First off, I find your post here incredibly amuzing. Why? Because the night you posted your first post you sent me a /tell in the game saying "I hope my post doesn't offend you" and talking about how you make smartassed comments. I told you I didn't take offense to it and that I'm the sameway when it comes to being a smartass. Well it looks like you can dish it out, but you can't take it and THAT, my friends, is why this is so amuzing, lol. You're nothing more than a 12 year old insult slinging twit that resorts to flaming others when the debate doesn't go your way. But I will grace you with one last reply. After this, you can go play in traffic. Chump.
How does .2% tax justify jumping the price 1.5 million? People are going to charge what they want. "OMG! I have to pay 20K to put to put this up! I'm being raped! I'll jacked the price up 500K!" Sorry, that makes no sense. There are many other market forces you're not considering. The CoP release, the Europeans joining, and the NAs continuing to evolve.
Either you didn't read my both my posts or your just plain stupid. My gil is on the latter. I've already answered this in my first post. Read, comprehend, post and in that order please. If that doesn't work, then too bad because I'm can't make what I'm saying any more simple than that. And the tax is 1% + 400g on stacked items, 2% +100g on single items in Jeuno.
I went to Jeuno not long ago. Fire Crystals were 3500 so I bought a bunch of stacks. Why!?! Because they were 4K in Bastok! If you don't want to believe go on. You can go on ******** and moaning about a patch that seems to be the bane of so many ******** and moaners.
******** and moaning? Wow, you're a thick one, no? I never once ******* or moaned about anything. I gave MY OPINION on why I think the prices have gone up. Sure there are other reasons and I've never denied that, but I think this update is the main reason for prices jumping. Are there other factors involved? Yes. Did I ever say there weren't? No. Do try to pay attention once in a while.
I'm not gunna mention the Fire Crystals because as you said, "For any antedotal evidense I can find a way to contradict it." (yes, that's a copy and paste). So no matter what, you're going to do whatever it takes to "prove" that you are right.
Wind Crystals have hovered around 1500-2000 for almost 6-7 months. WTF does that have to do with the Patch?
Um, no. They haven't been 1500-2000 for 6-7 months. They have risen since the patch. Period. And they were 2600g last night, 2300g-2500g the two nights before. I'm not saying that's the going rate, but that's well above your 1500-2000g comment and it's a bit above mine from my previous post, too.
Explain why beetle jaws jumped 8K in Windurst, because of the measely gil tax you pay there. Don't try to say it's the tax in Jueno because a 150-200 gil tax is not going to do that. Ever think to take a look at how cheap online gil has become? Ever consider the fact that a much larger bulk of the NA community has reached the stage where they actually have gil to spend?
It costs 400g to list a stack of ANYTHING in Jeuno plus an additional 1% of what you're listing the stack of items for.. So if a stack of Beetle Jaws go for 12k a stack costs 520g to list. Get your facts straight before speaking, m'k?
You're basing your entire arguement on assumptions. I never said the update was the sole reason for these increases, yet you're ranting like I did. I even said it was a number of things. I also said that people will list their items above what the AH taxes are and that will be what starts it all. 520g to list a stack of Beetle Jaws in Jeuno and people took advantage of the confusion on the new taxes. Seller A might list the jaws for 520g to recoup their loses due to the new taxes, and Seller B might list them for 1000g over what they used to cost due to the confusion of the new taxes. This continues for a couple of weeks and the items have a significant jump in price. Is the full 8k jump on these items due to the update alone? No, I never said it was and quit putting words in my mouth. But the update does have something to do with the increase, but how much of a factor the update was will never be known. Got it now? Or am I going to have to spell it out even more?
Are you a dumb ***? I rather punch myself in the balls than farm for beetle jaws. I rarely kill things to make gil.
Same here. Your balls, not mine.
<sarcasm>OMFG! No way! I have NEVER seen an item jump 500K before the patch! I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN ITEM INCREASE IN VALUE BEFORE THIS GODFORSAKEN PATCH!<sarcasm>
Avoid the subject all you want, the increase has steadily risen after the patch when it was pretty **** stable before the patch. Check the price history and prove yourself wrong.
Fact is it was there on an item selling every single day which is a far bigger deal than something that only sell 2-3 times a week. Many times you won't see the items you're talking about on the AH at all. It was at 650K and could have gone higher easily. Take a look at other servers where the economies went to **** and snipers were selling for 1 million consistantly. Prices fluctuate. They aren't going to stay where their at forever. They will rise and fall.
And since when has the Hauberk been an items that sells only 2-3 times a week? Um, never. Try 2-4 times a day. And other servers don't matter. We're not "other servers."
I didn't buy a Hauberk. Congratulations! You're argument is shot. And no the item I bought (if you can try to remember) was consistently selling at that rate at the time.
