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LOL!! This is some funny sh*t..let me tell you.

Just a couple points in defense of a good person...

Clelond

First time I met Clelond was in the tunnel near Gustav zone where the Golden Bat spawns most frequently...I was camping and he got the claim.
Naturally at first I was pissed and took off in a huff. Later on (about two weeks later) some jackass trained a line of gobs to the La Theine Plateau zone...guess who waded into the fray as only proper for a Paladin to do? Clelond.

Criticizing someone for the job that they are playing is wrong, and Anonymous was victim of that at the Eco-Warrior quest. I have already spoken to him about it and apologized, CUZ I WAS WRONG and was already having a bad day (some of the people at the Eco event didn't want to wait for the clearing team). Clelond is an exceptional example of the virtues you would expect a Paladin to uphold...but even a high level Paladin switching to Ranger (an unfamiliar job) can make mistakes. God knows we all do.

And as far as chaining goes...most ppl will bring the appropriate foods to an exp party, generally in the right quantity for the assumed duration. IMHO, the mages should have at least been carrying a couple Hi-Ethers and Yagudo Drinks for emergencies. And...before you all yell me about expensive potions...does it really take that long to farm up 10k? Is it not worth it to be prepared so that you can have a better chance to survive a hostile environment?

Peace all

Alerus
Remora
Rank 5 San d'Orian Elvaan
36PLD/18WAR

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Just making sure I'm not in this thread.

Meh, it's all gravy.
I have decided not to let something that suppose to be fun get to me. I have had players in game think im a jerk, but hey i have my off days and ive tried to make things right with them, cause im a very cool guy. This is just a game, has nothing to do with real life, and shouldn't effect it. Some poeple think im Very skilled some poeple think im a mean. So i just wanted to say, I'm sorry to anyone and everyone, that if in game i was rude or mean to you. Its a shame when Poeple IRL like Anonymous take grudges against other players and do things like Harass people in real life, but You just have to remember these poeple need help socialy cause the Game is all they have, Forgive them and move on. cause if you have faith in things you do you know what is real and what isn't.This is supposed to be fun, gonna chill out. As for anything else, i agree that everyone feels differently about players, Clelond is very cool guy, known him for {long time} but maybe you caught him on a 'off day'. It's pointless to come on and beg people to blist someone who was rude to you cause in the end, IRL that person could be very cool and nice in game to someone else on another time.

Anyways, Peace out, Have fun, Its just a game.

Edited, Wed Mar 2 19:59:36 2005 by theysayimcrazy

If you are indeed hearoh then the B-listings have happened quite a bit before your posts. I've heard a few LS members complain about you before, their b-listing you had nothing to do with this thread. None of them even visit alla to my knowledge.

When people begin devoting time to something, it cease to be JUST entertainment, but also a part of their life. Some people devote less time, while others devote more.

Whatever you have to say to him, please start taking it in PM. There is simply no need to occupy forum space.

Tryst.

Would follow me around while farming Yagudo Necklaces and continued to sneak up on my trains and banishga them and then run off. He said he could do it because he wanted to kill mobs too. In fact, he boasted about stealing the mobs.

LOL, I got rated down for this. Must have hurt some feelings?

.. they called a GM on you for accidentally getting killed and them dieing in the process? But you were trying to help them. No MPKer would invite you just to do it O_o

Yeah, something similar happened to me. I was training mobs in Palborough and had about 20 around me. Some BLM ran by and cast stonega on the quads, and almost all of them swarmed him, ruined him, then returning to getting killed by me. By the time I was done I was floating around 20 MP, so I rested a bit, and the dead BLM demanded I raise him. I rest up to 40, refresh, and tell him he'll have to wait.

I sorta raised him. You know. I was casting the spell then moved and it cancelled before it went off. Oops >:] I let it go off after he finally shut up in tells. I wander off, back to mining, leaving him there...he hadn't "allowed himself to be revived" yet. I come back around a few minutes later...the quads in the room respawned. He finally accepts the raise and gets up, and starts to REST. Surrounded by quads. They make their lil sound, turn, and whap him back down.

He HPs. I mine about my business. Nobody else is upstairs, so I start another train. I get a tell in the middle of it all:

[GM]something: I received a complaint concerning an repeated MPK...care to explain?

