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#1 Sep 04 2008 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I was fishing in kuftal alone and after a while theres a couple of things us fishermen can pick up on such as bot characters. One of these things are players that instantly release fish without testing the "Stamina" or HP value of mobs. Sure there are plenty of ways to prevent yourself from catching mobs, or junk gear either by music or by testing the HP drop of the fish. Someone that immediately letting go when they pull a fish without testing has NO possible way to know its not the fish they want, music can sometimes help but its not 100%. Anyway I was watching metaldrummer and he was doing just that. I had to watch him for about 30 or so fish to be sure it wasn't "just" music. He is definetely a fish botter but doesn't go afk while he does so. Smart, but not smart enough to realize that its very obvious if you watch someone for a little while.
If this was the only issue I wouldn't post this, there was another Linkshell fishing there together and he became very rude with them, they never bothered him or said a word. Came to the point of him saying all kinds of obsenities and telling them to gtfo your ruining my luck etc.
The other LS must have been watching him to so because they had also pointed out his "Fishing skill" as he called it.
Never the less, just posting for attitude warning and incase people don't want hackers in their LS heres another one to avoid.
#2 Sep 12 2008 at 5:40 PM Rating: Default
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Maybe it was an Iranian that hacked his account and started fish botting, they do that sometimes, especially around the 5th of every month.
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#3 Sep 13 2008 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Metaldrummer used to be a friend of mine. He quit and gave his account to me. I held onto it for awhile and used him to farm cuz of his, at the time 72 THF, but then my brother quit and I took his account. So I had to get rid of Metal. I ended up talking with game friends and he eventually fell into the hands of a player called Lonesoldier. As to what happened to him after that, I have no idea. Just a back story to him.
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#4 Sep 24 2008 at 7:20 PM Rating: Default
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Add fulcar and cellest to the list, same exact reason same exact spot, infact even in party with metal drummer. Observed for 4 hours.
Fulcar hi-jacked cellest's account and admitted it and put a bunch of bs reasons as to why he did it. So cellest is not cellest.
Starting to think their linkshell is a botter linkshell.

Edited, Sep 24th 2008 11:15pm by Laernu
#5 Sep 24 2008 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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it's a shame. Metaldrummer, the original was such a great guy. He ended up quitting to pursue a girl and start touring with his band. They're from Canada, his band's name is Six Feet Forward. Crazy how people screw everything up. Wonder if the guy I gave the account to is a botter or something related?
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#6 Sep 25 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
And which linkshell do you percieve to be a "botter" linkshell??

Cellest is part of the "ForHonorandGlory" order, please watch your blasphemy when you have no proof to the allegations that you speak.

Without proof you are just slandering the names of others. Not to mention the name you are making for yourself by doing so.

Oto


Edit: I make not judgement over your character, but why is it that you do not share your name with us?

Edited, Sep 25th 2008 12:25pm by Otovyoto
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#7 Sep 26 2008 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Add fulcar and cellest to the list, same exact reason same exact spot, infact even in party with metal drummer. Observed for 4 hours.
Fulcar hi-jacked cellest's account and admitted it and put a bunch of bs reasons as to why he did it. So cellest is not cellest.
Starting to think their linkshell is a botter linkshell.


If you have some proof of this alleged 3rd party activity please bring it forth for us to see. All I see here in this post is Suspicion based Slander.

I do not know who Fulcar is, But Cellest is an upstanding member of ForHonorAndGlory. Fulcar could be a friend of Cellest's and could be there just to help kill mobs or have some fun fishing, something I've personally done for friends a handful of times when bored.

Going the next step and calling the linkshell botters is malicious at worst and careless at best, but I suspect that you didn't even bother to check what linkshell's they were all associated with.

I Do find it particularly curious that you are willing to out several people but remain anonymous as to your in game identity, It makes me question the validity of what you say.

