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#1 Jan 27 2005 at 10:15 PM Rating: Default
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Ok this discussion has become pretty big in game with me and a bunch of other whm's. I have been in the dunes alot and have been giving raises to people for free and sometimes I get tips but sometimes I dont. A big reason im charging 500gil for a raise now is because im sick and tired of getting rude /tells saying Hey raise <pos>, Then while omw to raise I get 4 tells saying hey are you still coming? Finally arriving after searching for the person, They are raised already or I raise them and they run away without saying thank you or even kneeling for respect! If you want to say well then /anon, why should us whms have to go everywhere in anon? I think that if they know they are gonna have to pay 500gil for a raise then maybe they wont be as big of idiots in places like the dunes! If you are a whm and would like to charge 500gil for a raise then please do it helps us whms buy better equipment, Raise is not what a whm is supposed to do on there off time, ONLY IN PARTIES. So if you want a raise from me or some of the other whms then expect to pay 500gil for a raise now It is a service not a hey come and raise me its your job to do it!
#2 Jan 28 2005 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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500gil would be their punishment for not setting home point in selbina or dunes. I mean you don't loose that much xp when you die at that lvl. Plust it's way faster to hp. I would put a message in your comment that your charging so ppl don't act like it's some big surprise. I see this as a perfectly acceptable way to make money, just like the tele-taxi thing.
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#3 Feb 01 2005 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Codyf! Your that ******* who didn't raise me because you think I kicked you from a pt.
#4 Feb 01 2005 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
I agree with duff.
Got 4 /tells last night asking for raises in dunes while i was in plains farming elementals. All 4 were because their HP was in jeuno. So i started heading that way each time only to just to arrive to valkrum to get the /tell got a raise allready ty. For now on i wont demand payment but will make a comment saying tips will be gladly accepted.

Edited, Wed Feb 2 07:13:45 2005 by ajtaffy
#5 Feb 02 2005 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I wont Raise people in the Dunes half the time unless i know them. But the whole charging people for a raise thats fine.
#6Roofie, Posted: Feb 02 2005 at 9:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what kind of **** is that? i used to charge for raises and i got mass blisted for it
#7 Feb 02 2005 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
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Roofie you get mass blisted by just being yourself. Stay off these boards - I got you kicked from one already.
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#8Roofie, Posted: Feb 02 2005 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) technically i got myself kicked, u had nothing to do with it, all u did was start a thread saying u wanted me banned from qcdn, that wasnt the first thread or the first time sum1 asked to get me banned, dont think ur hot **** just cuz u started the last thread about getting me banned b4 i got banned, as for telling me to stay off these boards, well, i like these boards, i think ill stick around for awhile.
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Props to Foofighter for getting roofie banned from QCDN!!!

Roofie, why don't you start your own message boards where all the rejects go. You, Ethar, and Cowbla can have wonderful intellectual converstations and plot an evil takeover of vanadiel.
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Believe me I can careless if you think I am hot **** or not, and you are right - you did get yourself banned. Just post a couple more times for me to rate and you will be filtered off these boards.
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#11 Feb 06 2005 at 11:36 PM Rating: Default
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here's one for ya kid, have fun thinking about me, go ahead and deny it, ur posts prove that u do :)
#12 Feb 10 2005 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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when I was playing whm, before that little light bulb dinged over my head and i realized I hated it, for a long time I had no way of making money at all. Mages are kinda weak and not able to farm as effectively at lower lvls. sure things started looking up at the time I got teleports but there's 11 lvls between 25 and 36 with lots of expensive spells to pay for and equipment not so expensive as melee equipment albeit but pretty **** expensive when you have no real source of income. I think its completely fair to ask for a little compensation for your time. Its not unreasonable to ask for 500 gil for searching for dead bodies (people are ALWAYS incredibly vague) raising and the time it takes to rest the 150 mp raise cost.

It is not our duty to raise people. we have lives and other more important things to do rather than waste our time running to every person that has died and forgotten to set HP close by, or worse yet, is complaining bitterly about a whole 200 xp loss. *cough*try3kyawhiner*cough* it's like walking down the street then /telling a War to walk halfway across the map to provoke something for you. and before you explode about that comment THINK about it first. it is EXACTLY like that.

seriously I don't see why people freak out so much when they are asked to pay for my time. the only time I will ever charge more than 500 gil is when I'm on a chocobo, I will ask for the 500 + whatever the chocobo cost me.
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#13 Feb 23 2005 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright .. I'm going to brave the flames and post my humble opinion here.

My first job was RDM. I leveled RDM to 18, then switched to WHM for subjob. Leveled WHM to 16, then back to RDM until 32. Bouced back again to do BLM and SMN until about 25 or so, then i hit back to RDM until about my 40s. I only include this little history because I want to let you know that Raise was a long time coming.