I proceed to explain how the BLM was fundamentally retarded. I said it was my mobs that killed him the first time, but he got their attention on his own. Because those monsters definitely killed him over and over, but of his own doing. Anyway, it goes on for a bit, which really cuts into my mining and farming.

Anyway, the moral of the story is later on he tried to train mobs onto me and warp away. Except the quads beat some spell interruption into him, and he sort of just died. It was funny.

The fact that there are plenty of areas to farm in there. I was staying in one general half, but he was actively following me around, waiting until I got a group together, then cast. And the fact that he did it just to be a smarmy bitch pisses me off. He tried to pretend it didn't happen, but when others saw it, he started talking sh*t.

Even if he didn't break any "rule", he's a douchebag who I would not mourne the loss of.

I happened to see Tryst in jueno and so I poked him and he sent a tell of "?", and I said "from wilow with love" and he responded with "lol", so I mean it was probably him, but I dont know what happened.

ah right, slap, poke, whatever. I could have very well SMILED at you, for the same reason, which was to see if you were the correct person.

I don't feel any need to list the people that I have blacklisted on my character, simply becuase perhaps they were having a bad day, and I don't wish to ruin anyone's reputation simply because I had a bad experience with them.

In referance to training / farming mobs. When I'm in Valkurm Dunes, and I see someone training gobs down near Konschtat, I'll /t them with this message. "Kill them now, or I'm going to." I do this for the lower levels who now don't have any prey, because of this high level. If you wish to train lizzies then go up near D-6 where the only parties are taking out goblins, and don't mind so much if you're taking out lizards. In King Ranperre's Tomb, I've taken an entire train of Mouse Bats off of someone, they way I see it, if there is more than one person farming bats in that same confined area, it's a little more courteous to, rather than train them, nuke them one by one. Gives everyone a chance to get their share, without fighting and stealing each others trains. I'd like to point out, that 90%-95% of the time, when I /t someone with that, they do proceed to kill their train, even if it's a WAR, and he has to melee them to death, if I see him ending his quest for a larger and larger train, I'll leave his mobs go, and even throw out Pro II, Shell II and Haste on him. Pretty much, just be considerate. Especially when you're farming mobs that lower levels could very well be killing to gain experience. When you have every mob in the zone on you, because you're "Leveling up shield skill," you're not allowing any additional mobs to spawn. I ran into this in Fort Ghelsba, where a Mithra had trained every single Orc in all of Fort Ghelsba, up near Warchief, and was training her shield skill. A couple of my LS friends were trying to level, and she threatened MPK if they touched any of "her orcs." I promptly switched to WHM, and headed over. I /t'd her and said by keeping all these mobs up here alive, you're robbing these people of any chance to gain experience. She just kept on complaining, so Banishga II, Elemental Seal Waterga, Stonega, Banishga II took care of everything.

Pretty much, I'm just trying to say that we need to be courteous to others when we're farming our mobs. It's fine normally, go to a corner of the zone where not too many people are, and for God's sake, if you're training Yags, and a Lv. 12 takes ONE off of your train, simply because it's Decent Challenge, and he needs experience, don't berate him for it. I'm sure you can live with one less Yagudo. And how do you avoid this? Kill off your train, and start over, or simply kill one by one. Thank you for your time.

From reading Simp's post, I didn't get the feeling he thought his friends had more right to mobs than the Mithra who was leveling her shield. What I got from this post was that he felt that the Mithra was abusing her right to more than her equal share of the mobs available in the entire zone. Quite frankly, I can also understand why he would then go and kill all the mobs she had trained.

Added to that, she threatened to MPK anyone that touched 'her' mobs. That, in itself, is a moronic threat. If she's high enough level to train some Orcs, she can do it in an area that less people frequent. She also didn't have to train the whole camp, and tell people to back off... it's selfish, and the people that can level there are inconvenienced.

As Simp pointed out, the more mobs left alive in a huge train, the less monsters other people can kill, which means they won't respawn until the person leading the train has had their fun- at everyone else's expense.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not against making a train and killing them off. However, everything has its place. Making a train in an area that you know lower levels often use to level is okay, provided you leave sufficient mobs for them to attack.

