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#27 Jan 21 2005 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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For all those that completed the Wild Leather Quests, where did you get the patttern for the Turtle Scale Gloves?
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#28 Jan 21 2005 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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PentUpAnger,

Answer:

I'm not sure what the effect of starting over leatherworking would do for you. If you decide to go that route, please post here again and tell us the result. I'll add your comments to the top of this list and hopefully we'll keep other rogues from making the same mistake.


brindille,

Question: Where did you get the patttern for the Turtle Scale Gloves?

Answer:
I purchased mine (as did a guild mate) at the Auction house. (aka AH)
Should you find the pattern anywhere else, please post that information for others, thanks!
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#29 Jan 25 2005 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I got my pattern for Turtle scale gloves off a scorpid in Tanaris. From what I have read, you can also find one in a chest near the higher level trolls in STV. Look for it while you're farming wildvine. :)

Please note: you are not required to complete the wildvine quests to move on to dragonscale, tribal or elemental leatherworking.

Edited, Tue Jan 25 10:20:49 2005 by Sorsh
#30 Jan 25 2005 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If this helps anyone, here are some links to the different armor types to aid you in deciding which leatherworking path to take. As noted several times in this thread, you may only choose [b][/b]one[u][/u] of the following three paths for high-end leatherworking (at level 40+). From reading this thread, the general opinion appears to be that Dragonscale is the easiest of the three types, while elemental is the hardest (due to mob level and drop rates)--I have not personally reached these levels of the craft yet, but here are the items:

p.s. Please feel free to correct any of this information if it is incorrect. The intent here is to aid our fellow leatherworkers 8)

--Tribal--
Quest:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=5148
Items:
Frostsaber Leather
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15422
Frostsaber Boots
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15071
Frostsaber Gloves
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15070
Frostsaber Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15069
Frostsaber Tunic
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15068

Warbear Leather
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15419
Warbear Harness
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15064
Warbear Woolies
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15065

Devilsaur Leather
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15417
Devilsaur Gauntlets
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15063
Devilsaur Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15062

Chimeric Boots
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15073
Chimeric Gloves
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15074
Chimeric Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15072
Chimeric Vest
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15075

Ironfeather
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15420
Ironfeather Shoulders
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15067
Ironfeather Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15066

Wolfshead Helm *tribal I think*?
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=8345



--Dragonscale--
*enables a leatherworker to create some mail armors*
Quest:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=5145
Items:
Dragonscale Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=8367
Dragonscale Gauntlets
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=8347

Black Dragonscale Boots
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=16984
Black Dragonscale Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15050
Black Dragonscale Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15052
Black Dragonscale Shoulders
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15051

Blue Dragonscale Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15048
Blue Dragonscale Shoulders
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15049

Red Dragonscale Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15047

Green Dragonscale Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15045
Green Dragonscale Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15046

--Elemental--
Quest:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=5146
Items:
Volcanic Breastplate
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15053
Volcanic Leggings
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15054
Volcanic Shoulders
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=15055

*there are many more in Elemental but I am still researching them at this time*
#31 Jan 28 2005 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello, sorry to ask a stupid question, but how is the elemental better for a rogue? From what i could see in the links it is only AC and Fire Resistance, which is great but not compared to a couple peices of Tribal armor. I would much rather have the attack power and sta. than the fire resist and ac. So please let me know if there is something I am missing here.. I know nothing about this honestly except what I read in these posts. I am a rogue working on my LW skill and would like to know in advance which to pick. As of right now Tribal looks best but I would like any comments or suggestions or anything that anyone can give me? Thanks a ton!
#32 Jan 29 2005 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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This is an awesome thread. Thotbot is so **** confusing that it made me think i had to make wild leather dragonscale of fire to get to feathermoon to learn master leatherworking of the monkey....or some **** like that.

I am quickly moving to leatherworking 225 (currently 218) & i am level 38. I went ahead and bought all the tough scorpid patterns for my hunter to wear when he hits the respective levels. After that, leather working will no tbenefit my hunter, which i could really care less. Instance armor drops will fill the holes nicely. But i do want to get into making the Tribal stuff for my 2nd character who is a Druid.

Thats about the only reason i'm staying with LWing because Tribal Armor + Druid = awesome. There are also some voodoo patterns that i've seen out there that require tribal leatherworking and i've seen a few gnomes running around wearing voodoo masks.

I think the craft is very cool and yeah, it doesn't create good Hunter or Rogue Gear, but really, who cares? Instances will neat you better armor no matter how you look at it. My only question(s) is/are:

At level 225, do i go see the Master Leatherworker to go from 225-300?

