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#52 May 12 2006 at 2:58 AM Rating: Default
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nce people who watch the AH realized that the item that can be bought from NPC can now be sold for a fair profit margin, they can start playing the AH


shhh dont give away insider secrets!!! lol

don't listen to dadub, there are no such thing as vendors.. you MUST buy everything at AH.

**** you dub >< haha.

I digress.

yeah, undercutting will lower prices.. but from the trends i've noticed over the years... they don't stay that way. I've swarmed AH with certain crystals 1.5k less than their current market value to try and lower their price (back when fire was 8k +) while for the next 2 days the entire history read lower.... it went back up. Not everyone agrees with putting things up for a lower price... but most agree to put things up fior a higher price :-( So having a price raise usually lasts much longer than a price drop.

Ah well... now this is turning into Economics 101 instead of gil selling/buying.

sometimes i appreciate what the gil sellers do for people. Having a mediocre tank in your party isn't all too good when yer the WHM... but when that medicore tank can afford some **** nice gears to offset (not completely.. just a bit though) his suckiness... i'm a happier WHM :-)

As alla's thought for the day some time ago "good gear doesnt make bad players good, it makes good players better" this is true... the mediocre tank is still medicore... but atleast now i wont have to spam cures on his lame a$$ and have to nearly fully rest after 1 or 2 battles. It now becomes 2 or 3 battles :-)

Instead of selling gil... people need to sella dvice and guidance. that's the way to go.

Wanna be a **** good paladin? 10k gil i'll show ya the basics. Don't charge too much.. because then they'll have to contact the gilsellers for gil to pay the advice givers lol.

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#53 May 14 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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at the end of it all, the way i see it, as long as there's this system of haves and have-nots, people are going to look for ways to get what they want. that includes people who want real money. they see the holes that ffxi created and they seek to exploit them. unless SE does something to correct the futility, gilselling and gilbuying will NEVER go away no matter what they do. it's all tied into botting and any other kind of cheating that exists. people want to PLAY their games, not WORK to play! someone's already WORKED to pay for the game. they deserve to have their playing time maximized.


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#54 May 14 2006 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the question of necessity isn't really the under scrutiny here. The original OP's position is to support such practices, which isn't right in my opinion (on a matter of principle).

This is kinda similar to the argument that while murder, robbery and what not exist in the world today, you have to support it. Well, these things exist, but I do not have to like them, do I?
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#55 May 14 2006 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:at the end of it all, the way i see it, as long as there's this system of haves and have-nots, people are going to look for ways to get what they want. that includes people who want real money. they see the holes that ffxi created and they seek to exploit them. unless SE does something to correct the futility, gilselling and gilbuying will NEVER go away no matter what they do. it's all tied into botting and any other kind of cheating that exists. people want to PLAY their games, not WORK to play! someone's already WORKED to pay for the game. they deserve to have their playing time maximized.



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#56 May 19 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Default
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My biggest problem with the whole issue is the Camping Abuse. I don't really care about gil selling if people can buy the goods they need to craft for a reasonable (not excessive price) and people can get the NMs they want and not have it stolen by some abusive player(s). If they were to fix the Camping Issues, I would care about gil selling one way or the other.
#57 May 19 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Default
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Wow this woman can blab lol. did she smoke some crank before
writing this essay. But it is quite ammusing. But to be honest
im sp spoiled on mnk pt's or tp burn i can get 15k exp p/hr.
But anyways not too dogg her she put alot of time into this lol.



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#58 May 21 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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I for one dont believe in gil buying cause people should know what there getting into b4 they level a job. Especially at higher lvls. Honest people in the game bust there asses to earn the Gil that they do and then some loser just gos onto a site clicks a button and they have the same gil that someone spent weeks if not months earning. If you were playing say poker with some friends and one said i dont like these cards heres 10 bucks i want a royal flush is that ok? Its cheating and hurting honest people. If someone cant play a game without cheating i for one would rather not play with them.
#59 May 21 2006 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Or maybe realize they're playing a video game, in a fantasy world. Playing for fun and RL money should never come into play? Anyone who buys gil seriously needs to re-evaluate why they play a video game.
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#60 May 23 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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By the time you're willing to spend money above the monthly fee on this game, you need to re-examine the concept of "game". This is ENTERTAINMENT people. It's a sad fact of life that certain people find that this is some form of 2nd life. Unfortunatly it's simply the modern interactive equivalent to going to the movies. That's all it realy is. The key draw over any movie experience is the "interactive" part. You're dealing with other people.

