Who bought FFXI-appFollow

Not really, since I had a suspicion about basically all of them anyway (well, ranging from a slight hunch to it's obvious as hell)

Its a program that bots everything and there is a list in the general forums with the people that use it from Taj but that's all I can tell you I don't know much about it.

Well, putting aside the whole right-to-privacy thing, it is kind of funny. :) (In fact my main's name, Beldin, appears in the "Unknown" list! O.o) Lord knows I've always been tempted to find a botting application though, especially when I'm fishing for hours and hours on end with only ONE FREAKING +.1 in skill. AAAAAAAAAAH!

Yeah, I love how they are denying it also. The names were taken directly from ffxiapp's database.

Don't let people deny it. The list is dead-on. Yes, my name is on the list. HAYOMG. Truth be told, I used the PL Bot. Never once used it's bullsh*t claiming features, it's that same crap that I despise. I had completely forgotten about FFXIApp over my year gone from the game. My memory was refreshed on Monday, when I received tells from a certain someone about it. The kid who produced the list has been reported to the FBI (By the creator), for four federal offenses. Most people don't even think the site is 100% safe. So, you guys are welcome to think what you will. I was never a "Claim Hacker". NMs, or HNMs have remained 100% legit with me. Heh, hopefully this post doesn't fall on blind eyes, aye? Have a good one, guys!

Eh? O.o. Heh. At the very least, give me some credit for being honest. ;p I've seen some of the peoples posts about it, and them denying they've ever touched it. Meh. The people denying it are probably the worst liars on the face of the earth. I just want to avoid stupid drama. I've already explained in full to most of my friends about it. If you look at the date it was purchased, you'd notice it was around the time before SE ruled IGE with an iron-fist. Gilfarmer bots ran rampant, and things were still insanely high priced (Somewhat of an excuse, and not at the same time). Well, I'd like to take this time to apologize to anyone, who strongly dislikes me because of this. ._. My deepest apologies.

:P

I'm going to offer my perspective on this.

A couple of years ago, releasing a list like this would likely be met with rampant outrage, both from the people being accused of botting (towards the people releasing the list) and the people who saw the list and recognized the names (directed towards the botters).

Now?

Well, SE has been slow to come around but they're starting to get the idea: don't make hundreds of friggin' people compete for a mob on a 24 hour spawn timer for a chance at the gear they need to progress their toon.

Sitting at level 75 for months on end doing the same crap and wearing pretty much the same gear sucks. It's got to be one of the main things that prompted me to leave the game. Boohoo for me, I know, but it's how I feel. I went from one "end-game" shell to the next, but I just didn't have the time to contribute. Every shell seemed to want to farm a full set of Kirin triggers every week, and if you didn't/couldn't show up to each multi-hour farming event, you pretty much had no chance in hell of progressing your gear within any reasonable time frame. Showing up to help on the summoned fights despite not attending the farming was frowned upon.

Notice something missing from this picture?

No ground HNMs, no Sea activities. Those were for botters or the truly hard-core of hard-core end game shells. "Why bother showing up to camp KB when we're just going to get outclaimed by a botter?" was the common reason why end-game for most shells was Sky. (And for a time, it wasn't even all of Sky; it was Genbu, Suzaku, and Seiryu because Ulli was practically unclaimable.)

So let's strip the morality from it for a second, not because morality has no place in these discussions but because it confuses the issue.

The straight up reality on the situation is that you've got hundreds (if not thousands) of players on every server with at least one job on one toon to level 75. With the existance of botters at the HNMs everyone wants (or at least, used to want) to fight means that you have to join them or exclude yourself from even trying. People have beat botters to the claim without using bots themselves, but convincing enough people to show up at these events for hours on the slim (slim) hope that you're going to get the claim is pretty difficult.

It's a simple case of people investing months/years into the game and being excluded from content because their morality dictates that they either jump on the 3rd party bandwagon or they twiddle their thumbs in Aht Urghan while trying to flog stacks of Beehive Chips on auction.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's hardly surprising. I used to be in a linkshell with at least a couple of people listed in the Siren section of that page and ya, I was disappointed to see their names. It is what it is, and it's attributable in at least some part to a content design that can leave you waiting for hours upon hours upon hours over days/weeks/months to take part in content that you are exempted from because you have no reliable way to compete.

I'm not blaming SE's design...as I've said, they've come around and are offering more instanced content for end-game progression in terms of gear, but I do hope SE takes a long, hard look at where they fell down with FFXI when it comes time for them to release their next-gen MMO.

When i read through the list i noticed a few names whom i know, and it doesn't really bother me. I don't camp NM's. People who use PL bots don't bother me, so it didn't really effect me at all.

Although i would like to share a story about one of the people on that list becuase it REALLY makes me laugh. When my static party was in our 30's we were out partying in abnormal places (normal camps were always taken yada yada yada). But we were out skilling up near where a particular NM drops its trigger item (think it was Morion worm if i remember right) But there was a guy who kept running around killing all the worms we were trying to xp on. So we confronted him about it politely asking him if there was something he needed the drop for (because we did not) and he called us Gilfinders (even though we gave him all of the paticular ore he was looking for so he wouldn't kill our xp mobs). He was very Arrogant about the whole thing and becuase of that i'll never forget his name. When i was looking at the list for Siren i noticed the name 'Bungie' and almost fell out of my chair laughing. I think its very funny to see him on that list. Gilfinders are apparently bottom of the barrel, but Botters Are not? Thats a funny set of standards to play by.

