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#1 Oct 28 2004 at 11:43 PM Rating: Good
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He is a Lvl 68 Blm currently. This goes merely beyond a /blist jerkface post. This is a warning to everyone to prevent you from incurring losses, and rpevent him from stealing from you.

He and I (Vlan) are the 2 main active bcnmer's. First met him as a rival, and found him to be rather arrogant (annoying, but not worth blisting or anyhting). Both our groups have static players, and bring in new people for orbs (he has blm, brd, mnk; I have brd and mnk). Recently though I started hearing complaints from a few people who were bcnming with my group about him. BAsically, he doesn't give the orb givers their cut, he scams them, takes the drops, says he's going to sell them and deliver gil, then doesn't. He's already been kicked out of KOTR for this kind of behavior, and I'm not sure of his current LS but I would like to talk with their leader.

I've received 4 complaints about him so far, though the only name I can remember is Gotroce. Please if you have any information on Bobbygunz Ls or have been cheated by him make it known here.
#2 Oct 29 2004 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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He's hated in MerlinsMagic, I hear stuff about him all the time.

He's definately not a favorite of the Siren community.
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#3 Oct 29 2004 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Bobbygunz has an extremely poor reputation that precedes him.

I don't know that I've ever talked to him, but all I've heard about him is negative.

The only person I've met who spoke well of him was someone who recommended a shady BCNM proposition, and when I told him I didn't feel comfortable about it, he said, "Bobbygunz does it all the time and makes tons of gil."

(the "scam" involved whoring ourselves out as BCNM mercenaries and taking 60% of the drop value, even though nobody other than the victim would ever be expected to trade an orb).

That may sound like a great idea if you get a valuable drop, but if the drop sucks (like it can often do), the orb trader gets a few k gil for their contribution, with no chance to balance it out by sharing orbs with the rest of the group.
#4 Oct 30 2004 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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lol im glad all that **** got from my orb was death haahahahahah. anyways, yeah, bobby has the mentality of a child
#5 Oct 30 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
yea I definantly got screwed on the gil from the drops. I thought when we went that everyone who was fighting would bring an orb. I would suggest just no one do a bcnm with him unless he donates an orb. He probably doesn't even have any more beastmen seals by now to get orbs for these fights.

All in all I wouldn't recommend that anyone play with him...I had him on my blist for a little while but then took him off because I couldn't remember why he was there. After doing the bcnm I remembered why he got put on the list in the firstplace.
#6 Oct 30 2004 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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wow thanks very much man... I'm due to go on a BCNM with him later this week, I might just cancel. thanks for posting this as I'm naive and new to BCNM and its rules etc so I could've been taken advantage of, as it were.
thanks a lot man

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#7 Oct 31 2004 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Wtf are you all talking about? I did a few BCNM's with him a week or 2 ago, and got my fair share I like to think, 70k for 3 fights? better then the one where i barely, made 10k because of my orbs crappy drops. You risk you're high price item, just in case your orb doesnt get any good drops. I'd much rather have everyone gets their fair cut, better then one lucky ******* getting both erase and utsemi. And he does send the gil, it does take a few days to sell the items you know.
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#8 Oct 31 2004 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent
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BKbuster, so let me see if im understanding this.

3 person BCNM
everyone brings a orb

Person 1 - Get Erase drop
Person 2 - Get Erase drop
My orb - Get crap drop

Because my orb got a crap drop i get less gil than the other two people?

What kind of BS is that?
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#9 Oct 31 2004 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a 60 bard and I do bcnm 40 fights frequently, was actually doing the battle bk got junk on :-/ I share treasure the following way: Your orb you get 1 item guaranteed, basically rewards the orb person with usually a high priced item. Remaining stuff can be lotted on by everyone. I do it this way, because if you share all high priced items evenly, jerks won't use their orb at all (ie juniorr) because they are greedy punks.

I also do it this way because I've been out of seals for months now and I'd feel bad taking a cut from someone's erase scroll when all I did was show up for the battle when that person went threw the hard work of acquiring the seals necessary for the orb.

Sharing loot is fine in all linkshell parties, but most of the bcnm I do are random invite groups and when treasure is split evenly people won't use their orbs. I got sick of people not using their orbs, so I switched to your orb, your probably gonna get rich approach. Bkbuster got hosed on his orb, but it generally pays off for whoever provides the orb.

