Price Jacking stories ; ;Follow

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Yep yup, same thing happened to me, well it was going for 70k, then when i had the gil to buy it it jumped to 80-90k.

Raise III, I saw it listed with the most recent being 250k. I was angry but I tried to bid and didn't have enough. I went back a few weeks later and it was 430k, I wasn't angry anymore just horrified, I bought it. Two weeks later I was glad I bought it, it was listed for 800k.

It's gil-seller inflation. Plain and simple. Desperate players are buying gil to meet the outrageous prices that gil sellers are setting on high-demand items like amemit mantles, snipers rings, and the drops from Castle O/Beadeaux/Davoi.

It's not going to stop until RMT is destroyed. If history is any teacher, that's not going to happen very soon.

Everything seems to have gone haywire lately. Even fire crystals are ridiculous, but from the looks of things, it's affecting everything, not just high end items, and not even items that higher level players are farming up to try and afford the high end itmes.

I don't anticipate that we'll be seeing any kind of significant deflation over time, but at least it's good to know that there's money to be made as well as spent on Siren.

Now if only some people would synth up some Venom Dust and put it on AH >.<

Most of those price changes had little to do with the patch(the subject of this thread). The Emp Pin dropped in price before the patch. It's just gone back to what it was.

I realize this has something to do with it and I hope it has a lot more to do with the rising prices than the patch. I just don't see it that way because the huge boosts in prices came after the patch. I don't ever see the market crashing because there is always gil to buy from somewhere. As long as one can buy gil, people will buy it and prices will continue to rise.

The taxes don't effect me all that much either because I quit listing items on the AH in Jeuno unless it's a single item. Any stackable crafting items gets shipped to a mule and listed in the starting cities.

And there have always been a decent supply of crystals in every city. The reason you saw so many Fire Crystals in Bastok prior to the update is mainly because there was no reason for crafters in Jeuno to travel anywhere else to buy crystals. There was not enough difference in the crystal prices between Jeuno and the starting cities to make someone log onto a mule or travel to the starting cities to buy them. Post patch, there are couple of reasons that make it worth the effort to log onto that Bastok mule to buy Fire Crystals: the difference in crystal prices between Jeuno and the starting cities are more pronounced than they were pre update and the supply is lower than what it used to be in Jeuno.



Beetle Jaws did not jump 8k a stack simply because there are more bone crafters. With such a significant jump in price then that would mean there are a lot of people crafting with Beetle Jaws, correct? Then that means there would be an overabundance of the final product which would ultimately cause the prices on the final product to drop significantly because it would take a LOT of crafters to raise the price of Beetle Jaws 8k. How many people are going to pay 14k for a stack of items if there's an over abundance of the finished product on AH? Not many.

It's a combination of reasons that have caused the prices to rise so much: The update, more crafters as you said and the fact that materials can now be used in more crafts. I personally think the new taxes are the main reason items have risen.

And of course you're going to benefit from the update if you're selling those items that have went up a lot due to this update. That's a given. I am the same way. I've found an item that has jumped up 3-5k a stack. But just because we're benefiting from it doesn't mean everyone is benefitting. You, I and everyone else farming mobs that drop items with new high prices do not make up the entire FFXI economy.



I am hardly being selective when I am talking about most items. The items I have selected make the point I am trying to get a cross more clear because there's a bigger gap between what items used to cost before the update and what they cost now. That's part of the point I was making about the gil-sellers controlling the market on certain items. They are a big part of the reason items have gotten out of control. I never said everyone will jack up their prices well above the costs of the new taxes except for the gil-sellers. In fact, I even gave an example that if someone only lists an item 5k above what the item costs before the patch to help recoup the 20k listing fee. While the seller isn't getting all of their gil spent on taxes back, the price has STILL went up. That's the entire point. One doesn't have to list the items to recoup all their losses, just a little bit is all it takes. On crafting items, this is detrimental because it all snowballs into the final product. So if an item costs 20k to list and the seller only lists it for 5k above what the past going rate was, the seller still loses 15k above what he/she should've made and the buyer pays an addition 5k for the item. Sure, this drains gil out of the economy, but as long as there are gil-sellers, it doesn't matter how much gil quits revolving through the economy because people will always buy the gil to pay for something.

Perhaps the Haubergeon has stayed the same, I've never looked into this item, but have you looked at the Hauberk, Hauberk+1 and the Juggernaut? These are items I've paid close attention to before and after the patch because they're items I've wanted. Next time you log on, check the price history of these items before and after the update and then come back and tell me I'm wrong. The Hauberk+1 alone jumped from around 3million to 4.5 million to 6 million. The NQ Hauberk was 1.1 million before the update (I paid 1.17million for mine 2 days after the update) and it's now up to 1.3-1.4 million after the update and it continues to rise.



