Yeah that's all well and good for a low level whm, to become a miner. As you get higher in level those this doesn't really bring home the bacon so to speak. If you mine 24-7 with all that competetion in maybe a week you might earn 100-200k.
Have you looked at the cost to be a high level whm lately? Raise3 for the unlucky whm's before us was upto 3mil gil on many servers. On our's its now down to about 800k-1mil. Just for a raise spell. Not many whm's will be lucky enough to get a noble's tunic or the +1. The tunic is about 10mil and the +1 was 20mil last time I looked in the AH. The cloth needed to make these are about 5-7mil alone. With the cost of being a miner and after AH tax your looking at maybe a year of mining. No thanks.
I personally have never said pay me this much gil or I wont raise you, but a whm shouldn't have to ask in the first place. A thankyou and an amount of gil depending on what type of situation the whm is putting themself in, should be a customary practice of all people who ask for a raise. If you don't have the gil and nobody will pay for it then home point.
Lastnight is a perfect example of what I am talking about. My party went to Kuftal tunnel to fight some tigers for exp. We were there before anyone else came. Our Blm DC'd. While waiting for him to get online another party show'd up. The majority of that party didn't want to camp on top of us, since it is not only rude, but also since the monster's do an AOE paralyze is dangerous for both parties.
Two rude member's of that party decided that they didn't care and decide to pull and fight monster's on top of us. Since we had a Nin, Drk, and War for melee we didn't have a real puller. The drk though risked death on every pull and was our puller. When he got agro he had just enough time to run back to the camp without "claiming" the monster or he would have died. This rude party's thf thought I was rather funny to steal our monster and exp. Although what he did wasn't "against the rules of SE" it is behavior socially unacceptable.
What goes around comes around, I am a frim believer of this. Once again I was not let down, as thier party was wiped out by a Ladon, looks like Guiver's little brother. Thier Brd and Thf were the rude people in that party. The brd warped out, didnt see the whm, but was happy my blm friend managed to warp out alive also. Two dead bodies were left for us to dance happily on, and a beaten up Ladon for us to kill. I even got my level off it.
Now in this case I could have been the "bigger man", well in my case woman, and raised them. Their whm was not comming back to raise them, atleast not to my knowldge. Suddenly now that they needed something from us the said they were sorry and they didn't want to camp on top of us. Still didn't stop them from doing it, or killing stolen exp. I bet they were sorry, but why should I care? There isn't enough gil from all the players on every server combined to even make me give them a Raise1, let alone raise2 or 3.
Anyone who knows me, knows that I like to helpout friends whenever I can. If I am asked for help from someone who isn't a close friend, in a nice way, I try to help when I have the time. As my NIN said it best to me the other day though and I quote "I hope I never get on your bad side, it's a demon". I found it rather funny since it was not only very true but 100% accurate. So why should I be left there having to make that choice of to raise or not to raise?
Part of me felt really bad for them and wanted to raise them.
On the other hand, the whole reason why I am so crass and cold towards people I don't know, the whole reason I am very sarcastic and sometime mean (mean but truthful), is that we as people have to put up with enough crap in the real world. Why should I have to take it here? Isn't that the whole reason we are paying our 15-20 bucks a month for? So that we have a few hours of enjoyment, away from all that bs? Some people drink, others smoke crack, some play FF, everyone has their "thing". Some of them use it to escape reality, while others just enjoy it.
Point is why should I reward someone for "bad behavior" for lack of a better word. If it's my job as a whm to raise them, then I am sure I am the evil whm who wouldn't raise them, as I am sure they try to tell people and have them believe. Then again maybe they might think twice next time before they act this way towards some other poor party just trying to get exp.
It was nice that their whm messaged me up and said that he was sorry for that and it was only a few people in the party not everyone. Like I said my freind was their Blm so I already knew. It was a nice thing to do none the less.
When this type of thing happens daily in all server's I am sure, how could anyone question a whm asking for gil to take time out of their day to raise someone? I am always /anon, and don't ask for gil to raise someone, but also don't see anything wrong with a whm doing so. I personally think that it really sucks that this is what it has come to. That poor Pld didn't do anything but his job and paid the price of his party's actions. That's just how life is sometimes I guess.
90% of whm's are not greedy, and probally like to help, same as I do. The maybe 10% that are greedy and trying to make a profit off other's misfortunes I hope don't last long as a whm. Really though I don't see any other way to deal with this issue. Many people turn a blind eye, just as if someone was getting mugged or rapped. They may stop to watch for a minute or two, but quickly go on with their own business. I think peoples own morals play a part in how they choose to play their game.
To me I don't think the real issue is not a whm charging for a raise or not. It's why has things gotten to the point where a whm would charge for a raise? I don't know the answer to that question, or more importantly the solution to the problem. So really what other option does a whm have? I have been on both sides of a raise. Maybe the whm's who charge for a raise are doing so to fight back against all those times they have been ripped off, taken for granted, or some other reason. I can't say why since I am not them. It's clear though that many are charging for a raise or atleast considering it from the posts on this thread and other posts on the whm job forum.
Like I said before, it makes me sad that it has come to this, but really what can you do?