Now .. I have never, and would never, charge for a Raise. Raise = XP (granted, not much at that level but still), and not just by XP death pentalty, but time lost that could be used to get XP while someone runs back. (not from selb, but say Bastok)

Arguments? WHM needs $$$ .. well no more or less than any other job. Try keeping your spells up as RDM or BLM. Or keeping armor up for a PLD, or arrows for a RNG. All jobs cost money. It's part of the game. And most of us manage without charging for Raises.

Charging for taxi? That's fine. I do it myself. (WHM 38 as of last week. ^^) You're providing a LUXURY SERVICE .. and it's a lot of work to level up WHM/BLM to taxi .. any schmo can level a WHM to 25 in a week or less (some do it in a few days) .. not to mention that some of the scroll quests are a pain. Raise is a 5k spell you get early, and probably one of the ones you will use the most.

NEVER charge for a raise. Tips are alright (and i usually refuse them), but charging for a raise is selfish and crude. Think of all the times YOU got raised on your first/noob/early jobs. And all the times you've had a PT shout for raise in the Nest or Citadel because you didn't recruit a WHM.

If you're in/around the dunes, go /anon. If you're LFG while you farm, then don't /anon but if someone asks you you can say "No." It's simple, two keys and enter. If they start harrassing you, /blist add. Or the ultimate .. use the auto-translator. "<I'm Sorry> <I'm busy right now><I Don't Speak English>" .. how do you argue with that?

I remember when I had just hit 38 RDM, and I was running back to Selbina to get a spell or two when the raise requests came pouring in. I learned to use /anon real fast. ****, i once got called in from S.Gusta to do a raise in the Dunes. I told them "No." and i went on with my life.

Charging for a raise is wrong. If you can do it and get away with it, be my guest. But it's still wrong. And having fits because "I'm getting tells all the time because I'm not /anon" .. oh yea? I get /tells for invites all the time when I'M IN PT ALREADY @ 60 for my RDM. "Care to come level?" .. "<I'm Sorry> .. I already AM" .. does it get annoying? When it does, I /anon.

There are plenty of annoying things in this game. Learn to deal with them, and use the tools at your disposal. You have /anon and /blist for a reason. So please quit whining about it. Thank You.
#14 Feb 23 2005 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm. This is a tough one. Both sides make valid points. However I don't believe it's "wrong" to ask for gil for a raise, but Brig is right all you have to do is be /anon or say no if you don't want to. If it's not your party it's not your responsibility as a Whm to raise anyone. If I happen to run across someone and I am not busy I will raise them. Why charge for that? Was my choice to stop and help them out. Then again if someone messages me up and wants me to take time away from whatever I am doing just to come raise them why not be compensiated for my time or cost of chocobo?

To me it all depends on the situation at the time. For example the other night when I was given 40K to go raise to people who Guiver ate. Guiver killed one of them 3times while I was trying to raise them and get out of their. After the 3rd death they just home pointed. Does that mean I'm not intitled to the 40k for risking myself to death to go raise? For anyone who says no, I died on my way to help them and lost my level.

So like I said it all depends on the situation. Some whm whos hardup for gil who sits in the dunes charging for raises all day well I think thats kind of taking advantage of them but its not "wrong". The Whm has the right to ask for Gil, same as the person asking for the raise has the right to say no thanks I don't want to pay.

Usually Whm's deal with other Whm's who are doing boardline wrong stuff in their own way. How many times has some noobie whm who just got a few tele spells undercut your price for a tele? Best way to deal with that is give away free teles so nobody will make any Gil. I've done that and seen other's do it. So if someone is trying to take advantage of raise in a similar way i'm sure there would be a flock of whm's heading to that area to be handing out free raises.

Whm's should be helping each other instead of trying to compete with eachother. Whm Union anyone? The sad thing about this all is that a whm shouldn't even have to ask for gil for raising someone. It should be offered everytime. Let the whm decide if they want it or not, and don't assume that just because 7 of 10 whms wont take gil that the other 3 wont. You know what they say? "When you assume you make an ..."
#15 Feb 23 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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WHMs charging for raises is definitely not wrong. IMO its greedy but that doesnt mean its wrong. Throughout my 75 crappy levels of WHM ive never once charged for a raise. Why? because 500 gil is nothing compared to doing something nice for someone else. But anyone who says charging for raise is wrong , then i will say be quiet. Not everyone knows how to make money so people will do what they can, and if that means charging for raises why not its their right just like its your right not to accept it.
#16 Feb 25 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a 52 pld and I think I should get to raise now that I have the ability too. I have trouble making money and this 500 gil thing may let me do something I can enjoy and get a little cash too. Send the word out on Quetz that Raises shall no longer be free.

ps. I tip when I get raised and say thank you.....^^^
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#17 Feb 25 2005 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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reading all of these together. i'd say the solution which would kind of help the dead and the whms and rdms. is if thier rude say ok 500 gil if they are super super nice and suck up to you alot, (which i love), and you r close raise em. im sure that you will get a favor back. i have a true story, i actually came all the way from jueno to valkrum raised a guy he was very kind also and said he will repay me one day. couple of months later we r partying in CN and he buys me phalanx. which was 100k!!!
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#18 Feb 25 2005 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My solution is if someone harasses you to raise a dead body, you go switch to a job with tractor and drag their body around into high aggro places until their pt shuts up. Muahaha.

