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With more and more new dynamis shells popping up (and some of them not looking into the state of scheduling), I'm getting an overwhelming sense of things starting to go bad with the congenial state of dynamis scheduling on the Seraph server--especially for the busiest night of the week, Monday.

This is especially important as some of the newer shells are "Northlands Only" shells which put a strain on the already tight scheduling on busy nights where up to 8 shells are trying to accomodate the needs of their members (this doesn't factor in the pickup shouts and groups).

What this has resulted in is a scheduling war with each shell trying to post their schedule earlier and earlier to try and get the dibs on the best zones. What it is leading to is posting 6-9mo in advance, which to me seems somewhat excessive.

I was wondering what the general dynamis community thinks about this. I'd hate to see the good atmosphere we have on Seraph degenerate into /tell screaming matches and lots of angry dynamisers. As far as I can see the only real solution is to instance dynamis, but until that time comes I'd like some input from those that schedule dynamis:


-What is a reasonable amount of time you can schedule something in advance and expect it to be honored?


Prior to the decrease in dynamis costs and the influx of dynamis groups, most shells seemed to post between 2wk and 1mo in advance. I know the system isn't perfect (we've had zones overscheduled --which has always been worked out by responsible leaders -- and "stolen" by pickup/random groups (mostly xarcabard)). I think realistically, scheduling huge chunks of time doesn't solve the problem. If people won't work with you and overschedule your zone when you have it posted for 1mo in advance, why would they work with you if you have it posted 6mo in advance? How do you guys feel?






Edited, Feb 16th 2009 5:31pm by Chiyaura

Edited, Feb 16th 2009 6:24pm by Chiyaura

The Tuesday night groups have always had a pecking order, based on the order our shells were established. Noseph waits til Dynacore and BtL Saturdays picks a schedule, and everyone else waits til after we're done. In exchange, each of the shells takes care to not pile on 2-3 Xarcs. (Since both NoSeph and Dynacore are upgrading shells, we're gonna do a round of cities each month, and usually stick to one Xarc/Glacier apiece.)

I think one month is the absolute max a schedule ought to be honored. If you're claiming Xarcabards all the way in May and June, then you're being greedy, plain and simple.

I'm done with my Xarc gear, but there's a huge backlog in my linkshell for items like RDM and BLM hats because the stupid things don't drop often enough. Stealing the zone from my shell is stealing potential drops from my members, and you can bet I'll holler like a banshee about it (cuz I've done it before.)

Pickup groups have every right to go in, but they also need to be respectful of the schedule as its posted. I have a sticky indexed at the top of this forum to facilitate scheduling, and I considered making a Google Documents schedule. If all the LS leaders got onto Google Docs and made a calendar there, then we could see each other's zone plans before people started piling up in front of the Trail Markings, and resolve issues before they got too far.

The final arbiter should always be a random between leaders, when overschedule accidents happen. Anyone who doesn't respect the random shouldn't be running a linkshell, period.

Allow me a moment to give a brief synopsis of a differing opinion.




Who cares?

Read it again.

There. I said it. If you are all getting that pissed that someone stole your spot I have a 2nd grade teacher that would like to give you a hug, a grape drink, and to tell you it will be ok.

All you ever see in this forum is how one person wronged another. They do it all the time. You can either accept it, fight it, or fuck it. Why get so worked up over the whole thing? Is it because Player X took the zone from every one else? Of course it is. But his actions are out of your control.

Calling out everyone who wronged you is just foolish. You look like a child when you whine. Granted, it doesn't make the other person any less a dick but I mean come on. If you are really that upset about it then /blist the player and move on.

SE has always lived by the rule: Yellow is fair game. The EXACT SAME THING applies to dynamis. They beat you. Move or go do something else. I can tell ya that you ain't going in right now. It would be asinine to think that your whining is suddenly going to make everyone that spent just as much time as you getting ready and entering (and in some cases spending gil) to just up and leave to appease you.

I mean it's not like stole a 30m KClub from you and then sh*t on you all over a forum to make themselves look that much cooler now is it?