Also, I've noticed that some people get very touchy when you take one or two mobs that they've trained. I understand that they pulled it first- but if I spend 10 minutes looking for one thing to kill, because some self-important moron has taken everything out of that zone and refuses to kill any of them, they don't need all of those mobs. In my opinion, the best train-makers make a big train quickly, and kill the train quickly. I personally feel that most people that train an entire zone do so just to show off that they can make a bigass train- not because they need to.

Another point- I've seen several occasions where someone makes a massive train and runs around an area, where they show off how much they can pull. Not understanding the principles of hate well, they keep pulling new mobs without ensuring the old ones still have enough hate. As a result, when they pass the lower-level players (who might live on a 1-on-1 fight), they break away from the train, and kill the low-lvls. And in each case (I have seen it about 4 or 5 times), they responded that it wasn't their fault- that everyone shuold have known to stay out of the way. How can people stay out of the way of a massive group running all over a zone?

Finally, can we please get past this bickering? The Black List thread, as we have already seen, has enough personal attacks in it- and it didn't help those two people either. Most readers got tired and frustrated of the constant back-and-forth. Suffice to say that Wilow has /blisted Tryst, Tryst wrote back a response refuting it, someone else has vouched for Tryst, and it does no good to take it any further.

Just my 2 gil.
/endrant

There is no rules and laws saying what monster belongs to whom but the designs of the game define that. I'm sorry I don't know much about training stuff at lower levels for farming or skill up for low weapon skill since I have only do it once (or twice) and don't really like it. But here is what I know:

#1 As long as the name is not in purple and anyone else that is not in your party or alliance can attack then it is not "your" mob even if it is attacking you and/or your party. You have no right of what so ever to claim that one is yours. This is true for ANY stituation in cluding:
-Bst charm various pets to fight NM (the NM purple name dissappears 2~4sec after charm) and being claimed by another party.
-Exp party in an area that has a small/limited amount of monsters and someone (or a group) come up and kill everything in the area (for whatever reason: coffer, bst exp, skill up, fun...).
-A player claim a monster that another player trying to claim even if it's intentional (ie. follow someone and provoke/dia whatever he tries to attack).

#2 Everyone has equal rights. Everyone has the rights to skill up, gain exp, gain money... etc. A bst will have the right to exp in 'any' area he wants as long as he doesn't MPK anyone (accidentally or intentionally). A player will have the right to attack any train/mob that is not claimed (in purple/red name) no matter who or how other people are training them. A high level will have to the right to kill a low level monster to skill up (or just for fun) even if an exp party is trying to earn exp from it.

Those are strictly defined "rules" (mechanism) that have been designed for the game and everyone of us has to agree unless we can force/ask the game designers to change it. But there is a moral factor that is not counted in those. A lv50 killing Lizzards in Valkurm Dunes for fun/skill up knowing fully well that there are lv12~14 parties trying to earn exp on those because they don't know anything else to kill is morally wrong. The lv50 has a many options on what to skill up on (ie. many other zones that are not occupied by exp parties) while the exp party has very limited choices. A player trying to 'steal' a mob that has become unclaimed (due to charm/attacking a train...etc) knowing fully well that the other player have been fighting/claiming it for a while is also morally wrong.

So I think in this case:
-Tryst is (morally) wrong for trying to claim/attack the train made by Willow knowing fully well that a portion of it is originally claimed (or attacked) by Willow. The very fact that you trying to re-claim the mobs that have been accidentally attacked by Willow is a good enough reason.

-Willow is wrong (not about moral) claiming that the whole train is his when it is not due to the game mechanism that you can't claim more than 1 mob for long.

-The mithra in the Outpost is wrong (by the rules of the game agreed upon playing) because she threatens someone (harassment) and attempting to MPK (even though she haven't commited it). She is also wrong (same reason as Willow) for claiming monsters that she's not claiming (technically).

-Chakrila is being rude for slapping someone who don't know well and/or he doesn't know you. You are morally wrong for skilling up on the lizards knowing fully well that there are exp parties near by trying to gain exp on them. You do have the option to skill up in another area (such as Buburimu, Jugner or Passhow.. etc) and you choose not to do so. You're also morally wrong for telling a lie that you '/poke' Tryst but you actually '/slap' him. Whether it is a large or small telling a lie like that makes you look like a scamer (even if you aren't), is that right?