~Freja
#8 Sep 26 2008 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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Oto, Freja, just so you guys know, Fulcar/Cellest do have another Ls besides ours. Also, Fulcar and Cellest are the same person.
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#9 Oct 03 2008 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
Understood SirOpobant, However it is never made mention which LS they were part of, and I for one do not want people to associate one view with our LS.
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#10 Oct 08 2008 at 11:24 PM Rating: Default
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Cellest "was" fulcar's wife. And they split up and fulcar didn't give cellest the character back so yes they are the same person. If you didnt know that you don't know "cellest" very well. It's not cellest anymore, and no it was not FHG, I would've remembered if it was you guys. They already got kicked out of the other LS they were in for the same reason as your concern, not wanting association with botters. Zelgodis and Shimara were also removed from the other LS 2 months ago for the same reason, fishing with botter friends days upon days and refused to stop after being asked to do so especially with the other ls pearl on.
Besides you already admited you don't know who fulcar is (cellest). And the botting is being done on fulcar not cellest, but same person. Therefor you wouldn't have been connected by FHG ls because fulcar doesnt have a pearl to it according to you.

Whats even more deceptive about it is that they are extremely nice, both zel and cellest (fulcar now). But people don't care if your the hand of god if you bot, helpful nice whatever. A botter is a botter and they piss people off the way they fish because its a mob to be fished on a timer and they keep cheating to pull it up. O ya, there is a good way to do it, sure, but that doesn't mean they can do it 24/7 for months on end does it? Obviously not, and the fact that they're in party with metal just tops it off.

And my name is right here on the left. I know 80% of your ls if it was them I would've told someone in it. I don't know you freja and as far as I'm concerned if your in here defending bot players you can kiss my *** as well. I have 0 tolerance for ignorance.

Deny your ignorance if you want, you weren't even aware that fulcar and cellest used to be a married couple, and that's recent.


spare me "But Cellest is an upstanding member of ForHonorAndGlory".
when cellest is really fulcar, and fulcar beat on cellest all the time. Upstanding ? maybe your LS is, don't even try to defend that pos though.

You have eyes, time to start using them.

If you want proof you check skrech & metaldrummer's ffxiah. I bet you'll find an insane ammount of angel skins and comments from random other people about the botting posted before I ever said anything. And ask cellest (Fulcar) himself, that he was in a party with metal fishing for days. Metal even has access to cellest's account as well now.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=416057

How much proof do u need exactly? there's not much to offer other the common sense. And I found this on him AFTER I already figured out he was doing it.

No one stays online 24/7 to fish for months without logging, and once again yes. Your "Upstanding ls member" (fulcar's account) lmao.... was in party with metal almost every night last week in kuftal. Obviously if fulcar and cellest are the same person, and fulcar is in kuftal botting with metal, what does that tell you?
There is a reason why cellest doesn't go around telling everyone fulcar is the same person, and dont you find it odd he didn't ask for a pearl to your ls for his main character? hiding something? maybe? hmm?
Notice I said "his", just a heads up that cellest is a him incase he is trying to act the part that its his wife which its not. no idea if he is doing that but being you didn't even know those 2 chars are the same person its possible. anyway.
Bye.













Edited, Oct 9th 2008 4:55am by Laernu
#11 Oct 09 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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And my name is right here on the left. I know 80% of your ls if it was them I would've told someone in it.

I've never come across a 'Laernu' in this game, Nor do you have an AH history which lead me to the belief that you use a different name on Alla then you do in game.

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I don't know you freja and as far as I'm concerned if your in here defending bot players

In no way am I defending botting nor do I condone it. I do however believe in Innocent until PROVEN guilty. And what you put forth is FAR from proof.

I'm here defending a player that I've chatted with and was a very polite member of my linkshell. I do not play games to form online romance relationships, and therefor what age/sex/location you are doesn't matter in the least bit to me. I don't really care if she is a he so long as they are respectable and polite which I've always found Cellest to be.

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you can kiss my *** as well.

Bend over sweet heart!

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I have 0 tolerance for ignorance.

I have 0 tolerance for people inciting witch hunts and causing bad names for people who MAY not deserve it when you don't even have any evidence to support your claim.