FYI: I have survived a steamed sprouts battle and won where I DCed. I log back in and its utter chaos. everyone is in red/orange, I run over to the mandies and horde them and save the day. This actually happened on bk's orb.
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#10 Oct 31 2004 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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There's a lot on the line and it takes lots of collecting to get a good deal of beastman seals. I've done BCNM 40 several times but never lead one. I was lucky enough to find myself a BCNM party that I could trust and we all worked well together. I'd like to try it with linkshell folks one day.

Bobbygunz, I don't really know him so I can't pass judgement. I have heard that he's not particularly fond of my linkshell, Merlinsmagic but I'm not sure what it is about nor why he would have a problem with it. I try at least a bit to seperate myself from what I have no business dealing with.

Thank you for the warning, though.
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#11 Nov 01 2004 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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What I find most annoying about him (other than him cheating people) is that he titles himself the bcnm master, when most people I've talked to say that I am (well more specifically I'm known as "The ****!" but it has the same meaning.

For all you people in Merlins MAgic, Conarc can vouch for my skills.
#12 Nov 03 2004 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I ript him the other day whit a friend.
we made bets whit /random on him.
and we didint understood how he could win 15 times in a row hhmm.
so we decided to make a 100k bet, dang we lost again and decided to log out.
well later we came back and he said, he got timing and pic on us cheating him and my friend said w/e man just let the ****, GM`s dont care about this, but i was hm just in case let me make new bet whit him so i offered my dark staff and gluttory sword against his 200k.
and dang i finelly won, and ript the **** for 200k
he said he will report my friend but nothing have happend yet.
so guys nuke him on a roll his a gambler and does pay.
make big amounts of gamble if you lose just log out.
GM`s dont care about this, all they say is sorry gambling is your problem.

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#13 Nov 03 2004 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Obviously lvl 1 in English and Grammar.
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#14 Nov 03 2004 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
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First of all im not English or American.
so drop the hole attitude beeing rude.
even i dont doupt you good doing that.

and 2 that guy asked me if i had any orb`s.
so i could join his PT and i would get 80k.
so i dont see anything wrong ripping him.

And try not to be so racist against people that is not, english or american.
#15 Nov 05 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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I too was ripped off on gil, we fought 6 times.

Erase dropped 5 times (i know cuz i jotted all the items down), the deal is they split it 6 ways.... thats a load of crap. Well it didnt really matter to me anyways cause i use that time for experience. I knew i was gonna get jipped somehow.

Well i now run it w/my LS & we run it smoothly. we still need a steady BRD, but oh well nothings perfect.




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#16 Nov 07 2004 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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he's tried to get me to play with him several times and his motto when he is trying to sell you is "I gurantee victory". Claims he's beat it over 100 times now. I know people who have bcnm'd with him and received 200K back for 2 orbs essentially, and claim hes pretty good at bcnm40 in any event. He is certainly arrogant and unapologetic about trying to put things in his favor. He was bragging about his uber gear and how he was going to buy Morion+1s soon. I first met him in a ruinous allaince to the Emptiness where he was leader in name bt not in actions.
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#17 Nov 08 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I once got invited on a BCNM 40 with him, and it was fairly enjoyable. He seemed to divide up the earnings equally. I even put him on my my friend list (i don't really talk to him though), so this kinda comes as a shock. He did brag about his record with this when he asked me, but then again, if it's true, is it really bragging?
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#18 Nov 09 2004 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Crowefum, I'd be willing to help you out, in game name is kicks. After losing my first four bcnm fights, I've since won 48/50. One loss due to me losing my connection, and the second due to a newb that ran up and got agro before anyone was ready. This battle is easy gil with an experienced bard. Currently 62 bard / 31 whm, woot hit 62 last night!
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#19 Nov 12 2004 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not passing judgement in anyway, but here is how the system works:

Bobbygunz has a 3 man team, including himself. These three teammates are what he uses to guarentee his victory, which is why he has a stipulation on jobs that he'll take with him. He is BLM and i know he has a BRD that always goes with him and one other.

So Bobby takes his 2 friends, and 3 people who are looking to make some money off BCNM and goes and beats it. 100% guarenteed win, as it should be, since he does this perpetually. He's good at it. Top notch. If anyone can guarentee a win, he definately can.

Here is the catch, the loot from each orb is divided evenly 6 ways, rounded down to the nearest 1000 becuase it costs money to put the stuff on the AH. So yes, you get your "cut" from the orbs and its exactly 1/6th of the earnings, so he doesn't ***** anyone in this way, by shorting gil. Where the controversy comes in, is that he and his other 2 teammates do not supply an orb. So, that means that each orb user is getting 1/6 the money he would get had it been "his orb his loot" rules. So, techincally, at the end of 3 orb runs, each person who supplied an orb walks away with maybe ~50% of what they should be walking away with, and Bobby and his team walks away with pure profit becuase they didn't put anything but time into winning.