I never said there was a big plunge in supply. I said people are starting to move items from Jeuno to the starting cities. It's slowly but surely headed to the "big plunge." I've started doing it and so have a lot of other people because I've noticed a decrease in items and and increase in prices.

Perhaps it will all stabilize in the coming weeks and I hope it does. But the new going rate has been established. Right before the economy starts to stabilize, expect a drop in prices on items on the AH. But that drop in prices will still be more than what it was pre-update and it's not only because there are more crafters.

Update: Last Raise III sold for 2mil on Siren.

The story on Archer's Knife - Pre-COP they went for 5k to 8k. Once COP and the Level 30 capped Promy's came out, they leaped to 40k to 50k. They reached an all-time high of 70k before settling in where they currently are, which is still more than triple the pre-COP prices. Demand also flexes according to the price of Dragon's Blood. You'll notice a whole mess of them on the AH at the moment because Dragon's Blood is running 190k, so no high level alchemist are making Hawker's Knifes because they would lose 40k or more per synth.
Meh, I'm a ranger, I tended to watch the prices.

I personally haven't had too much of any issue with this, simply because the items that I sell, also went up in price. But I can see a silver lining to all of this. While many AH prices have risen, players that sell to NPCs are the real losers here, so fish botting is not as profitable as it used to be. Unfortunately though, true fishermen are hurt by this too.

Damn, Aurelius.........

/em bows before Aurelius

Excellent job.

First off, I find your post here incredibly amuzing. Why? Because the night you posted your first post you sent me a /tell in the game saying "I hope my post doesn't offend you" and talking about how you make smartassed comments. I told you I didn't take offense to it and that I'm the sameway when it comes to being a smartass. Well it looks like you can dish it out, but you can't take it and THAT, my friends, is why this is so amuzing, lol. You're nothing more than a 12 year old insult slinging twit that resorts to flaming others when the debate doesn't go your way. But I will grace you with one last reply. After this, you can go play in traffic. Chump.

Anyway.....our tell convo was before you decided to act like a complete condescending @#%^ so please spare your claim to morale superiority.

And in case you haven't noticed. Gil Buyers are greatly responsible for the existence of gil sellers. That why I brought it up. Gil buyers, gil sellers, same problem.



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How does .2% tax justify jumping the price 1.5 million? People are going to charge what they want. "OMG! I have to pay 20K to put to put this up! I'm being raped! I'll jacked the price up 500K!" Sorry, that makes no sense. There are many other market forces you're not considering. The CoP release, the Europeans joining, and the NAs continuing to evolve.
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Either you didn't read my both my posts or your just plain stupid. My gil is on the latter. I've already answered this in my first post. Read, comprehend, post and in that order please. If that doesn't work, then too bad because I'm can't make what I'm saying any more simple than that. And the tax is 1% + 400g on stacked items, 2% +100g on single items in Jeuno.

I read your post. All it was is the same old complaint about gil sellers, etc. and some search in vain for a thought that links it to the patch. Fact is gil sellers have always systematically tried to jack up the prices on items. This is nothing new.

Welcome to yesterday. It cost more pre-patch for low end items. It cost 500 gil to put them up before the patch in Jueno and 440 AFTER the price increase(not much of one). Your argument is shot. So a lower tax in Jueno is causeing a price increase?


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I went to Jeuno not long ago. Fire Crystals were 3500 so I bought a bunch of stacks. Why!?! Because they were 4K in Bastok! If you don't want to believe go on. You can go on bitching and moaning about a patch that seems to be the bane of so many bitchers and moaners.
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Bitching and moaning? Wow, you're a thick one, no? I never once bitched or moaned about anything. I gave MY OPINION on why I think the prices have gone up. Sure there are other reasons and I've never denied that, but I think this update is the main reason for prices jumping. Are there other factors involved? Yes. Did I ever say there weren't? No. Do try to pay attention once in a while.

I'm not gunna mention the Fire Crystals because as you said, "For any antedotal evidense I can find a way to contradict it." (yes, that's a copy and paste). So no matter what, you're going to do whatever it takes to "prove" that you are right.

If the tax was the cause of all the price jacking it would be completely widespread. That's the point. It has nothing to do with the recent increase in items. And yes you are bitching and moaning. It's not like this is the first time I've seen you outright bitch about how much you hate the patch.


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Wind Crystals have hovered around 1500-2000 for almost 6-7 months. WTF does that have to do with the Patch?
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Um, no. They haven't been 1500-2000 for 6-7 months. They have risen since the patch. Period. And they were 2600g last night, 2300g-2500g the two nights before. I'm not saying that's the going rate, but that's well above your 1500-2000g comment and it's a bit above mine from my previous post, too.

