Warning about BobbygunzFollow

He is a Lvl 68 Blm currently. This goes merely beyond a /blist jerkface post. This is a warning to everyone to prevent you from incurring losses, and rpevent him from stealing from you.

He and I (Vlan) are the 2 main active bcnmer's. First met him as a rival, and found him to be rather arrogant (annoying, but not worth blisting or anyhting). Both our groups have static players, and bring in new people for orbs (he has blm, brd, mnk; I have brd and mnk). Recently though I started hearing complaints from a few people who were bcnming with my group about him. BAsically, he doesn't give the orb givers their cut, he scams them, takes the drops, says he's going to sell them and deliver gil, then doesn't. He's already been kicked out of KOTR for this kind of behavior, and I'm not sure of his current LS but I would like to talk with their leader.

I've received 4 complaints about him so far, though the only name I can remember is Gotroce. Please if you have any information on Bobbygunz Ls or have been cheated by him make it known here.

Bobbygunz has an extremely poor reputation that precedes him.

I don't know that I've ever talked to him, but all I've heard about him is negative.

The only person I've met who spoke well of him was someone who recommended a shady BCNM proposition, and when I told him I didn't feel comfortable about it, he said, "Bobbygunz does it all the time and makes tons of gil."

(the "scam" involved whoring ourselves out as BCNM mercenaries and taking 60% of the drop value, even though nobody other than the victim would ever be expected to trade an orb).

That may sound like a great idea if you get a valuable drop, but if the drop sucks (like it can often do), the orb trader gets a few k gil for their contribution, with no chance to balance it out by sharing orbs with the rest of the group.

yea I definantly got screwed on the gil from the drops. I thought when we went that everyone who was fighting would bring an orb. I would suggest just no one do a bcnm with him unless he donates an orb. He probably doesn't even have any more beastmen seals by now to get orbs for these fights.

All in all I wouldn't recommend that anyone play with him...I had him on my blist for a little while but then took him off because I couldn't remember why he was there. After doing the bcnm I remembered why he got put on the list in the firstplace.

Wtf are you all talking about? I did a few BCNM's with him a week or 2 ago, and got my fair share I like to think, 70k for 3 fights? better then the one where i barely, made 10k because of my orbs crappy drops. You risk you're high price item, just in case your orb doesnt get any good drops. I'd much rather have everyone gets their fair cut, better then one lucky bastard getting both erase and utsemi. And he does send the gil, it does take a few days to sell the items you know.

I'm a 60 bard and I do bcnm 40 fights frequently, was actually doing the battle bk got junk on :-/ I share treasure the following way: Your orb you get 1 item guaranteed, basically rewards the orb person with usually a high priced item. Remaining stuff can be lotted on by everyone. I do it this way, because if you share all high priced items evenly, jerks won't use their orb at all (ie juniorr) because they are greedy punks.

I also do it this way because I've been out of seals for months now and I'd feel bad taking a cut from someone's erase scroll when all I did was show up for the battle when that person went threw the hard work of acquiring the seals necessary for the orb.

Sharing loot is fine in all linkshell parties, but most of the bcnm I do are random invite groups and when treasure is split evenly people won't use their orbs. I got sick of people not using their orbs, so I switched to your orb, your probably gonna get rich approach. Bkbuster got hosed on his orb, but it generally pays off for whoever provides the orb.

FYI: I have survived a steamed sprouts battle and won where I DCed. I log back in and its utter chaos. everyone is in red/orange, I run over to the mandies and horde them and save the day. This actually happened on bk's orb.

What I find most annoying about him (other than him cheating people) is that he titles himself the bcnm master, when most people I've talked to say that I am (well more specifically I'm known as "The sh*t!" but it has the same meaning.

For all you people in Merlins MAgic, Conarc can vouch for my skills.

Obviously lvl 1 in English and Grammar.

I too was ripped off on gil, we fought 6 times.

Erase dropped 5 times (i know cuz i jotted all the items down), the deal is they split it 6 ways.... thats a load of crap. Well it didnt really matter to me anyways cause i use that time for experience. I knew i was gonna get jipped somehow.

Well i now run it w/my LS & we run it smoothly. we still need a steady BRD, but oh well nothings perfect.




Edited, Tue Nov 9 10:16:23 2004 by Crowefm

I once got invited on a BCNM 40 with him, and it was fairly enjoyable. He seemed to divide up the earnings equally. I even put him on my my friend list (i don't really talk to him though), so this kinda comes as a shock. He did brag about his record with this when he asked me, but then again, if it's true, is it really bragging?