The main reason that the gil buying has become so prevalent is that people succumb to peer pressure. Admitedly most of the players in the game are sub-twenty five years old. So peer pressure is going to be a large part of their life veiw, and they have less inoculation against it. There is also the "long term view" issue. I've been having fun playing this game for the last two and a half years (almost). I'll probably be spending another who knows how many years playing this game. No reason to barrel thru things without being prepaired. So I take my time, earn gil, develop my char, and progress various skills as I'm able to make time online.

If you don't go crazy and sucumb to peer pressure, this can be quite an enjoyable pass-time. But that's all it remains. A replacement in my schedule for bad TV and bad Movies. It allows me to replace the time wasted with those things with stuff I consider more "fun". Not to mention without "advertisment" (and no, the gil sellers hawking their wares in lower jeuno is not advertisment since I can always blacklist the people who get too pushy).

Ooooo sudden thought - take all the high level chars and divide the amount of time they've been online minus bazzar time by the amount of time they've been in existence, and you suddenly have an idea about the amount of time advertizing has lost to gameing since this is normaly time that would have been spent going to a movie (adds at the start) or watching TV. Hopefully the very thougth will give some add exec appoplexy. We can hope anyways.
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#61 May 23 2006 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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One thing that several people have stated that I strongly disagree with is that people shouldn't buy gil because this is a game, a source of entertainment.

Well, I personally don't find farming to be entertainment. I don't enjoy camping lower-level gil NMs. I'm not a huge fan of crafting. I don't find those things to be entertaining.

Since I'm playing the game for entertainment, why can I not purchase gil to make my entertainment actually entertain me? I'm pay a monthly fee for this "entertainment". Why can I not spend a little more gil and actually *enjoy* the entertainment I pay for monthly?

There are many JP players who don't buy gil who have had gil in the 9 figures for a long time. There are hundreds of NAs with 8-figure gil accounts who don't buy gil. These people buy things at insane prices, also. While buying gil may be "morally" wrong, the gil buyers aren't the sole reason for our economy issues.

-- Using "I" hypothetically as an example. I don't condone gilbuying, but I don't absolutely 100% hate people that do it, either. Read my post above. :P
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#62 May 24 2006 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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That was well said Jyneefur.

Rate up on that.

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#63 May 24 2006 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I personally don't find farming to be entertainment. I don't enjoy camping lower-level gil NMs. I'm not a huge fan of crafting. I don't find those things to be entertaining.

True but then again I don't do those things. I don't have the hours online to fight the nm campers (wich with 2.5 years in the game and still not 75 you should be able to guess). So I don't camp NMs. I'll do popnm's till I'm blue in the face, I'll do BCNM's when I find a bunch of people I can trust. I do crafting - a lot. There is a lot of gill to be made by a high level crafter. In fact if you realy want to roll in the gil take goldsmithing up all the way. Once you're 95+ GS gil is no longer an issue. No need to buy gil. And don't gimi the argument that "but you need gil to get into gs". **** you don't actualy need any gil for any of the crafts IF YOU'RE PATIENT. All the crafts can boot strap themselves. They all have lower level profit synths allong their trees. They can all be bootstraped along the way. But you have to be patient to do it that way, not buzz thru 1-100 in a single week (actualy don't think you could get from 90-100 in a week due to limited supplies of specific crafting items).

I still stand by my assertion that the buying of gil is simply a sign of total lack of patience. You're going to be playing this game for years, so why hurry thru it? gil only accelerates things. And if you're only in the game for a few months, why are you wasting more money on it than the monthly fee?

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#64 May 24 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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In fact if you realy want to roll in the gil take goldsmithing up all the way. Once you're 95+ GS gil is no longer an issue. No need to buy gil. And don't gimi the argument that "but you need gil to get into gs". **** you don't actualy need any gil for any of the crafts IF YOU'RE PATIENT. All the crafts can boot strap themselves. They all have lower level profit synths allong their trees. They can all be bootstraped along the way. But you have to be patient to do it that way, not buzz thru 1-100 in a single week (actualy don't think you could get from 90-100 in a week due to limited supplies of specific crafting items).


i agree with this 100%, my WW is high enough to support pretty much anything i need, but it does take time to get the gil out of it, waiting on AH sales and whatnot. I did however find it ironic that your sig says 'GS13' ... lol XD
alchemy is profitable too ofcourse =P



Strangeone wrote:

And if you're only in the game for a few months, why are you wasting more money on it than the monthly fee?


well, some people have more money then time/brains and they buy their way through the game and probably through life as well.

I, am not one of those people. So i craft.
#65 Jul 26 2006 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Gil buying causes a buyer who can pay an unlimited price.. it wont take long before the seller will take advantage of that.