The only thing I see here is Speculation and Hear/say, Both of which are useless to us all. Your claim of proof is the things they sell on the AH? Thats pretty funny, Didn't you just say you were fishing in the same place with the same intent on farming angel skins? So IF your name existed on ffxiah the same as it did here, we wouldn't see the same things being sold? Does that make you a botter too? O wait, You couldn't get any angle skins because these guys were competing with you... and winning. That's the real problem here isn't it, your sick of competition in your farming spots? Get enough people to recognize the name from your thread, then they see them out fishing and call a GM on them, maybe get them banned, so no more competition? I hope your strategy works out for you!
#12 Oct 09 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Default
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Ok your a complete moron and blindly defending someone who is clearly guilty. Maybe if you actually opened you eyes instead of blindy defending someone just cause they are in your LS you'd wake the f up and see it.
You obviously didn't read the whole post. This has nothing to do with you or FHG, therefor piss off.
Seriously, I'll tell you this, cellest/fulcar were both friends of mine for 2 years, and I don't care how nice someone is if I see them botting they can go you know where, so don't preach to me how nice cellest is cause it has nothing to do with it. People don't like being around botters. I have no other reason to have issues with cellest other then botting. You can disbelieve it if you want. I don't waste my time on here just post bs about people, you can check my other posts.

Edited, Oct 9th 2008 1:22pm by Laernu
#13 Oct 09 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Ok your a complete moron and blindly defending someone who is clearly guilty.

"Clearly" LOL, wheres the clarity??? I want to see YOU quote YOUR OWN text, where you PROVE CLEARLY that Cellest is Guilty!!!

I'm Blindly defending a member of my ls that you are blindly accusing of wrong-doing. Sort of ironic don't you think?

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Maybe if you actually opened you eyes instead of blindy defending someone just cause they are in your LS you'd wake the f up and see it.

Clearly our linkshell has more backbone that what your used to, we stick together. Regardless of how well I know Cellest, or how maybe you know him/her better than even I do, It doesn't' change the fact that you haven't mentioned 1 SINGLE piece of evidence to support your accusation.

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You obviously didn't read the whole post. This has nothing to do with you or FHG,

Actually I read every single word of useless blabber you've spit out of that fowl, all mighty, mouth of yours. And not one single bit of it was worth reading unfortunately. However the fact that you posted this thread proves to me that your just some whiny brat that wants his farming spot all to them self. Hate to break it to you but anything worth farming in this game is going to have competition. Welcome to FFXI. Want it to yourself? Go play a single player game and rid of us of your arrogance.

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therefor piss off.

This is a public forum, mind your manners. If you wanted a private audience try your linkshell chatmode or your linkshells personal forums. As it stands you are accusing a member of MY ls and I will stay until I see some proof of your accusations so that action can be taken or until this thread withers into the worthlessness it started with.

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You can disbelieve it if you want.

Believe me, its not that I don't believe you, Its that you've posted NOTHING to make me believe you. At no point did I say there wasn't the possibility that maybe they are a botter. If Cellest is botting AND you can PROVE it, then we're talking a horse of a different color. I would be the first person to action in our linkshell to remedy this situation. The Fact of the matter is you haven't said one thing even worth reading outside of posting a link to Metals AH page with comments from others about being a botter. This in no way implicates Cellest. Even if the comments were made on AH about Cellest, it still doesn't implicate them.

You points about MetalDrummer seem legit, although I do not know them and won't assert my judgment on him/her. In no way have you provided us with ANYTHING except your "word" which seems to be pretty paranoid and therefor lacks intelligence.

Again I put forth that you are doing no different than they are as far as farming goes. Is it that hard to assume others may do the same?
#14 Oct 09 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
I love how im being Karma bombed here as well. /salute to you the mysterious wonder.
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#15 Oct 09 2008 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Here we go. Finally some useful information for this thread.

Laernu = Laerabella
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=1338508

Now heres what I find MOST interesting about what I found...
http://forum.ragezone.com/f111/ffxi-final-fantasy-xi-test-server-up-421456/

How can you honestly come in here saying that people are supposed to follow the ToS when you violate them yourself?

I would give you the benifit of the doubt that Laernu wasn't Laerabella, BUT, you just posted up a nice thread looking for Dynamis Members...

http://www.sirenffxi.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9195

Hmmm. Lets go visit Laera's Dynamis page and see what we can dig up.

http://lumeria.rush.to/

I must say, Im really impressed with the website.

I have to give UnrealDJ some good credit. He's the same guy that helped you test out your 'Test Server' isn't he?

