Just trying to guage by the responses if there would be any interest in a dynamis shell that allowed ANYone who wishes to sponsor a run or "split the glass" to do so. If upgrading a relic isn't your thing then you can chose to lot relic. Most shells have the format of a handful of ppl constantly sponsor the runs to collect currency for upgrades. I know alot of people who would like to upgrade but cant get the chance. I figured this might be something more favorable for those of us who have relic dreams but cant figure out how to reach em.
ps. Im not going to get into run times...lotting rules etc..Im just seeing how much interest there is at this point.
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Let's crunch some numbers.
In a city run, approximately 100-200 singles fall in an average run. If you're lucky, you might get 1-2 100s. If you can clean out the zone, you can meet or exceed 500 total pieces of currency in a single run.
However, the average for a large Dynamis shell is closer to 200-300 a run. Still pretty sweet.
Most of the relic weapons cost anywhere from 120-150 or so pieces of 100 currency, assuming you can borrow some of the last 30 100s needed for the final 1000 piece. That's 12,000-15,000 singles.
If a single person sponsors a run for a shell, it will take them on average a year to complete a relic. If you rotate sponsorships, then it's closer to 3-4 (the latter scenario is where I am.)
So, I think that people going into such a linkshell with the expectation of funding a relic may be disappointed. It's far more reasonable to have an open sponsorship system for people who want to pay for a glass and potentially make 2-3 million gil in profit. The issues that stem from that, of course, is that only city runs raked in the 200-300 pieces of currency. Northlands are closer to 100 max if no 100s drop. It's still double your money, but not 600% profit like the city runs can be these days.
So you'll have those rotating out sponsorship relucant to sponsor northland runs. I suppose in this case you can charge individual linkshell members a small fee for northlands runs, and just free lot the currency, or whatever.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea altogether. There probably are some folks who want to upgrade but can't get a sponsorship deal with a shell. If they have a ton of outside money already and think that currency is too expensive to completely self fund, this might be an option. I just don't think a relic can be completely funded in such a way. (Relics also require rare/ex items, and a linkshell that can clear Bastok may not necessarily be able to handle attestations in Beaucedine.)
If you guage the interest to be sufficient, I'm going to suggest a Wednesday/Sunday schedule. Mondays are so piled up that there are six linkshells whose times overlap right now.
In a city run, approximately 100-200 singles fall in an average run. If you're lucky, you might get 1-2 100s. If you can clean out the zone, you can meet or exceed 500 total pieces of currency in a single run.
However, the average for a large Dynamis shell is closer to 200-300 a run. Still pretty sweet.
Most of the relic weapons cost anywhere from 120-150 or so pieces of 100 currency, assuming you can borrow some of the last 30 100s needed for the final 1000 piece. That's 12,000-15,000 singles.
If a single person sponsors a run for a shell, it will take them on average a year to complete a relic. If you rotate sponsorships, then it's closer to 3-4 (the latter scenario is where I am.)
So, I think that people going into such a linkshell with the expectation of funding a relic may be disappointed. It's far more reasonable to have an open sponsorship system for people who want to pay for a glass and potentially make 2-3 million gil in profit. The issues that stem from that, of course, is that only city runs raked in the 200-300 pieces of currency. Northlands are closer to 100 max if no 100s drop. It's still double your money, but not 600% profit like the city runs can be these days.
So you'll have those rotating out sponsorship relucant to sponsor northland runs. I suppose in this case you can charge individual linkshell members a small fee for northlands runs, and just free lot the currency, or whatever.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea altogether. There probably are some folks who want to upgrade but can't get a sponsorship deal with a shell. If they have a ton of outside money already and think that currency is too expensive to completely self fund, this might be an option. I just don't think a relic can be completely funded in such a way. (Relics also require rare/ex items, and a linkshell that can clear Bastok may not necessarily be able to handle attestations in Beaucedine.)
If you guage the interest to be sufficient, I'm going to suggest a Wednesday/Sunday schedule. Mondays are so piled up that there are six linkshells whose times overlap right now.