I'm against it, farming it, buying it, yet not against players who don't have A+ gear. (up to date NQ stuff will do in my book..)

That being said I've started to level BST a lot lately because the only person you will hurt if you don't have great gear is yourself.
#66 Jul 31 2006 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Well I really don't know if I support gilbuying or not. If you want to spend your money on it, that's up to you. If you show up to my party with mega l33t gear, a bad attitude and then you pull an NM, you're still gonna get kicked.

Personally, I know I work hard at this game. I soloed for hours with my BLU learning spells and trying to get seals for BCNMs which are my primary source of income. I hate synthing and normal farming, I play games to have fun, not spend hours doing something I don't enjoy so I can progress. If I'm forced to do that in any other game... I just won't play it.

Same applies here. I don't do them so I BCNM instead. Now I recently did Royal Jelly 3 or 4 times, and got yada. Absolute crap. Now I have about 10 seals. I also have about 350k and with lvl 59 WAR approaching... I want a Haubergon. Now, you can guess my dilemma. I can spend my own hard earned real life money on gil so I can continue having fun without being insulted and given snide looks/comments whatever. And I can feel that I'm properly geared and not letting people down. OR I can bore myself to tears and probably stop playing for a while (letting down all my friends from Ballista) and waste a lot of my time farming gil to earn it "honestly".

I know most people reading this are thinking "lazy twat" or "I did it, why can't he?" and I repeat: I play for fun. And **** it, after writing this I think that buying gil might actually contribute to that fun. I'm not gonna go buying 99 million and I don't even know if I'll buy *any* but right now I'm gonna type FFXI gil in to Google and see what comes up.

Rate down if you want. This is a forum, I'm sure I'll get over it. (Although I was inordinately proud of my Scholar status... lol)

Anyway... to Google!
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#67 Jul 31 2006 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I can spend my own hard earned real life money on gil so I can continue having fun without being insulted and given snide looks/comments whatever. And I can feel that I'm properly geared and not letting people down. OR I can bore myself to tears and probably stop playing for a while (letting down all my friends from Ballista) and waste a lot of my time farming gil to earn it "honestly".

I know most people reading this are thinking "lazy twat" or "I did it, why can't he?" and I repeat: I play for fun. And **** it, after writing this I think that buying gil might actually contribute to that fun. I'm not gonna go buying 99 million and I don't even know if I'll buy *any* but right now I'm gonna type FFXI gil in to Google and see what comes up.


I don't blame you. There are waaaaaaay too many extreme gamers who turned this fun, fantasy world into a "1337" only place in which every job is a **** cookie cut production line job, and you have to wear certain gear, wielding certain weapons or you are "n00b" or "gimp" or "insert stupid f'in childish name here".

Not everyone can dedicate 40, 50 or 60, or more hours a week playing this game. People have lives. It's the people who play constantly (well I'm one of em, but I despise these leet **** hats more than anyone)that ruin all MMO's and expect everything to be done their way. There is no "thinking outside the box" with these people.

Honestly man, I say buy your gil.... because if we are partied together and some dumbass NIN tank or anyone else who thikns their **** doesnt stink starts getting all prissy because you arent macroing equip swaps for the extra +2 attack to get the smallest edge possible in dd, all because youc an't afford it... i'm going to go crazy.

Sick and tired of hearing people **** about other people's gears. If you don't like what the f&*# i'm wearing.. then buy me whatever you want to see me in. This is what I can afford, this is what I've taken my personal time to craft or farm items to purchase... people shouldn't expect anything out of anyone in this game, other than to play the job to the bestof their ability and to be a decent all around person.


If buying gil to get your bad **** wares is what it takes for these **** clowns to stop **** about every single exp party they are in... then do it. If you can afford it.. buy gil until your fingers are numb from clicking your mouse on "add to cart" or "cofirm order".
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Borntoland & Galkaman, there is nothing wrong with your views as long as you support them both which you did. I don't see why you would be rated down.

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#70 Aug 01 2006 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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gilbuyers are alright as long as they know how to do their job
every so often you get the rank 1 ninja with leaping boots emperor pin and the works but doesnt know how/when to provoke -.-

may have already said this lol kinda off my rocker
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#71 Aug 05 2006 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Eniwetok wrote:
I Support Gil Buying. I view "Gilbuying" the same way as I view "Power Leveling" and "Gift Receiving".

If someone PL's you to level 20 so you can bypass the d00nes, did you earn that level? No, you did not. It doesn't matter if you have four lvl 75 jobs and you just wanted a faster way to get back to endgame events while bypassing the noobs who infest the d00nes. You have a level that you did not earn and are not ashamed to show it off.