What do you do on your test server? Test new Bots and such before you put them into main stream?

Can't you just go there to do your fishing? At least there you won't have to worry about competition :)

Cheers
~Freja



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first pxi doesn't violate the tos because POL isn't bypassed smart one. And its more of a code learning project more then anything at this point. Has absolutely no tie to botting. Its the equivalent to using altana viewer etc.Wake up. No one uses pxi for anything you mentioned above. If you understood programming youd know that it would be pointless to do what your saying on there, and probley harder.
Even if it did it would be as trivial as windower. Your comparing botting to that? I guess everyone using windower should be banned is what your saying? lol


"You points about MetalDrummer seem legit, although I do not know them and won't assert my judgment on him/her. In no way have you provided us with ANYTHING except your "word" which seems to be pretty paranoid and therefor lacks intelligence."

And i made the same points about the others so whats the difference? They were in a party together in kuftal alot. Thats my point, what exactly did you want to see a screen shot of them in a party together all month?
You said my points were legit then said my points were paranoid and lack intelligence? lmao, seriously take some decaf and listen for once your stubborn as hell and contradicting yourself.

P.S. this isn't laerabella, she runs the dynamis shell. Nice try though :P

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 1:38am by Laernu
#17 Oct 10 2008 at 4:52 AM Rating: Good
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What was I thinking, Your absolutely right. I'm Sure SE loves people creating test servers. I'm sure you didn't have to modify any files to get that to work.

So because your not breaking the rules AS BAD as they are you feel your better than them?

Your arrogance amazes me.

Next time you come in here to preach to us about a player breaking the rules, you should make sure your not breaking the same rules yourself.
#18 Oct 10 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Default
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Um being as YOUR NOT EVEN ON SQUENiX SERVERS when you use it, how does it effect ffxi ToS for their server again? O reverse engineer? like fraps when recording right? windower?
give it up
#19 Oct 10 2008 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I Honestly, Truely, don't care which rules you deem as worthy of your alignment and which you deem not worth worrying about. Nor would I care if you broke other rules as it doesn't affect my game play in the slightest bit.

Yes, File manipulation, Reverse Engineering, Copying the files onto another server, are all violations of the Member Service Agreement regardless of whether you deem them not worth abiding by.

The only thing that bothers me is the quickness of which you are willing to narc out other players when you yourself are willing to break the rules. Judge yourself before you judge others.

This wouldn't have gone as far as it did if you had a little respect for others and not been so selfish and condescending in your responses.

Cheers!
#20 Oct 10 2008 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to clarify. In case this continues.....

I am Laerabella. I was originally Laera on Quetzalcoatl and Sylph. I was away from the game for 9 months and I moved to Siren to join a friend.
Found my current social LS and here I am.
And yes I have been bestowed the honor, by my social LS, of running our new Dynamis-LS.


Laernu, even though very cool name, is not me. But I can say he is one of the smartest guys I know on the Siren server. ^^

'Cheers'
#21Laernu, Posted: Oct 10 2008 at 12:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just to clarify further, it wouldn't have gone this far if you didn't stick your nose in something you thought you were involved with somehow with but weren't.
#22 Oct 10 2008 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Aola returns aka freja.
inb4lock plz lol


Why is his name in this?

Blackpig returns aka Laernu. lol

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Cellest "was" fulcar's wife. And they split up and fulcar didn't give cellest the character back so yes they are the same person. If you didnt know that you don't know "cellest" very well. It's not cellest anymore, and no it was not FHG, I would've remembered if it was you guys. They already got kicked out of the other LS they were in for the same reason as your concern, not wanting association with botters. Zelgodis and Shimara were also removed from the other LS 2 months ago for the same reason, fishing with botter friends days upon days and refused to stop after being asked to do so especially with the other ls pearl on.
Besides you already admited you don't know who fulcar is (cellest). And the botting is being done on fulcar not cellest, but same person. Therefor you wouldn't have been connected by FHG ls because fulcar doesnt have a pearl to it according to you.


Way too much info. Somethings should stay personal. I will agree that the people you are talking about are probably gil farmers, but the way you went about is all wrong.

Tribond pwnz Apocoylps....the end



Edited, Oct 10th 2008 5:21pm by KingTribond
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