I'm not passing judgement in anyway, but here is how the system works:

Bobbygunz has a 3 man team, including himself. These three teammates are what he uses to guarentee his victory, which is why he has a stipulation on jobs that he'll take with him. He is BLM and i know he has a BRD that always goes with him and one other.

So Bobby takes his 2 friends, and 3 people who are looking to make some money off BCNM and goes and beats it. 100% guarenteed win, as it should be, since he does this perpetually. He's good at it. Top notch. If anyone can guarentee a win, he definately can.

Here is the catch, the loot from each orb is divided evenly 6 ways, rounded down to the nearest 1000 becuase it costs money to put the stuff on the AH. So yes, you get your "cut" from the orbs and its exactly 1/6th of the earnings, so he doesn't screw anyone in this way, by shorting gil. Where the controversy comes in, is that he and his other 2 teammates do not supply an orb. So, that means that each orb user is getting 1/6 the money he would get had it been "his orb his loot" rules. So, techincally, at the end of 3 orb runs, each person who supplied an orb walks away with maybe ~50% of what they should be walking away with, and Bobby and his team walks away with pure profit becuase they didn't put anything but time into winning.

The way to make the bobbygunz strategy fair would be if all 6 people bring orbs, or if its "your orb your drop" and Bobby and his team is payed a flat rate not dependant upon what is dropped.

Many people don't like the method he uses, becuase its tricky in how its setup. Many who are naive, or haven't done BCNM before, or who have lost enough to think any sort of cash is a victory, get caught up in this and don't realize that they should be making much much more than they are, and could with a different team using 6 seals.

Bukuujutsu I'm not going to be paranoid, but you have 1 post, it seems awfully likely that you are a puppet.

The fact is that there are numerous people here (and in game) who would suppor tthe accusation that he has cheated them, and also that they win about so-so, I've raised a few of his party members once, the he and his static escaped out of the fight.

I have never played with him (and from the stories hope I never will). All I can go on is the numerous complaints against him. The only people who seem to support him on this site and sirenffxi.com are people with under 20 posts (possible puppets) and his static members. Though it seems everyone else who has pt'd with him in bcnm40 has something bad to say about him, either that they lost or that they didn't receive their gil.

If you wanted to do bcnm40 with some sure-win bards I know a couple of people. Samwise has a very good record, Whapi seems to have one as well, and I seem to be the current fad (I don't know if I'm any better than the rest of them, but I've recently been getting a lot of hype, though I'vce stopped doing as much do to school). All 3 of these choices, along with any bard you know and trust would probably be a better way to go than bobbygunz.

Um... lol. Bukuu isn't a "puppet". He's a 75 pld.. leader of RequiemHunters, the HNM division of Requiem, and fairly well known and respected..

I have no comment on the situation other than that, really. Bobbygunz method may not be "fair" to some people, but he does make it clear how loot will be divided. If you don't like it, you don't have to BCNM with him - but that doesn't make him dishonest or a "cheater" in any way, lol. He runs a business, of course he's going to want to make profit. This isn't some pick-up BCNM group. You take a possible cut in profit in return for a guarenteed win with an experienced group of players. For lower leveled players without alot of avenues to make money or alot of experienced people to BC with, I don't see how this is a bad opportunity. You're basically guarenteed a win, you make a nice share of loot, and you get to have a successful experience in the BC so you can do it with your own pts in the future. Obviously higher levels with more connections have better options, but for some people the service Bobby provides is a nice opportunity.

But then again I stopped paying attention to your post really once you said "Bobbygunz proclaims himself as the BCNM master but many people said that I'm that I'm the BCNM master, not him!!11omglolz!" Sorry, screams petty, stupid trash talking rivalry to me.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 15:16:33 2004 by Phrynia

"Bukuujutsu I'm not going to be paranoid, but you have 1 post, it seems awfully likely that you are a puppet."


If you don't know who bukuujutsu is then you must be a noob.

BCNM is easy, if you want to do the giddeus battle send me a tell. I charge a flat 10k per battle, and don't hose people like bobbygunz does.

Thats why the thread was created. I did BCNM 40 with both Bobby and Vlan. As a matter of fact, did BCNM 40 with Vlan before he/she started a business on it.

Both ppl know what they're doing. Bobby doesn't hide anything and i personally don't blame him for the stupid n00bs that can't pay attention to how he does things before they agree to it.

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On a related note, you'd do well to stay away from Bobbygunz' linkshell, KnightsOfTheRound.

Their membership appears to include the infamous Brood crew. Low standards notwithstanding, I'd stay away from any LS who includes mpk'ing gilsellers in their roster -_-;
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Umm dude stfu... i am in KnightsOfTheRound and we dont support anythign that bobbygunz did... we dont have any gill sellers and we kicked out bobby for what he did please do not bring our ls in to this