The way to make the bobbygunz strategy fair would be if all 6 people bring orbs, or if its "your orb your drop" and Bobby and his team is payed a flat rate not dependant upon what is dropped.

Many people don't like the method he uses, becuase its tricky in how its setup. Many who are naive, or haven't done BCNM before, or who have lost enough to think any sort of cash is a victory, get caught up in this and don't realize that they should be making much much more than they are, and could with a different team using 6 seals.
#20 Nov 15 2004 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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On a related note, you'd do well to stay away from Bobbygunz' linkshell, KnightsOfTheRound.

Their membership appears to include the infamous Brood crew. Low standards notwithstanding, I'd stay away from any LS who includes mpk'ing gilsellers in their roster -_-;
#21 Nov 17 2004 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Bukuujutsu I'm not going to be paranoid, but you have 1 post, it seems awfully likely that you are a puppet.

The fact is that there are numerous people here (and in game) who would suppor tthe accusation that he has cheated them, and also that they win about so-so, I've raised a few of his party members once, the he and his static escaped out of the fight.

I have never played with him (and from the stories hope I never will). All I can go on is the numerous complaints against him. The only people who seem to support him on this site and sirenffxi.com are people with under 20 posts (possible puppets) and his static members. Though it seems everyone else who has pt'd with him in bcnm40 has something bad to say about him, either that they lost or that they didn't receive their gil.

If you wanted to do bcnm40 with some sure-win bards I know a couple of people. Samwise has a very good record, Whapi seems to have one as well, and I seem to be the current fad (I don't know if I'm any better than the rest of them, but I've recently been getting a lot of hype, though I'vce stopped doing as much do to school). All 3 of these choices, along with any bard you know and trust would probably be a better way to go than bobbygunz.
#22 Nov 17 2004 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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A long time ago.. when I was but a wee newb.. about level 20.. Bobbygunz was asked by a member of our party to assist us with the Bastok dragon for 2-3.

Well.. the person who asked him for his help got d/c, and Bobby refused to proceed any further... saying he was waiting for his friend to return.

20 minutes later.. after a few attempts to kill us with a scorpion, and numerous Quadav's which conned from DC-T.. his friend had yet to return..

So we told him we should head off and kill the dragon.. and he refused.. and left us..

We had to resort to paying him for the help.. and the funny thing is.. we didn't even pay him when we finished..

All in all.. this guy is a complete *******, unless you say you will pay him for something, he will treat you like ****, and is NOT to be trusted.. I have heard several stories of his exploits, and I can't say they were very delightful.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 01:25:14 2004 by Dranoface
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#23 Nov 17 2004 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Bukuujutsu I'm not going to be paranoid, but you have 1 post, it seems awfully likely that you are a puppet.


Um... lol. Bukuu isn't a "puppet". He's a 75 pld.. leader of RequiemHunters, the HNM division of Requiem, and fairly well known and respected..

I have no comment on the situation other than that, really. Bobbygunz method may not be "fair" to some people, but he does make it clear how loot will be divided. If you don't like it, you don't have to BCNM with him - but that doesn't make him dishonest or a "cheater" in any way, lol. He runs a business, of course he's going to want to make profit. This isn't some pick-up BCNM group. You take a possible cut in profit in return for a guarenteed win with an experienced group of players. For lower leveled players without alot of avenues to make money or alot of experienced people to BC with, I don't see how this is a bad opportunity. You're basically guarenteed a win, you make a nice share of loot, and you get to have a successful experience in the BC so you can do it with your own pts in the future. Obviously higher levels with more connections have better options, but for some people the service Bobby provides is a nice opportunity.

But then again I stopped paying attention to your post really once you said "Bobbygunz proclaims himself as the BCNM master but many people said that I'm that I'm the BCNM master, not him!!11omglolz!" Sorry, screams petty, stupid trash talking rivalry to me.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 15:16:33 2004 by Phrynia
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#24 Nov 17 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys, i'm finally able to log onto the web site so that I may defend myself.


First off, I have distributed the money to every single person that I did BCNM with. I have records of all 213 of my wins I can tell you who I did the bcnm with, what was dropped and how much each person received.

Secondly, I have been very honest with the people that I do bcnm with and have alot of communication. This was done by giving my pol email, AOL screen name, as well as home email to any one that needs it so that if there was a problem they may contact me.
No one has ever contacted me about this but I have been gotten nothing but praise from people that went along with me, and I receive tells from people asking me if they can do it again with me beacouse they had such a good expersence.
Every one always gets their cut.