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Turin wrote:
(Zelduh)'s won the argument by going so far off the deep end that no one is willing to follow.
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Well I was thinking this would be more for people who want to get started and didn't feel like waiting a year or maybe longer for a sponsorship "spot" to open up. Then once they were at a point where they needed attestations/fragments etc then they can hook up with a northlands dynamis shell to finish it off...or by that time this one might be big enough to handle those areas.
As for sponsorship I should've specified that it wouldn't be "rotational" where people take turns buying a glass. What I was thinking of was ppl who wished to sponsor would let me know before the run then I'd just divide the glass cost by that. If 5 ppl split glass then 5 ppl share the currency or 10 or 15 w/e. If its just me on northlands then so be it. Granted its not as fast as buying a glass solo but it's a start atleast. I also think if more people had a vested interest in sponsoring runs then perhaps attendance rates would be more consistent.
Thanks for the input Cat...its duly noted.. And ya..I was thinking something other than mon/thur myself.
As for sponsorship I should've specified that it wouldn't be "rotational" where people take turns buying a glass. What I was thinking of was ppl who wished to sponsor would let me know before the run then I'd just divide the glass cost by that. If 5 ppl split glass then 5 ppl share the currency or 10 or 15 w/e. If its just me on northlands then so be it. Granted its not as fast as buying a glass solo but it's a start atleast. I also think if more people had a vested interest in sponsoring runs then perhaps attendance rates would be more consistent.
Thanks for the input Cat...its duly noted.. And ya..I was thinking something other than mon/thur myself.
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The issue with "waiting for a sponsorship spot to open up" -- those slots go to people who have been in the shell a long, long time, not someone from the outside. By the very nature of doing "occasional" outside runs for cash, you are eliminating yourself from consideration for sponsorship slots in the big shells.
I know my shell has about half a dozen people who are on the waiting list for sponsorship, and at least one person who gave up waiting and self funded instead. We were able to get him the rare/ex items, however, and he got a lot of his currency while the price was bottomed out.
I know my shell has about half a dozen people who are on the waiting list for sponsorship, and at least one person who gave up waiting and self funded instead. We were able to get him the rare/ex items, however, and he got a lot of his currency while the price was bottomed out.
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Turin wrote:
(Zelduh)'s won the argument by going so far off the deep end that no one is willing to follow.
Yes, we have a long waiting list for sponsorships at well and currently let 3 people actively sponsor which makes the wait long for everyone.
Even great runs when you get a lot of currency (we got 1059 byne bills from Bastok one night ^^) it still takes an incredibly long time and is a relatively slow process. This would probably be even slower if you had a lottery system for who gets to sponsor. But still it is a different concept.
I would talk to Rosskatz when he gets back, I think he may have allowed open sponsorship when he first started up his linkshell. He might have some better advice about the pros and cons of that :p
Even great runs when you get a lot of currency (we got 1059 byne bills from Bastok one night ^^) it still takes an incredibly long time and is a relatively slow process. This would probably be even slower if you had a lottery system for who gets to sponsor. But still it is a different concept.
I would talk to Rosskatz when he gets back, I think he may have allowed open sponsorship when he first started up his linkshell. He might have some better advice about the pros and cons of that :p
The linkshell I currently run with has fairly open sponserships available. Policy goes if no one wants to sponser , ls bank pays for it. Wootz always goto the bank, synth items always auto-drop, relic is fairly simple cept for northlands, and any currency dropped goes to whoever paid for the glass. If the bank paid for it, the currency goes to the bank which sells currency @ discount to members; and sells it on the rolanberry market otherwise.
Right now the only requirement is that you show honest dedication to wanting to upgrade a relic, and that you aren't turning around and selling the currency for profit(naturally). We're also still openly recruiting with around 10-15 regular members and a total roster around 25. Send Ormus or Kalendra a /tell in game.
Right now the only requirement is that you show honest dedication to wanting to upgrade a relic, and that you aren't turning around and selling the currency for profit(naturally). We're also still openly recruiting with around 10-15 regular members and a total roster around 25. Send Ormus or Kalendra a /tell in game.
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