Investigation: Profession Gil Making Company?Follow

lol wrong forum

Edited, Thu Sep 16 07:48:03 2004 by @#%^thiscrap

That ordelles group is 100% bullsh*t. I left myself logged into ordelles for a few days trying to get a time of death on Morbolger for my Monk quest. When I reviewed the logs or went into the Stroper Chyme room they were always active (Not botting). Siren should just join forces and run these gil sellers out of business. Shifts of 10-15+ people camping against them in groups 24/7. Follow them everywhere they go, and make sure they do not accomplish their quotas.

Honestly I would like to take them into Ballista and just pound on them all day, but guess since they are Rank 1 that will not happen.

Jaxon

I'm currently camping the Orcish Barricader at the Outpost to get the Latern Sheild for my little brother. This things not an NM, but it spawns like one: once every 1 - 1.5 hours in a tiny little cave up north.

Anyway, as soon as I get there I see one of the LHB farmers standing all by his wee self. Tarutaru WHM/NIN, interesting gear, RSE and a bunch of red stuff (every notice these guys have a thing for red gear?).

I /grin at him and set up my spam provokes.

I'm 3/3 on the Orcish Barricader and the Orcish Wallbreaker before the runtcake gives up and heads back to Sandoria.

These guys are everywhere, I tells you, everywhere.

I think Bsts are our best friends with botters:

Charm+Release=dead botter

End of story?

I am in agreement with Dranoface here. It's not the fact that people sell gil online that bothers me, it's the means in which they aquire the gil. The gil farmers on Siren now camp nearly every major item dropping mob 24/7. This makes it so other people who actually want to put any one mobs drop to good use will never have a chance at getting it unless they wanna pay mass amounts of gil for said drop. Stroper Chyme is a prime example and these gil sellers have total control over the market for the item it drops which is BS. These gil farmers use cheap tactics like training mobs and then calling for help and they don't give anyone else a chance to get at the mob. They will also train you. I was trained in Oztroja because they thought I was there for the coffers when I was only there to get a chest for my AF gear. So there are many methods they'll use to get rid of you and they're not afraid to do anything because SE will do nothing about them.

BST have an advantage against the botter. Not by Charming and Releasing, but by using Charm to claim the mob before the voke botters get a chance to. Charm is faster than Provoke, Dia or anything else you can come up with when it comes to claiming a mob. On mobs that have nice drops that can be charmed, you can shut down the gil sellers indefinately. I've tested this out on Stroper Chyme and shut down the gil sellers for 4 hours and I was 5/5 at claiming Chyme EVEN after the gil sellers called in their buddies to come help them out.

I've played the North American version of FFXI since it was in beta. I tell everyone, from my past experiences and current frustrations, that most SquareEnix employees (not just the GMs) do not care enough about the internal quality of their service to ban botters and gil sellers until it interferes with the entire game community (not just several worlds or economies). SE is completely responsible for ensuring a good atmosphere and playing environment, and they have done a poor job with this important aspect of their service since its inception. When the game structure fails to play out as it is intended by its designers, then a problem is apparent and should be remedied by the game staff.

I also speak from past experience with several foreign MMORPGs in which I have seen varying degrees of customer service and rule enforcement. In both Ragnarok Online (international, Japanese, Taiwanese & Korean services, all of which I have subscribed to at some point) and Priston Tale for instance, GMs take advantage of their power to ban suspect players by inspecting account logs and logs from characters which suspects have traded with or spoken to. GMs in every single MMORPG to date have had the power to alter account data, including but not limited to account deletion if authorized by the upper company management. Sometimes game staff may even contact a parent or guardian if the nature of the offense warrants such an action. The point is, GMs have the power to build and destroy as they feel necessary or reasonable, regardless of the player rules stated in the ToS. SE staff rarely carries out even the most simple and conclusive user requested game management tasks, so it is not surprising that they fail to adequately conduct account investigations for gil sellers. In Ragnarok Online, a GM may access and investigate any and all accounts without cause or justification. This is what you agree to when you click the "I Agree" button everytime you start playing the game. Gravity has been threatened with lawsuits many times for their (usually justified) management actions, but rarely has any player across the world actually followed up with any legal challenge. SE has nothing to be afraid of in this aspect, as SE could easily pay for a legal team to bat down nearly any child's case against them.

So, I've stated the following (1) It is the responsibility of the SquareEnix staff to ensure a well-rounded, quality gaming experience for all of its players using necessary means, (2) said means are not limited to temporary bannings, as stated in every MMORPG Terms of Service agreement to date, (3) much smaller companies such as Gravity have taken strong actions against players who purposely disrupted any aspect of the gameplay environment to make it less enjoyable for others, (4) GMs may use logged data transcripts to inspect any player activity and carry out punishment, (5) SE has no reason to fear legal threats, as their chances of being fined any dollar amount in a court of law for carrying out basic service management is minimal.

Having said all of this, I think it is only fair to point out that the actual population of any server is much greater than any number you will see on an unofficial report. There is no possible way to count the number of players in each world unless you stay logged in for months and compare search reports. Monitoring so many players on all worlds at once is damn near impossible even with a large staff. You can usually double the population reports you see on forums, they only count up to several days activity in most instances. It's also good to note that a well-conducted investigation may take up to 2 months for good results. If SE started conducting a torrent of hasty investigations against accused players, they would make many mistakes and the situation would only worsen for everyone. This is a problem in many MMORPGs right now.

Edited, Mon Oct 25 16:04:04 2004 by Katrii

You can't have it both ways.

Either you understand that buying and selling gil has a detrimental effect on the game, or you ignore all that is bad about it, and accept it as peachy keen.

The problem is, for whatever reason, folks seem to think its a race to level up. If you stop with that silly philosophy, and simply enjoy the game, crafting, farming, and hanging out with your pals, then there no longer is ANY reason to buy gil.

If nobody buys gil, then Zo's, --Baut, and LNxxx will no longer on our server, and our Siren community will be a far better place.

No, gil selling does not have a detrimental effect on the game. It's how the gil that is sold is aquired that has the detrimental effect on the game. When someone camps a mob that drops valuable items 24/7 and not letting other people have a chance to get said item is what's causing the problems. Why? Because the gil sellers totally control the market on most of expensive items in the game. The ring that Stroper Chyme dropped used to be 200k before the gil sellers/botters started camping Chyme 24/7 and now the ring goes for what? Over 400k? THAT is what has a detrimental effect on the game.

If your average Joe goes out and farms gil-dropping mobs and the occasional NM when he runs across one and he wants to sell his hard-earned gil to pay for the game, then more power to him; until Joe starts botting and camping mobs 24/7 and controlling the market on any one item, he is doing nothing that effects the game in an ill manner. In fact, he's helping people out that only have a couple of hours a week to play the game due to real life stuff. Not everyone can sit down and play FFXI for 6hrs+ a night and 7 days a week and they most certainly don't want to spend their game time farming for gil so they can buy new gear.

I don't know what's so hard that people cannot grasp that concept and there is no "both ways" about what I said.

I agree with you on the race to 75. I'm not in any rush, but it seems most everyone else is; people seem to think their uber because they made it to Lv75 in a month. I'd take someone that explored the game that took a long time to get to 75 before I would someone that spent 12hrs a night for 2 months hitting 75. Chances are, the slower leveler knows more about the game. But that has nothing to do with buying gil. One can easily obtain enough gil from items/crystals they get while grouping to make their way to 75 without having to farm for a week/buy gil to buy a new gear.

Edited, Mon Oct 25 18:33:07 2004 by Climhazard