust. It may be in your best interest if there aren't a lot of robes/vests out there on the AH to just sell them and use the gold you get to buy arcane dust. Of course if you are an enchanter you probably already have a million dust anyway, so it isn't really an issue.

For the imbued netherweave stuff I do recommend DE every time. You can sell 1 or maybe 2 on rare occassions, but they do DE into large prismatic shards which sell for roughtly 15g on my server; even if you don't want to sell them you can keep them for high level enchants such as major spell power.
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