((Personally Pet Peeve)) If someone you know or even don't know gives you an Astral Ring or Vermy Cloak or whatever the item may be, just because they could and you accepted it doesn't mean it was the morally right thing to do. You did not farm for that item, you did not quest for that item, you did camp for that item, that item was given to you. You have an item that you did not earn and are not ashamed to show it off.

They are all means in which players obtain what they want without earning it. As long as people want to obtain a level without fully working for it, without taking the time to learn every aspect of that job. They will ask for and will recieve a "Power Level". As long as there are people who want the best gear and will do anything to recieve them. There will always be "Gift Receiving" and "Gil Buying".

You may not like where I stand on this issue, but you at least you know where I stand on this issue.

Commense the rate downs and lack of party invites that I will receive from now on.


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#72 Aug 08 2006 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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Well my PC broke but I finally got around to looking at gil... and all I could say was wow. $100 for 5 million? I mean... sure, I want 5 million gil. I would pay a maximum of like... £20 for it, or so I thought. "It brings the economy down, blah blah", **** that. I say we lynch the morons who will pay $200 for like 10 million gil, and call the rip-off-of-the-century police. And if you have been doing already, then good for you.

Despite saying that, I have a life to lead. And the thousand five hundred punds I have sitting in the bank (at the age of 17 so I don't have to buy food or pay bills) isn't going anywhere. There must be about... 3 games I want this year that have yet to come out. So do I spend the ~£60 and then say never again? Or do I tell them to go **** themselves?
I really dunno... any suggestions here? And I mean suggestions, not mindless drivel like some of you are wont to spout. Open to the floor and jury.
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I really dunno... any suggestions here? And I mean suggestions, not mindless drivel like some of you are wont to spout. Open to the floor and jury.


you want to spend real money on fake money then knock yourself and do it already.
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#74 Aug 09 2006 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
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Sick and tired of hearing people **** about other people's gears. If you don't like what the f&*# i'm wearing.. then buy me whatever you want to see me in. This is what I can afford, this is what I've taken my personal time to craft or farm items to purchase... people shouldn't expect anything out of anyone in this game, other than to play the job to the best of their ability and to be a decent all around person.


If buying gil to get your bad **** wares is what it takes for these **** clowns to stop **** about every single exp party they are in... then do it. If you can afford it.. buy gil until your fingers are numb from clicking your mouse on "add to cart" or "cofirm order".


F**k Yeah! I agree 100%. I catch **** for wearing my entire BLU AF in exp parties because people feel I should be macroing in a Scorpion Harness or Republic Subligar instead of wearing the Magus Attire "I PAID FOR!"

If buying gil makes you 100% happy, do it and tell the world to G F Y.
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#75 Apr 02 2008 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm bumping this thread because this stimulated some great debates and discussions and it was all clean and friendly!

Our forums are dying again so I'm going to give it a jump start...

CLEAR! ~foom~

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Question: Do you support or condemn gil buying? (read original topic at top of thread)

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#76 Apr 02 2008 at 11:36 PM Rating: Good
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#77 Apr 02 2008 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for your elaborated response Mikey. LoL. Miss ya!

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#78 Apr 02 2008 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
Love you Vas, it's bed time for me soon lol. I still hold the same views. So what are you up too?
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#79 Apr 02 2008 at 11:43 PM Rating: Good
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Just was reading over forums and was bored. I've been playing around on a friend's account to make sure I want to come back.

At least the economy is back to normal eh? I don't know, I think I'm slowly getting back into the swing of things, unfortunately my name is available anymore.

/sigh

How are you doing?

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#80 Apr 03 2008 at 1:13 AM Rating: Default
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I really do not support it, however, in reality. It is your money that you earned and you are entitled to do whatever you want with it, so to spend real life currency for virtual financial gain, that is your choice.

Oh by the way Vas, you're going to make me strangle myself...

Re-subbed a few hours and wow...

Nearly cried when I heard all the sounds that intrigued me.

I HATE All OF YOU!!!

































*raspberries*
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#81 Apr 03 2008 at 2:03 AM Rating: Good
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Huh. Good thing I never bought that gil.
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Gilbuying is for winners.
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#83 Apr 03 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Aayliah, are you back now? :)))))
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#84 Apr 03 2008 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah...playing on an Alt that I created before I left. Didn't know I still had it.

But right now, trying to get back in the mood of the game as a 15THF.

Name's Alareia.