Um yes they @#%^ing have. I haven't been living in a bubble having done Woodworking since June. Have a glass of stfu. I just bought a stack of wind crystals at 1.9K. I buy crystal regularly or least check for any bargains on crystal and I've never seen them go beyond 2100. Must be that damn tax.

Clim=Liar


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Explain why beetle jaws jumped 8K in Windurst, because of the measely gil tax you pay there. Don't try to say it's the tax in Jueno because a 150-200 gil tax is not going to do that. Ever think to take a look at how cheap online gil has become? Ever consider the fact that a much larger bulk of the NA community has reached the stage where they actually have gil to spend?
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It costs 400g to list a stack of ANYTHING in Jeuno plus an additional 1% of what you're listing the stack of items for.. So if a stack of Beetle Jaws go for 12k a stack costs 520g to list. Get your facts straight before speaking, m'k?

They were listing at 6-7K a stack(600 for single)sometime before the patch. Netherless what's your point? Before the price increase it would have cost less to put them up in Jueno than pre-patch(460 in Jueno, less than pre-patch), and the tax on low end items in starting cites is barely noticable. Get it? Again even if they were 8-9K the tax would not cause a jump or aid it. READ and COMPREHEND! Why would a drop in the tax cause it to jump 5-6K in cost?

Question: Have you ever sold stacks in Jueno pre-patch?

You're basing your entire arguement on assumptions. I never said the update was the sole reason for these increases, yet you're ranting like I did. I even said it was a number of things. I also said that people will list their items above what the AH taxes are and that will be what starts it all. 520g to list a stack of Beetle Jaws in Jeuno and people took advantage of the confusion on the new taxes. Seller A might list the jaws for 520g to recoup their loses due to the new taxes, and Seller B might list them for 1000g over what they used to cost due to the confusion of the new taxes. This continues for a couple of weeks and the items have a significant jump in price. Is the full 8k jump on these items due to the update alone? No, I never said it was and quit putting words in my mouth. But the update does have something to do with the increase, but how much of a factor the update was will never be known. Got it now? Or am I going to have to spell it out even more?

No, because your reasoning does not work in reality. You're searching in vain for an explaination for these price fluctuations and they fact is there are far too many factors to consider. The tax in no way causes these kind of increases on their own.


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Are you a dumb ass? I rather punch myself in the balls than farm for beetle jaws. I rarely kill things to make gil.
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Same here. Your balls, not mine.

What's wrong your little come back there fall flat on it's face? Yeah thought so. STFU


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<sarcasm>OMFG! No way! I have NEVER seen an item jump 500K before the patch! I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN ITEM INCREASE IN VALUE BEFORE THIS GODFORSAKEN PATCH!<sarcasm>
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Avoid the subject all you want, the increase has steadily risen after the patch when it was pretty damn stable before the patch. Check the price history and prove yourself wrong.

Market economies don't stay stable forever. Get over it.


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Fact is it was there on an item selling every single day which is a far bigger deal than something that only sell 2-3 times a week. Many times you won't see the items you're talking about on the AH at all. It was at 650K and could have gone higher easily. Take a look at other servers where the economies went to hell and snipers were selling for 1 million consistantly. Prices fluctuate. They aren't going to stay where their at forever. They will rise and fall.
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And since when has the Hauberk been an items that sells only 2-3 times a week? Um, never. Try 2-4 times a day. And other servers don't matter. We're not "other servers."

I was referring to things like Juggernaut. I think that would be quite obvious. I'm sorry if you're so centered arounf the price of one item in your thought process.


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I didn't buy a Hauberk. Congratulations! You're argument is shot. And no the item I bought (if you can try to remember) was consistently selling at that rate at the time.
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My argument is not shot just because you didn't buy the Hauberk. The Hauberk has still went up in price (and is still going up) whether you bought it or not. There's no denying this. I've given items to where anyone can go search the price history that gives specific dates to prove that what I say has happened. All we get from you is your word which is not good enough. And I believe the Haubergeon was up to 1.2-1.3 mill now. I checked it the other day but didn't pay much attention to it. I'll check it again tonight. Regardless, you saying that it dropped to 1.1 million means nothing to me because your word means squat in my eyes after your "I can find a way to contradict it" statement. I've given items to where ANYONE can chack for themselves and you're giving us your "trust me" statement. Trust you? Yeah, get bent.

I watched the Haubergeon the entire 2 months I was saving for it and it was always in the 1.35-1.4 range. Please go back to your fairy tale land where it never went above 1.2 Mill.

