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shhh dont give away insider secrets!!! lol

don't listen to dadub, there are no such thing as vendors.. you MUST buy everything at AH.

damn you dub >< haha.

I digress.

yeah, undercutting will lower prices.. but from the trends i've noticed over the years... they don't stay that way. I've swarmed AH with certain crystals 1.5k less than their current market value to try and lower their price (back when fire was 8k +) while for the next 2 days the entire history read lower.... it went back up. Not everyone agrees with putting things up for a lower price... but most agree to put things up fior a higher price :-( So having a price raise usually lasts much longer than a price drop.

Ah well... now this is turning into Economics 101 instead of gil selling/buying.

sometimes i appreciate what the gil sellers do for people. Having a mediocre tank in your party isn't all too good when yer the WHM... but when that medicore tank can afford some damn nice gears to offset (not completely.. just a bit though) his suckiness... i'm a happier WHM :-)

As alla's thought for the day some time ago "good gear doesnt make bad players good, it makes good players better" this is true... the mediocre tank is still medicore... but atleast now i wont have to spam cures on his lame a$$ and have to nearly fully rest after 1 or 2 battles. It now becomes 2 or 3 battles :-)

Instead of selling gil... people need to sella dvice and guidance. that's the way to go.

Wanna be a damn good paladin? 10k gil i'll show ya the basics. Don't charge too much.. because then they'll have to contact the gilsellers for gil to pay the advice givers lol.

I think the question of necessity isn't really the under scrutiny here. The original OP's position is to support such practices, which isn't right in my opinion (on a matter of principle).

This is kinda similar to the argument that while murder, robbery and what not exist in the world today, you have to support it. Well, these things exist, but I do not have to like them, do I?

My biggest problem with the whole issue is the Camping Abuse. I don't really care about gil selling if people can buy the goods they need to craft for a reasonable (not excessive price) and people can get the NMs they want and not have it stolen by some abusive player(s). If they were to fix the Camping Issues, I would care about gil selling one way or the other.

I for one dont believe in gil buying cause people should know what there getting into b4 they level a job. Especially at higher lvls. Honest people in the game bust there asses to earn the Gil that they do and then some loser just gos onto a site clicks a button and they have the same gil that someone spent weeks if not months earning. If you were playing say poker with some friends and one said i dont like these cards heres 10 bucks i want a royal flush is that ok? Its cheating and hurting honest people. If someone cant play a game without cheating i for one would rather not play with them.

By the time you're willing to spend money above the monthly fee on this game, you need to re-examine the concept of "game". This is ENTERTAINMENT people. It's a sad fact of life that certain people find that this is some form of 2nd life. Unfortunatly it's simply the modern interactive equivalent to going to the movies. That's all it realy is. The key draw over any movie experience is the "interactive" part. You're dealing with other people.

The main reason that the gil buying has become so prevalent is that people succumb to peer pressure. Admitedly most of the players in the game are sub-twenty five years old. So peer pressure is going to be a large part of their life veiw, and they have less inoculation against it. There is also the "long term view" issue. I've been having fun playing this game for the last two and a half years (almost). I'll probably be spending another who knows how many years playing this game. No reason to barrel thru things without being prepaired. So I take my time, earn gil, develop my char, and progress various skills as I'm able to make time online.

If you don't go crazy and sucumb to peer pressure, this can be quite an enjoyable pass-time. But that's all it remains. A replacement in my schedule for bad TV and bad Movies. It allows me to replace the time wasted with those things with stuff I consider more "fun". Not to mention without "advertisment" (and no, the gil sellers hawking their wares in lower jeuno is not advertisment since I can always blacklist the people who get too pushy).

Ooooo sudden thought - take all the high level chars and divide the amount of time they've been online minus bazzar time by the amount of time they've been in existence, and you suddenly have an idea about the amount of time advertizing has lost to gameing since this is normaly time that would have been spent going to a movie (adds at the start) or watching TV. Hopefully the very thougth will give some add exec appoplexy. We can hope anyways.

That was well said Jyneefur.

Rate up on that.

~Vas

i agree with this 100%, my WW is high enough to support pretty much anything i need, but it does take time to get the gil out of it, waiting on AH sales and whatnot. I did however find it ironic that your sig says 'GS13' ... lol XD
alchemy is profitable too ofcourse =P





well, some people have more money then time/brains and they buy their way through the game and probably through life as well.

I, am not one of those people. So i craft.

Well I really don't know if I support gilbuying or not. If you want to spend your money on it, that's up to you. If you show up to my party with mega l33t gear, a bad attitude and then you pull an NM, you're still gonna get kicked.

Personally, I know I work hard at this game. I soloed for hours with my BLU learning spells and trying to get seals for BCNMs which are my primary source of income. I hate synthing and normal farming, I play games to have fun, not spend hours doing something I don't enjoy so I can progress. If I'm forced to do that in any other game... I just won't play it.

Same applies here. I don't do them so I BCNM instead. Now I recently did Royal Jelly 3 or 4 times, and got yada. Absolute crap. Now I have about 10 seals. I also have about 350k and with lvl 59 WAR approaching... I want a Haubergon. Now, you can guess my dilemma. I can spend my own hard earned real life money on gil so I can continue having fun without being insulted and given snide looks/comments whatever. And I can feel that I'm properly geared and not letting people down. OR I can bore myself to tears and probably stop playing for a while (letting down all my friends from Ballista) and waste a lot of my time farming gil to earn it "honestly".