Edited, Thu Mar 17 13:38:20 2005 by kenki

New add to the list: Jaaspeh (male elvaan). MPK player, he admits doing it simply "out of boredom". Was reported at least twice Friday night. His typical MO is to run a chain of gobs to a camp of PCs (not the zone points where it would be easy to zone out of the trap) - he will bloodport and rince & repeat. Last seen actively MPKing parties in the jungles outside Khazam.

- Ma'at

everyone for stealing my pets while leveling bst...it's cool because i have Leave and a long memory.

In defense of Jaaspeh, while I do not profess to have been there, but I do have him on my flist, as well as being in the same linkshell for a while. To be honest, lately, he have not been playing that much, and he's highest job is Pld 33 i believe, to not exactly easy to train and MPK outside Kazham.

I know both him and he's RL gf, and they are both very nice people, I cant imagine him ever doing something like you said, Bahamaat, but then again, I was not there at the time.

@ Willow's post, this Pld have a MP pool of 80? Post level 41? That's........pretty damn low. >.<

Uh-oh. I'm morally wrong. How dare me level up marksmanship while watching over my friends! It's nice how people like you give me tells about how I'm stealing their lizards or whatever, but are quick to point fingers at others who say they own the mobs.



And yeah, Dona is a complete noob. Deffinately way up there on the hate list. Has the opaline set which is pretty expensive, yet doesn't know anything about notorious monsters in general except lizzy and emp, which everyone knows about. Obvioulsly an IGE patron. She hasn't learned anything in the 41+ levels she has somehow obtained, yet she attempts to flaunt everything she has, which is pretty much just equipment. People like her and Junia and the rest of her stupid @#%^ friends belong in valkurm forever.

Dude...Junia is your g/f in rl...

Heh, I had a run-in with this character last week trying to level my WAR, this was in Yuhtunga. It wasn't anything too serious but it was annoying to say the least.

I was seeking with a comment and flag up, and I had clearly written in my comment 'No Blind Invites' and '{/tell} {Please check it.} {Thank You.}'. So, maybe ten minutes after seeking, I get an invite from Tenakajr. I figure I'll ask the person what the party setup is, so I send him a /tell politely asking exactly that. He flat-out refused to reveal the lineup and told me I had to join or not; Naturally, I declined the invite. After that, I got a swarm of angry tells about how rude I am and so forth. Eh, whatever... I didn't blacklist him, but I won't be partying with that fellow anytime soon.

Maybe he didn't try to MPK me 'cuz he saw me clearing out a few smithy trains with my main earlier that day ^^

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure he was a good player before he made that decision.

No new names to add, but I would like to take some time to explain to people that if you insist on being a Power Levelled party that you understand what a PL is there for and what they are not there for. Spending 45 minutes hacking at a Leecher or a Snipper for 0 and 1 point hits doesn't make you "mad EXPz" it makes you a loser who killed 45 minutes+ for no xp because you need to call for help so the PL player could kill the mob with 2 hits. A PL helps to keep downtime to a minimum, extends chains because of a lack of downtime and at best, is there for situations of totally accidental link/aggro issues (like a gob popping in camp). You learn nothing about your job or how to party effectively and level none of your important skills if you just let the mob whack away at the PL and let the PLer do all the healing/buffing (no heal/guard/parry/shield/evasion/enhancing skill ups = gimpy character, irregardless of what level they may actually be). It's junk food xp - all bang, no substance.

- Ma'at

*looks at list and wonders if he is on it somewhere* whew..

I'm just curious as to looking at this large list. How many people here have a gigantic blist? I havn't blisted a soul. Just not my style.

As for MPK's. It's sad so many people scream MPK anymore, if someone being chased for there life and isn't really trying to get anyone killed.

I only blist aperson if they like start cussing me out i a very nice i have been on for a year adn i only have 3 people on my blist on person i partied with adn he said i was a sucky leader exactly what he said
"man u suck ass if u can even party right u should go f***
urself i mean my dick could do better than u"
that i why i blisted him the other 2 my sister did
i mean u gotta be nice to people and they should adn will be nice to u so hanks and people bliste other for the gayest reasons i was blisted becuase i was being chased by a gob in valkrum and i saw a freind and she wasa lv 35 whm i asked her to help me ans he did she said goto seblina to zone and i did
she got killed and sadi i was a bitch and she blisted me and well that was a stupid reason to