And where do i start the alliance side wild leather quests? And at what level will i be able to do them safely (vs enviroment)?
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#33 Jan 30 2005 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
Vegetacron:

Questions: At level 225, do i go see the Master Leatherworker to go from 225-300?

And where do i start the alliance side wild leather quests? And at what level will i be able to do them safely (vs enviroment)?


Yes, you see the Master Leatherworker in Aerie Peak to increase your max from 225 to 300. He only teaches you stuff up to 250, though.

Assuming you're asking about the quests to get Wild Leather patterns, you start that in Feathermoon in Feralas. You can safely do the quest whenever you can safely get the required materials to make the stuff that the quest giver wants (lots of thick leather, turtle scales, and wildvines - get the wildvines from herbalists or the AH). Basically, you can do these at around level 38 or so, killing 39-41 mobs. That's when I started working on them.

You can kill any 38+ (I think) skinnable beasts for thick leather. I know there are turtles from which you can get turtle scales in the harbor near Theramore Isle. Watch out for aggroing crayfish humanoid guys and threshers, though. I'm getting my wildvines from the AH for like 1 - 1.5g each.

I hope you find this helpful.
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#34 Jan 30 2005 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah that helps, thanks. ^^

My plan as of now is to start farming the turtles near theramore until i get 200 scales. I figure that this should give me the thick leather i need as well since the scales are an uncommon product from skinning.

As far as the Wildvines, i do know that the skullcrusher or skull something or another trolls drop them in STV and they are lvl 40-41. 1-1.5g is a little too steep for me and i'd rather get the exp for killin the trolls to help me up to 40.

Either way it goes, can't beat grinding while farming for stuff ya need to make cool armor. ^^
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#35 Feb 15 2005 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Awsome thanks for the info
#36 Feb 17 2005 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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they need to pin this thread to the to of the Trade Skill forums, or sort out the trade skill forums and make seperate ones for each profession with this at the top of leatherworking. It has a lot of info thanks and keep it up. (I will add to mine also when I get a bit higher and explore some more. I am currently maxed at 225 - but once I hit 35 it will be on!!)
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#37 Feb 27 2005 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok I have a few questions.

First, can you do the Wild leather quests from Pratt McGrubben and learn those recipes without commiting yourself to Wild leatherworking? Because I think those recipes are really neat and would like to learn them for my rogue and make for other jobs as well, but I'm not sure which leatherworking I want to do. Which brings me to my next question...

As I said I'm a rogue, and I know it's been asked a million times but I've never seen a good answer. Everyone says elemental is the way to go for rogue, but I haven't seen an explanation. Besides the Stormshroud set (which is not listed in this post by the way but was mentioned in another as part of the elemental set, I can't vouch whether it is or not) which gives a little boost to critical% and dodge%, which I honestly don't see as useful because I would prefer straight agility/strength, elemental doesn't seem like a good choice. It's really hard to find the materials apparently, and I haven't seen anyone say what kind of "uber" gear I could make with it if I tried. So I was wondering if first, someone could please list the various armor types that can be made with elemental so I could at least have an idea, and second tell me, in words other than "It'll be so uber and make you lots of moneys!" why I should do elemental. Everyone says that elemental recipes have lots of agility, but as I said, I've seen no links or references to the armor being talked about, so I can't be certain. As it stands now I don't see much cause to do elemental. I'm getting really close to needing to decide what to do and I can't.

Thanks for the post, it's a good start. And I agree this one should be stickied so everyone can find it and add to it =)
#38 Feb 28 2005 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
I can't answer your question about the elemental leatherworking, but as for the Wild Leather quests, any leatherworker can do those. They, themselves, don't commit you to Tribal Leatherworking; they're only a prerequisite to unlock the Tribal Leatherworking quest.
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#39 Feb 28 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I have no quick answers for you elvensnow.



Try this link at Thottbot. It may take a while to sort through all the various items, but you could tell for certain by doing so.

And if you did so perhaps you could post a listing of those items on this thread to help others with your same question.

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#40 Mar 01 2005 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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ere is what I did... I got done with my Wild Leather quests and was thinking that Tribal Leather would be great for me, so I went and started and finished the Tribal Leatherworking quest... to my surprise (not really) the two patterns the lady gave me wont help me in any way.... me being a Rogue... I should have went for Elemental Leatherworking...