My argument is not shot just because you didn't buy the Hauberk. The Hauberk has still went up in price (and is still going up) whether you bought it or not. There's no denying this. I've given items to where anyone can go search the price history that gives specific dates to prove that what I say has happened. All we get from you is your word which is not good enough. And I believe the Haubergeon was up to 1.2-1.3 mill now. I checked it the other day but didn't pay much attention to it. I'll check it again tonight. Regardless, you saying that it dropped to 1.1 million means nothing to me because your word means squat in my eyes after your "I can find a way to contradict it" statement. I've given items to where ANYONE can chack for themselves and you're giving us your "trust me" statement. Trust you? Yeah, get bent.
WRONG! They were listing the entire week BEFORE the patch on many high priced items. And what you descibed is panic. Another example "Hello 300-350 Sniper Rings." Haubergeon went from 1.4 Mill to 1.1 Mill. Right now Haubergeon is consistently at 1.2-1.25 mill.
No the Sniper's Rings did not, lol. They were 400k pre-patch and they're what? 450-500k now? And why the **** would someone list their items for cheaper BEFORE the update? That makes absolutely zero sense. Anyone with half a brain knew to list their items for more than the going rate BEFORE the update because they wouldn't have to pay the huge taxes. Listing them for cheaper while the taxes are basically nil is asinine. What I described is not "panic" lol. Do you even know what "panic" is in the business world? I'm not talking about giving your lunch money to the middle school bully either.
I don't care what you SAY you saw. There I used your own little stategy against you.
The difference is, mine is warranted. Yours is not. I've offered proof to where ANYONE can go and check the price history. You've offered "Trust me." Again, get bent.
Oh no! Your little obsession has gone up in price! I remember seeing Hauberk go from 1.2-1.3 and dance a little above that. It was 1.38 last I checked from 1.4 mill. That's a 20K drop. NOW! Hello scarcity it jumps to 1.5 mil. Not because ppl are selling in Windurst. Not because of 10-20K tax. Because it was the only one in stock.
My little obsession? WTH are you talking about? What I've offered has steadily climbed in price. If you can't see that then I suggest you take a trip to your local optometrist... or proctologist to have him remove your head from your backside.
Let's take a look at Haubergeon...........hmmmmm it appears to be selling for 1.2 to 1.250 mil. That's lower than anything I've seen since the patch start when everyone was trying to dump their stuff. There are currently 4 in stock.
So why is Hauberk going up but Haubergeon is going down?
<sarcasm>It must be the tax!<sarcasm>
You say the Haubergeon is going down, but I don't believe you. You will, after all, "find a way to contradict it" if I say said anything against that your claim that the Haubergeon has went up. I don't care either way. The new taxes hurt the game more than it helps and that's the entire point of what I'm saying. The items cost more to list, which drives up the price, which causes the buyer to have to pay more while the seller gets less. The rich will stay rich and the rest will continue to stay where they are unless they want to farm for weeks on end.
What it actually is you have a bunch of people selling their Haubergeons and buying Hauberk. When someone buys a Hauberk, it's very likely that's the best armore they're ever goign to have unless they get EXTREMELY lucky. They aren't going to sell it.
Hello Haubergeon price drop.
Hello, Hauberk increase.
Whatever you think. You've got your mind made up that you know WTF you're talking about. Fact is, the price of the Hauberk didn't starting rising steadily until after the update. Coincidence? I think not when there are many other items doing the samething.
When I reached lvl 54 I watch within week RK breeches go from 50K to 90K(hit 100K for a bit) and stay in that range for a month. I waited and eventually it cme down to 75K. This kind of thing happens all the time[/quote]
I know this kind of thing happens all the time. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I have taken all this into consideration, but what is happening now is not the samething.
[quote]I have the price histories I mentioned above. WTF do you have? The fact that a Hauberk +1 which is extremely rare jumped in price? Please explain to me how a 20 gil tax results in 1K jump in the cost on an item. Are you aware it's cheaper to list Fire Crystals in Jueno NOW than it did before the patch?[/quote]
I've explained it all before. If you want to see it, go read my other posts. I'm not going to explain it to your worthless hide again because you're not worth the effort. If you could actually sit down and have a rational debate about something instead of calling people dumbasses then perhaps I'd have some sympathy for your uneducated ***. But slinging insults only serves to **** people off and I don't have the time for it. If you want to flame and called people dumbasses, fine, by my guest. But I'm not going to waste anymore time on the likes of you. I've proved my point and anyone that wants to check the items out for themselves can do so and all you offer us is your word. Those two infamous words are coming back to mind again... oh, what were they? Oh yeah! "Get" and "Bent."
EDIT: Meh, tried to fix the quotes twice and it's not working and I'm done trying to fix it. It comes out fine on "preview" but it screws up when I post. Edited, Mon Jan 17 20:12:06 2005 by Climhazard