Aren't you one bitter little rat.....


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WRONG! They were listing the entire week BEFORE the patch on many high priced items. And what you descibed is panic. Another example "Hello 300-350 Sniper Rings." Haubergeon went from 1.4 Mill to 1.1 Mill. Right now Haubergeon is consistently at 1.2-1.25 mill.

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No the Sniper's Rings did not, lol. They were 400k pre-patch and they're what? 450-500k now? And why the hell would someone list their items for cheaper BEFORE the update? That makes absolutely zero sense. Anyone with half a brain knew to list their items for more than the going rate BEFORE the update because they wouldn't have to pay the huge taxes. Listing them for cheaper while the taxes are basically nil is asinine. What I described is not "panic" lol. Do you even know what "panic" is in the business world? I'm not talking about giving your lunch money to the middle school bully either.

You are either lying out your ass or are completely ignorant of what was going on lol They dropped to 300-350K the week before the patch because everyone and their mother was trying to get rid of them. Why because they were all assuming some acc ring was going to come and de-value the ring. It wasn't because of the @#%^ing tax. You say it's asinine, but it happened. Sorry if that doesn't happen to fit into your pre-conceived notions of what should happen before the patch.



The difference is, mine is warranted. Yours is not. I've offered proof to where ANYONE can go and check the price history. You've offered "Trust me." Again, get bent.

What proof? You have none zero nada. The prices are up on Hauberk and that relates to the patch because........right you have no proof other than the jump happened sometime after the patch.



My little obsession? WTH are you talking about? What I've offered has steadily climbed in price. If you can't see that then I suggest you take a trip to your local optometrist... or proctologist to have him remove your head from your backside.

What I see is a stable selling history on the hauberk. It could drop, it could rise but it's not steadily rising.

More cute little little insults. Whatever man the fact that you're still complaining about this patch says enough.



You say the Haubergeon is going down, but I don't believe you. You will, after all, "find a way to contradict it" if I say said anything against that your claim that the Haubergeon has went up.

you know you can only use that quote so many times before you start looking like a little bitch.

I don't care either way. The new taxes hurt the game more than it helps and that's the entire point of what I'm saying. The items cost more to list, which drives up the price, which causes the buyer to have to pay more while the seller gets less. The rich will stay rich and the rest will continue to stay where they are unless they want to farm for weeks on end.

Again proof. You're warped reasoning is not proof. A price history showing a rise in cost is not proof.



Whatever you think. You've got your mind made up that you know WTF you're talking about. Fact is, the price of the Hauberk didn't starting rising steadily until after the update. Coincidence? I think not when there are many other items doing the samething.

Items drop and rise together all the time. You just noticed this more because you have this fear the tax is going to destoy FFXI.



I know this kind of thing happens all the time. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I have taken all this into consideration, but what is happening now is not the samething.

Why?




I've explained it all before. If you want to see it, go read my other posts. I'm not going to explain it to your worthless hide again because you're not worth the effort. If you could actually sit down and have a rational debate about something instead of calling people dumbasses then perhaps I'd have some sympathy for your uneducated ass. But slinging insults only serves to piss people off and I don't have the time for it. If you want to flame and called people dumbasses, fine, by my guest. But I'm not going to waste anymore time on the likes of you. I've proved my point and anyone that wants to check the items out for themselves can do so and all you offer us is your word. Those two infamous words are coming back to mind again... oh, what were they? Oh yeah! "Get" and "Bent."

Blah blah blah yadda yadda. Skimmed through that since it was looking like some diatribe about how you're a much better person than me. I read your posts and I say you're full of it.

Not only are you bitter you're also lame.

Edited, Tue Jan 18 10:02:09 2005 by DieselEdge

You are taking this way too seriously, but you have a history of doing that. Someone rubs you the wrong way, and you write a book about how you're being screwed over.

I may have been confrontive in my tone, but that is all. You're the one who has completely gone off the deep end and has completely relied on ad hominem attacks. You also have a history of resorting to condescending posts like your posts here. The "You'd get your ass kicked in real life" comment is real cute. Such a ridiculous statement I just smiled at the screen. Thanks for the laugh. Whatever floats your boat. You have completely avoided the argument that I placed before you, resorting to outright lying and silly grand standing.

To tell you the truth, I will forget what exactly you said before I finished typing this. That's about as much as I care about what someone types about me, personally, over the internet. I'm the same way in real life. Very forgiving to a fault and not one to hold a grudge(not for an extended period of time :p). Believe it or not I still hold some respect for your exploits as a Bst and gil seller agitator.

Netherless the smartest person here is Aurelius.

Edited, Tue Jan 18 22:56:21 2005 by DieselEdge