Nah - actually none of the specialty paths are all that wonderful for rogue ( coming from a level 60 rogue that has all of the tribal patterns other than the epic Corehound Boots pattern ). Blizzard may later introduce other patterns for the other paths, but beyond making armor patches for yourself you won't be crafting leather to wear - you'll be questing, farming, or AHing them if you want the good equipment. I went with tribal because it has a good number of patterns that are helpful to my druid friends ( and the Devilsaur set, a tribal set, is probably the best rogue oriented of the crafted patterns for any of the three specialty paths - volcanic leggings leave me cold ;)

There was a rumor of sorts going around that Elemental would be better for rogues and such, while Tribal would be better for the mage types. This isn't quite right ( Blizzard has said as much ) and was only based on early observations of available patterns. So far tribal has the best patterns, in my opinion ( and certainly the most ).

Hopefully later on down the line they won't release some uber-patterns that will make me regret my decision, but at level 60 I think my goal is probably the nightshade set .. that'll be a long and tedious journey ;)
#41 Mar 10 2005 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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First of all, Voodoo set is not part of the three classes. You can farm for recipe and it is available to all LW. (High Int and Spirit)

Second, Elemental creates pretty nice stuff for rogues. I have a lvl 55 rogue in our guild and he loves the Stormshroud set due to all the chance to Critical Strike.

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18575
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=25540
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=25586

In addition to that he wanted the Helm of Fire (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5299) which was a great match for him.

So out of the three classes, elemental matches rogue the most. The only draw back to this class is that it is very difficult to acquire the material to make it. The stormshroud set requires Essence of Air (EOA) which is only transmuted from Essence of Water and can only be done by a high lvl Alchemist. Average cost for EOA on my server is $20-$25g.
#42 Mar 10 2005 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Tribal leatherworking is the best choice for a rogue no matter what anyone says, Elemental is not for a rogue 90% of the elemental patterns are all resistances which is useless to a rogue.

Those few patterns for the dodge and critical is not worth it. On top of that Elemental leatherworking takes an extremly long time to collect meterials so again it is not worth it.

If you need proof as to why Tribal is the best for a rogue. Look at the Devilsaur and Warbear set patterns Combine those and you have yourself some good stuff for 50-55.

I have talked to so many rogues that have gotten elemental and they say they hate it, and whished they went Tribal. So to clear up and questions that people might have about Tribal and Elemental for Rogues. Go with Tribal it is the most suited for a rogue. Tribal= Sta/Str/+atk pwr Elemental= Resistances and/or crappy dodge/crit percent.

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#43 Mar 13 2005 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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For a rogue,

the good pieces of elemental leather you can make are the stormshroud armor set pieces. If you compare with the corresponding pieces of wicked leather armor, you get:

+2.5% chance to crit
-1.86% chance to dodge
-45 attack power
chance to get +15-25 lightning damage
-9 stamina

With tribal leatherworking, you can make the devilsaur armor set. Again, if you compare with wicked leather :

+0.27% chance to crit
-3.456% chance to dodge
+42 attack power
+2% chance to hit
-2 stamina

It's a very rough way to compare. The way I read this: if you are a combat rogue that uses swords and/or mace, you are better off with the devilsaur set (tribal). If you are a dagger rogue that counts on ambush and backstab crits, then the stormshroud set is better (elemental).

You should also keep in mind that making the elemental stuff is much harder than the tribal stuff for now. As I understand it, the next patch will make it a bit easier for elemental leatherworking. Of course, i'm only considering these two sets of armor. Other pieces can be made that could help a rogue like the helm of fire or the corehound boots. I just felt that these two sets are the major reason to choose between the two.

IMHO

Edited, Sun Mar 13 12:33:33 2005 by Ingole
#44 Mar 14 2005 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a 44 rogue now with 250 leatherworking. I've definitely chosen to do tribal, since I think it's best for rogue and expecially since my second character is a druid and I want to make armor for her as well. I did all the Wild leather quests from Pratt, and I went to talk to the Tribal leatherworking lady in Feralas, but she wouldn't give me the quest. Is there something I'm missing? Should I make the required wild leather pieces before talking to her? There is one quest from Pratt where he wants you to get some yeti furs, but since the reward was not a wild leather pattern, I put this off. Is this the reason; do I have to complete this quest before she will let me learn it? Heh, I'd like to get started on it soon so any info would be great.

And I agree with Ingol, the difference between Tribal or Elemental being good for your rogue is probably just personal preference and the weapons you use. I use swords, so I see the Devilsaur set as being more beneficial. I don't like the Stormshroud set, and the Helm of Fire is ridiculous. It doesn't add enough agility to be worth more than what I've got now, and the fire blast thing is just... lame. I'll probably be using my White Bandit Mask until I get the Nightslayer armor (lol). I just think Tribal has way more to offer rogues, and the fact that it's a lot easier is just icing on the cake.