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I sent you a PM. Read now! :)
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#86 Apr 03 2008 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
2yr old necropost ftw.

also, lol wut?
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#88 Apr 14 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmmmm. FFXI is the only MMORPG that I've played, as I've a preference for single player games - like most of the rest of the FF series. The only online experience I've ever had was with NWN and NWN2 and those are not open worlds for the most part so I've never even heard of gilbuying until we started playing FFXI.

I'm of two minds on the subject.

On the one hand we've gone through nearly 650K so far leveling only a few jobs to 20 and some crafts. We've earned every brass farthing, fishing (mostly), alchemy, cooking, bone and cloth craft (all are already 8-12 range). My husband and I both have two mules which we use to DEATH to fish with and as warehouses (Should have my Lu Shangs by early summer). That said we go through $hitloads of gil continuously. I realize that at the moment that is due to limitations of our current level, but I refuse to go out without everything I might need. If I need Sneak and Invis, then I need several Silent Oils and Prism Powders, not just one each. I need juice, yummy yummy juice - and I need a lot of it (I'm a thirsty kitty!) and PIE!!! Rolanberry pies are expensive! And Gear! I try to keep all of us (mostly duo with an occasional/static third) at level in gear, and since I'm running the finances for three people (it works for us) I know what that costs. So I can clearly see that if you didn't have the kind of time we have to invest in making gil, we wouldn't have as much fun as we do, and we wouldn't be where we are.

On the other hand, I could have spent a few bucks a few months ago, spent all my time leveling and STILL have a few mil in the bank - that has attractions as well. I just don't think I could do it. It feels somehow dishonest to me, like robbing a bank or something.

And the thing is, in many cases (from what I've read) it doesn't matter HOW much money you have, some things cannot be bought. Either you or someone else must craft the item, and many of those items have rare/ex ingredients which, in and of themselves, are long and time consuming to acquire. Easiest way to get an Iqira Weskit? Level Bonecraft. Any NIN who doesn't have BUCKETS of ninja tools is just lazy, all the ones you REALLY need are lower level synths (Shihei is, what, 23WW? - that's easy to get to!) I did Alchemy to 6 in two hours crafting Tsurara - which were almost free to make due to farming - and which brought in a nice bit of coin! I can understand why some people would WANT to buy gil, but if you love playing the entire game, you wont NEED to...
#89 Apr 14 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, shihe is low level WW (28 i think) but unless you can HQ tier2 this, you are losing money by crafting it. Yes, you can say you'll farm the items needed to synth the ink and bast parchment to save on costs, but in the end you would have made more gil selling the synthesis materials on the AH and purchasing the shihe already stacked (toolbags). Crafting really only pays off when you're high-level and can HQ the items regularly.
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#90 Apr 14 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Alchemy didn't pay off for me until I was about 80+ when I finally reached 98+2, I was making a nice profit.

Also, there are players who don't play 24 hours a day, 7 days a week who may be able to play only once or twice a week. Wouldn't they be at a disadvantage? (I'm just throwing that out there.)
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#91 Apr 14 2008 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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In other words...I'm guessing no really gives a $#!t anymore?
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#92 Apr 14 2008 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I suppose not, I guess it's that big of an issue anymore. Must get on to out level you!
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#93 Jun 13 2008 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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That was a beautifully written masterpiece.


First off, whoever is angry or offended because of this post; Find meaning in your life.

Secondly, this captured my heart.
In the real world, which I'm sure some of you don't know alot about, and those are probably the ones who accidentally stumbled down here --- but as far as the ones who read what she has written, this is the real world. Some people have bills, work, children, school, whatever the case may be, some people have: No school, job, girlfriend/boyfriend, motivation, bills, daddy's credit card, etc...

While she was not saying whoever doesn't have top level gear was retarded, but with all the things life may have on our shoulders time is short. Some people are too busy trying to make a living to have a life and when they find some time to enjoy themselves and relax whether its reading, writing, sleeping, eating, FFXI, they want it to go smoothly. You would prefer the same thing with any endeavor. And those who care to disagree and have lesser than desired gear who really like the headache and challenge: Great, you'll get plenty of it.

Edited, Jun 13th 2008 5:24am by xElyx
#94 Jun 13 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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woot more bumping!

RMT: No, cause it messes with my NMs and my sales
Gil buying: Maybe, cause it unsuck people or at least make them suck less

yeah I'm weird =_=; can't have gil buying without RMT farming in your backyard huh? How about I take you out for dinner for a month and you give that over-priced kraken club of yours? Gil buying: yes, RMT: no.
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#95 Jun 15 2008 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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lulz, I remember that thread back in the Main...
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