Bukuujutsuyou I have to say, you hit the nail on the head thatís exactly what I do, I invented it. i wont lie, I run a business, its how I make money. Basically I train people that just reached level 40 that would not get a bcnm40 invite and then make them on average a easy 60-150k. Which is alot of money for there level. I tell them that they will get in at least 3 battles.

To be honest I have been getting repeated requests from people that did it with me to do it again because they enjoyed the experience.

All of this Hate toward me is from jealously. If you donít want to do it with me, donít dont do it with me. I wont be insulted. But if you would like to have a guaranteed victory at Steamed Sprouts 40 BCNM, make an easy 60-150k then send me a /tell or email me, like Bukuujutsuyou said,
I Guarantee victory.


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Edited, Wed Nov 17 15:37:19 2004 by BobbyGunz

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#25 Nov 19 2004 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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"Bukuujutsu I'm not going to be paranoid, but you have 1 post, it seems awfully likely that you are a puppet."


If you don't know who bukuujutsu is then you must be a noob.
#26 Nov 25 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Bobbygunz I will say one thing about you, you're not an idiot. You go about this completely intelligently and with a cool mind. You don't come in here screaming "It isn't true, liars!" You're sensible and reasonable, though the means does not justify teh ends. I named at least one name here of a person who can colloborate my story, and for people who want more information there is a good amount at sirenffxi if you check around, must of bobbygunz 5-7 advertising threads got deleted, and all that remains now are a few complaints. There is a misguided troll who is stalking bobbygunz there (sorry about that bobbygunz), but he is only trolling to spread a warning message.

And I would like to offer you a personal warning bobbygunz, these people are going to remember you, and you can't keep this up forever. these people are going to get higher in level and be apart of everything you want to do. These people will be in your HNM LS, your Dynamis LS, eventually in your regular LS. Right now there is not a great amount of enmity towards you (that I can see), you're end game is not destroyed. I would suggest you do bcnm's honestly (no more of the "I guarantee victory" motto, tell them you have a winning record but you do have some losses) and stop the stealing, I don't think you steal from a majority of your bcnm's (otherwise I think your reputation would be completely destroyed by now), but you are known to steal from a few.
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BCNM is easy, if you want to do the giddeus battle send me a tell. I charge a flat 10k per battle, and don't hose people like bobbygunz does.
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#28 Nov 27 2004 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi kicks, It's me Vlan.

Yeah some bards I would recommend for bcnm would be whapi (think he's retired), kicks, and of course myself.

Just to throw in a bit of my own advertising:

If your interested in doing one with me you can either book with Jebroubien and go in for a 4 orb run, you and the 3 other users get a 20% cut and Jebroubien and I each split one cut (so we each get 10%) because he won't be able to offer orbs normally (it's a business we do a lot).

The other alternative is to set one up with me where you bring your own group and jsut need a bard, here I'm flexible in payment, I may do a flat out fee, or based on a percentage of the drops, or even bring my own orb, whatever works out best for you.

My BCNM40 gear is shown here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?71135

Edited, Sat Nov 27 00:13:23 2004 by Allegory
#29 Nov 27 2004 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Thats why the thread was created. I did BCNM 40 with both Bobby and Vlan. As a matter of fact, did BCNM 40 with Vlan before he/she started a business on it.

Both ppl know what they're doing. Bobby doesn't hide anything and i personally don't blame him for the stupid n00bs that can't pay attention to how he does things before they agree to it.
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#30 Nov 27 2004 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Vegeta of course people who are ignorant are not completely innocent of the problems that befall them, but neither are they completely guilty.

In teh case of ignorance both the victim and the victimizer are at fault, but who is more insidious?
#31 Nov 28 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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On a related note, you'd do well to stay away from Bobbygunz' linkshell, KnightsOfTheRound.

Their membership appears to include the infamous Brood crew. Low standards notwithstanding, I'd stay away from any LS who includes mpk'ing gilsellers in their roster -_-;
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Umm dude stfu... i am in KnightsOfTheRound and we dont support anythign that bobbygunz did... we dont have any gill sellers and we kicked out bobby for what he did please do not bring our ls in to this
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First thing you do when trying to defend yourself (or your LS): Tell someone else to "stfu".

Your post would've had some leverage if you simply stuck to the information you posted. Telling someone to "shut the f-ck up" while you're doing it brings your credibility down just a tad. ^^;

Edit: typo.

Edited, Sun Nov 28 21:40:46 2004 by jyneefur
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