Well I hope this thread continues, it's got good info. Good luck to all the leather workers out there.
#45 Mar 14 2005 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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The Tauren in Feralas only gives you all the wild leather quests. When you are done with them, head to Stranglehorn Vale. South-east of Grom gol, you'll find the Master Tribal Leatherworker who will give you the tribal quest (if you are at least lvl 40).
#46 Apr 13 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I knew right away that i was going Tribal leatherworking (on the horde side) so i can at least help with getting THAT.

From what i've seen, Tribal has a lot of int and spi boosts (Ironfeather set), and well as Str and Stamina (with the Warbear set), Stamina and attack power (with the devilsaur set), and the Chimeric and Frostsaber giving you all the resistances.
From what i've heard and seen from Dragonscale and Elemental, they dont have this much variation, with the resistances and int, spi, stm, and str boosts.
Unfortunately theres no agility in there for you rogues...

To get tribal leatherworking, its a pain. You have to go and talk to the guy in Feralas at Camp Mojache (don't remember his name, he's in the big tent across from the Inn). He gives you all the wild leather quests, which you have to complete (theres 5 of them in total) in order to be able to get a straight answer out of the Tribal leatherworking (who is directly south of Grom Gol, across the river from the big fat blue bad guys). You need TONS of turtle scale...i cannot stress this enough. I am so sick of killing turtles. and you need Wildvine.

Once you've done all 5 Wildleather quests, you talk to the Tribal Leatherworker who gives you a quest to make a Wildleather Vest and a Wildleather Helm. just one of each, that takes 22thick leather and 4 wildvine...and some thread, i think.... and 2 cured thick hides...

anyway, once you've given him these two items, you get to be a Tribal Leatherworker, he trains you in Ironfeather Breastplate and Wolfshead Helm, and the rest of the patterns you gotta pray for drops or buy off the AH.

hope that was in any way useful.
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#47 Apr 15 2005 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
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But what about Dragonscale? Is it really any good for any single class? No warrior or paladin in their right mind is going to wear mail, when they could wear plate instead. From my reading of these posts, leatherworking is a waste of time. There is nothing that any class longs for, as you can get better stuff from drops.
#48 Apr 15 2005 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Dragonscale is great if your either hunting dragons or looking for some magic resistance.

Either way, there are a couple of classes that can use mail. You are correct to assume that a Paladin or a Warrior would be out of their mind for using mail. Dragonscale in not ment for that class. Its ment for Shamans or Hunters. (Not sure what other classes may use mail). Shamans melee often and need the highest armor availible. To that end they choose mail.

Hunters' that either like the look, or need the armor also choose mail.
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#49 Apr 16 2005 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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As a hunter, my concern is not so much for my own equipment. I can do better farming AH than the leatherworking skill offers. Instead, it would be what sells the best?

From reading this thread, it seems that Tribal would have the most demand. Can someone comment to confirm or deny this theory?

Am level 48 with 247 Leatherworking skill and have completed the Wild Leather series. About to go to Arie Peak to finish it off and make the BIG decision so your prompt reply is greatly appreciated.
#50 Apr 16 2005 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, when Dire Maul was added last patch, or two patches ago, three new leatherworking recipes went in that were of special note:

Chromatic Cloak (Dragonscale)
Hide of the Wild (Tribal)
Shifting Cloak (Elemental)

HotW is arguably the best healer cloak in the game. Chromatic is arguably the best mage/warlock cloak in the game. Shifting cloak is debatable, but very good for rogues, and grants +dodge/agility so is good for tanks also, however I think Cloak of warding with it's 200+ ac and +7 defense is better.

There were also other non-specific patterns added that any leatherworker can learn, but are outside the scope of this thread.
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#51 Apr 22 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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SparrowHawk,

The simplest answer if dependant on your server population of leathercrafters.

For example: If you server has little or no Dragonscale crafters, then the demand for Dragonscale might be very high. I was one of the first people on Silverhand to Produce and sell Dragonscale, because to this I was selling my armor for 50g. The quantity soared as more crafters starting producing armor, with demand met, the price drop drastically. At the lowest point some crafters started selling the armor below the manufacturing cost.

In short I'd watch the auction house for a few days and try to feel out the lowest used Leathercraft, then pursue that for monetary gains.

As a side note, if income is your greatest concern you may want to try a double gathering profession. Although no true crafting is involved in this type of venture the supply of goods to crafters is the quickest way to earn gold.
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Cooking 300.
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