I know most people reading this are thinking "lazy twat" or "I did it, why can't he?" and I repeat: I play for fun. And damn it, after writing this I think that buying gil might actually contribute to that fun. I'm not gonna go buying 99 million and I don't even know if I'll buy *any* but right now I'm gonna type FFXI gil in to Google and see what comes up.

Rate down if you want. This is a forum, I'm sure I'll get over it. (Although I was inordinately proud of my Scholar status... lol)

Anyway... to Google!

Necropost.

gilbuyers are alright as long as they know how to do their job
every so often you get the rank 1 ninja with leaping boots emperor pin and the works but doesnt know how/when to provoke -.-

may have already said this lol kinda off my rocker

Well my PC broke but I finally got around to looking at gil... and all I could say was wow. $100 for 5 million? I mean... sure, I want 5 million gil. I would pay a maximum of like... £20 for it, or so I thought. "It brings the economy down, blah blah", screw that. I say we lynch the morons who will pay $200 for like 10 million gil, and call the rip-off-of-the-century police. And if you have been doing already, then good for you.

Despite saying that, I have a life to lead. And the thousand five hundred punds I have sitting in the bank (at the age of 17 so I don't have to buy food or pay bills) isn't going anywhere. There must be about... 3 games I want this year that have yet to come out. So do I spend the ~£60 and then say never again? Or do I tell them to go screw themselves?
I really dunno... any suggestions here? And I mean suggestions, not mindless drivel like some of you are wont to spout. Open to the floor and jury.

F**k Yeah! I agree 100%. I catch hell for wearing my entire BLU AF in exp parties because people feel I should be macroing in a Scorpion Harness or Republic Subligar instead of wearing the Magus Attire "I PAID FOR!"

If buying gil makes you 100% happy, do it and tell the world to G F Y.

No

Love you Vas, it's bed time for me soon lol. I still hold the same views. So what are you up too?

I really do not support it, however, in reality. It is your money that you earned and you are entitled to do whatever you want with it, so to spend real life currency for virtual financial gain, that is your choice.

Oh by the way Vas, you're going to make me strangle myself...

Re-subbed a few hours and wow...

Nearly cried when I heard all the sounds that intrigued me.

I HATE All OF YOU!!!

































*raspberries*

Gilbuying is for winners.

Yeah...playing on an Alt that I created before I left. Didn't know I still had it.

But right now, trying to get back in the mood of the game as a 15THF.

Name's Alareia.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 9:48pm by AayliahOfRemora

2yr old necropost ftw.

also, lol wut?

Hmmmmmm. FFXI is the only MMORPG that I've played, as I've a preference for single player games - like most of the rest of the FF series. The only online experience I've ever had was with NWN and NWN2 and those are not open worlds for the most part so I've never even heard of gilbuying until we started playing FFXI.

I'm of two minds on the subject.

On the one hand we've gone through nearly 650K so far leveling only a few jobs to 20 and some crafts. We've earned every brass farthing, fishing (mostly), alchemy, cooking, bone and cloth craft (all are already 8-12 range). My husband and I both have two mules which we use to DEATH to fish with and as warehouses (Should have my Lu Shangs by early summer). That said we go through $hitloads of gil continuously. I realize that at the moment that is due to limitations of our current level, but I refuse to go out without everything I might need. If I need Sneak and Invis, then I need several Silent Oils and Prism Powders, not just one each. I need juice, yummy yummy juice - and I need a lot of it (I'm a thirsty kitty!) and PIE!!! Rolanberry pies are expensive! And Gear! I try to keep all of us (mostly duo with an occasional/static third) at level in gear, and since I'm running the finances for three people (it works for us) I know what that costs. So I can clearly see that if you didn't have the kind of time we have to invest in making gil, we wouldn't have as much fun as we do, and we wouldn't be where we are.

On the other hand, I could have spent a few bucks a few months ago, spent all my time leveling and STILL have a few mil in the bank - that has attractions as well. I just don't think I could do it. It feels somehow dishonest to me, like robbing a bank or something.

And the thing is, in many cases (from what I've read) it doesn't matter HOW much money you have, some things cannot be bought. Either you or someone else must craft the item, and many of those items have rare/ex ingredients which, in and of themselves, are long and time consuming to acquire. Easiest way to get an Iqira Weskit? Level Bonecraft. Any NIN who doesn't have BUCKETS of ninja tools is just lazy, all the ones you REALLY need are lower level synths (Shihei is, what, 23WW? - that's easy to get to!) I did Alchemy to 6 in two hours crafting Tsurara - which were almost free to make due to farming - and which brought in a nice bit of coin! I can understand why some people would WANT to buy gil, but if you love playing the entire game, you wont NEED to...

Alchemy didn't pay off for me until I was about 80+ when I finally reached 98+2, I was making a nice profit.

Also, there are players who don't play 24 hours a day, 7 days a week who may be able to play only once or twice a week. Wouldn't they be at a disadvantage? (I'm just throwing that out there.)

I suppose not, I guess it's that big of an issue anymore. Must get on to out level you!

woot more bumping!

RMT: No, cause it messes with my NMs and my sales
Gil buying: Maybe, cause it unsuck people or at least make them suck less

yeah I'm weird =_=; can't have gil buying without RMT farming in your backyard huh? How about I take you out for dinner for a month and you give that over-priced kraken club of yours? Gil buying: yes, RMT: no.