Well,

There are always 2 sides to any debate. What I find interesting, not just in this dyna situation but in other things in-game, is how attitudes and demeanor in game pattern those we see in RL day-to-day. As time goes on we see more selfishness in people. What I like to classify as a hurray-for-me-and-ta-hell-with-you attitude.

Some of us saw this coming, but more to the point, the true question that needs answered here is what is the best way to deal with it?

First off...who cares? Each and every one of us should care. This is not just a game related issue. It is a people related issue, and it is sad to see people treating others like their personal floormat by not respecting them in the very least. Our forefathers said it best... don't tread on me.

Why would anyone in their right mind think that the "rights" of 6-12 people would be greater than the rights of a group of potentially 64 others? Just because you have a penis doesn't mean it's ok to go rape others. Doesn't seem to take a math major to figure that one out.

OK, so the choice is to accept it, "fight it or f--- it?" Well, accepting someone else stepping all over you doesn't really sit well with me and it shouldn't sit well with anyone else either, I mean..why would it? And f--- it seems to be in that same vein which leaves us with fighting it. OK, sounds fun.

But what methods do any of us really have in game to dissuade others from walking on us? The MPK patch and all those pesky rules kinda put a damper on that. What way does anyone really have to "fight" anything along these lines?

You do make a good point on "yellow is fair game". regardless of the moral side of all of this.

A blacklist, or even better, a public list of players that don't care about any one but themselves(because they approve of zone ganking by walking past a ready group and participating) seems to be the only means available to try to "fight" this.

/blist may be a part of this. I can personally vouch for the improvement in my gameplay that I have enjoyed by /blisting a select few asshats. Pareto had it going on, the minority of the players seem to cause the majority of the issues.

I have an idea of how to help minimize zone ganking and it is as simple as just leaving exactly on time. It is far too easy to schedule an event, and then delay the start by 5, 10, 60 minutes. The whole time leaving that zone open for the taking. It isn't easy to get peeps to start on time, and would have to be just as hard for a "pick-up" group to do the same. Sure... the first few times you leave on time, every person that comes in late will be like "wah", but pretty soon they will learn that 4pm means 4pm (or whatever the start time is) and will learn to be on time.

SE has said that instancing dyna isn't really in the works. I can't think of a better way that works within the framework of what we all have to play with here, can you? But just accepting it isn't the answer.


Just remember, you can not make anything idiot-proof. Just when you think you have, 2 idiots will put their heads together and figure out a way around it.

Fine. Happy?

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 4:00pm by Senjiow

lol Eurell is right. No one stole any zones and this isn't about stealing zones, it's about how to effectively schedule and how many months in advance it is appropriate to post a schedule D: No one is whining and I know that we all have to deal with the system that SE puts forth.

And I thank the dynamis linkshell leaders for their input--we've always thought that 1-1.5mo is also pretty appropriate, but that 6-9mo isn't really helpful. Just wanted to make sure this isn't something that is generally well established for other busy dynamis days :P



Edited, Feb 24th 2009 9:54am by Chiyaura

I was wondering if there's dynamis shells that go Thursday and Sunday at around 8 pm. I'd like to see their schedules and plan around it if I can.

I think the key to this discussion is not "why must we do this," but rather, "why SHOULD we do this?" Due to the influx of new shells and pickup groups brought on at least in part by the drop in entrance fee, the Dynamis situation on our server is in danger of becoming somewhat of a free-for-all.

Of course we don't have to go through the trouble of adhering to schedules and self-imposed rules, but isn't it so much better for everyone if we just agree to cooperate? No one is saying that any one linkshell be given priority over another. What many of the Dynamis leaders are trying to accomplish is an end state which is relatively free of drama.

Does this mean that if we abide by the self imposed rules that everything will always be perfect? No. However, I think our server is above the recent selfishness and squabbling over this endgame event. We can either adapt, or we can give up and be devolve into chaos.

Maybe I'm being overly naive. Either way, I hope the leaders of the linkshells at least attempt to bring fair play into the scheduling process.

Edited, Mar 7th 2009 11:37am by Justiceblade