Just thought i would share that.

morion worm popped with iron ore from a ??? in korrokola .... guy must have been stupid thinking it would spawn from regualer worms XD

i myself dont have that much time to play anymore. i work graveyards 10 hours a day. and still i see it is gonna be difficult to even get some gears i want for certain jobs. hell i dont think i'll even be able to finish Drg relic >.<

that is what disheartens me about FFXI now a days.my days off i dont really wanna spend hours trying to get help for stuff. i literally can waste hours just trying.

perhaps since theyve added new content maybe make some older content easier to accomplish. idk. hell i still don't have diabolos prime as a summon. got my evokers ring tho lol but Smn i know is gonna sit at 60 until i pick it back up again if ever. it's pretty lame i have 15 levels to go and still no diabolos, only summon i dont have.

as for FFXI-app never knew it existed til now nor what it does.

doesnt suprise me people cheat. one thing i cant stand is ppl who are braggarts in game, specially ones who brag all the time. as far as i know most of them have used cheats to advance. in the end it's just a game. i'm here to try and have fun and accomplish goals.

heck i'm still waiting to get my gambieras back and 300k from someone. if that ever happens.

i just wish more ppl were honest and helpful in game like back when i started playing =/

Instanced.



Instanced as far as I know. I left about the time it was coming out.



Instanced.



Instanced.



Instanced.

Referencing my post:



And no less significantly:



I'd hardly call any of the instanced options to earn gear to be of even modest time commitment. What's more, talk to a monk about their Black Belt woes. Talk to people of various different jobs who invested months upon months trying for abjurations that they had absolutely no chance of getting because the community so heavily frowns upon cheating.

Dynamis was the first instanced environment in FFXI, and even then I knew people who ran Dynamis twice/week for months and never managed to get their hands on a piece of AF2. SE added some instanced environments with CoP, but even then it took until Aht Urghan was released for them to get on the ball with it. And even then it's an enormous time sink. We're speaking in relative terms. Grinding Salvage for a couple dozen hours over time is better than camping KB for 3 hours/day, 1-7 days/week over the course of months and never getting the claim, but it's still a time sink. A very, very large time sink.



Try to keep in mind that a lot of the players listed as having purchased the application had level 75 toons before you even started playing the game. They were running end-game when end-game was ground Kings and Sky and nothing else. Playing the game for years and being denied even an opportunity to wipe on KB is kind of crappy. Perhaps it's specifically because of the expanded instanced content that people are a little more indifferent to who is botting what in old content. The bottom line is that fights like Fafhogg, KB, or Aspid are things a lot of players really, really wanted to do, but because of game mechanics and the presence of botters, they were perpetually excluded from doing so.

If non-instanced end-game content is of no interest to you, neither should it be of concern to you who is botting that content and who isn't. If the idea of a brawl with KB would be of interest to you if it weren't for the fact that you know you'd be competing with botters for the claim, you're starting to understand the periphery of what it was like for those players who finally broke down and did what they had to do to experience the content they had wanted to experience for so very, very long.

Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:19pm by AureliusSir

Exactly, it's about the gear. That's all it ever really is after the first few times you've fought something. Nobody in their right mind is going to farm trigger items for Sky so they can fight Kirin for the 57th time in their illustrious career. They'll do it in the hopes that they'll see the 13th Osode of their career and maybe, just maybe they'll be the one to get it this time.

The quest items for a MNK black belt, for example, only drop from the three 21-24 hour spawn ground HNMs. Can't claim them? Too bad... the rare/ex uber-belt of MNKalicious doom is forever out of your grasp.

Bragging rights to having downed Nidhogg? Not a chance. Unless you (or someone in your LS) is running a bot, that is.

I don't consider KS99s to be reasonable alternatives to ground Kings. For starters, it's 99 friggin' Kindred Seals. I don't care what job you are, 99 Kindred Seals takes hours upon hours upon hours to farm, and then you've got to get 17 other people willing to go in. Then you've got to win the fight. And if you wipe? Get back to the farming.

This is old world content that many, many people (including myself) dreamt of taking part in. By the time I was creeping up on 75, I had a 75 Paladin friend who would relate to me the hours of tedious boredom that went along with camping spawn timers on Fafhogg. By the time his LS got a timer and got organized to go try their luck at the claim, they were beat to it. And this was even before rampant botting at ground HNMs became commonplace.

I don't think I've missed your point. I'm not just talking about being able to get teh uber gearz. I'm talking about being able to experience the content. Not a Fafhogg knockoff in Limbus or a KS99. I'm talking about being part of the linkshell that goes toe-to-toe with Nidhogg's name in brilliant red high above them while 2-3 other combat-ready linkshells look on in slobbering anticipation. I'm talking about trampling the fields of Behemoth's Dominion with a giant, angry, blue demon dog fixing to drop a meteor on your head.

The gear is a part of it too, however. Ridill? Black Belt? SE will be the first to tell you that these are high status items in addition to high performance end-game kit. There was a time when any LS could show up to any of the kings' spawn areas at the right time and have a fighting chance at the claim. It wasn't until botters started showing up that it became a waste of time to even try. The first botters were the real heinous cheaters, not the folks using them simply to level the playing field.

Again, if you're not interested in fighting Nidhogg, be it general disinterest or being satisfied with the other wyrm alternatives, that's great. For the players having invested 3-4 years on the same toon, still not being able to list Nidhogg/KB/Aspid kills as accomplishments is not a hard thing to see as a source of frustration.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. The botting apps they're using give them no advantage in the instanced content anyways.