J/K

Anyway, I plan to request a nominal party fee if its a whm that died because whm shouldn't really die that often unless their a total nub pt (barring the occasional gobbie). I think 500g for first raise, 1k for second, and so on till they either set hp or learn to not die so often. As a Galka PLD, I'll be needing to rest to full MP before I can even cast a Raise, so I don't want to bother with it while I'm in a zone where I see shouts "OMFG, can s0me1 ra1se 0ur mage!?!" literally every five minutes, and commonly by the same people.
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#19 Feb 26 2005 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I know what you mean, Raise leaves me with 50 mp, lol. BTW hiya Taurothar, tis I Rokin your LS mate.
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#20 Mar 09 2005 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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tractor only works if you accept it, if the person doesn't accept it then u just wasted your mp
#21 Mar 09 2005 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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charging 500 gil is not wrong but i don't really accept it. there has been plety of time where i have no accepted money but thats just me. i just feel since i am a whm to me its my job to raies people and if they want to pay me i choose freely to accept it or not but i do it casue its the right think to do and i have "morals" to do this for free but hey thats just me...
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#22 Mar 10 2005 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a very touchy subject in itself. Some people don't have the money pay for raises. (I know 500gil is not that much, but if your a newb it can add up.) I have a Whm at lvl 30 right now and raise for free most of the time. I don't mind if no one tips.

However...

Things that do peeve me off is when people don't even say thank you. I don't like being treated as someones personal pheonix down, unless I volunteer for it. Another thing I don't like is when your in a party and you get multiple requests from the same PT that someone died and "they need you RIGHT NOW!" I mean come on, we have to level too, were not there just to make sure YOUR party LIVES. We're there to make sure OUR party doesn't DIE. And then when you say "wait a minute" or just plain "NO!" they get mad and call you a newb or a bad Whm. I have a list myself (not the blacklist, I don't like usuing that) that has peoples names on it. The people on the list are people who will never be raised by me in the future. I do give 2nd chances however.

In short, I don't think that it should be enforced that we people have to pay 500 gil for a raise. I think it should be free plus tips. The raise should be counted on merit, not gil.
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#23 Mar 11 2005 at 6:42 AM Rating: Default
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(Umm....) 500 gil for a raise.... Sure if it was a friend, I'd donate, but you are the most hated person in the server. What does that f after cody mean? Codyfag? CodyF???er?
#24 Mar 27 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't this post prove that Roofie is thinking about it... I'm not sure correct me if im wrong.
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cody i ptied with u
if u dont feel like raiseing any1 type the following : /anon

simple as that
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#26 Mar 28 2005 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a WHM's job to raise people?? Since when? See i was under the understanding that a whm's job was to keep their party members HP as full as possible, cast haste, remove ailments, and all that other fun stuff. It's news to me that my job has been changed from all the things I used to do, to now just running around raising people. When did this happen? Maybe I didn't read the memo?? Is it posted somewhere in the whm's union?

I'm sorry people I must have been mistaken. I sure thought that raise was a spell. A spell I paid hard earned gil for, so that if for whatever reason someone in my party died, I could save time and exp loss from them having to home point and come all the way back to where ever the party is at. Like I said I must have been mistaken.

Then again maybe not? I mean maybe when someone asks me for a raise and tells me it's my job, maybe I can say blow it out your ***? Maybe just because I am a whm I don't have to put up with that crap? Maybe I am not at your beck and call? Maybe I have things that need to be done just like everyone else who plays this game? Maybe just maybe, I don't like being taken for granted or used at your convience? Maybe if all whms stopped giving free raises or tele's for a week people who do these things might think twice about it? Maybe not? Guess you will just have to ask and find out.

As for sucking up and kissing *** for a raise? I find that just as annoying as people who say it's my job to raise them. I don't expect someone to bow and kiss my feet for a raise. I saved you some exp loss not given you a million gil. I am not so blind that I can't see through all that *** kissing. There are plenty of people who help me out with the things I need to do. So if I have free time I usually send it helping them in whatever way I can. So if I am close by and you need a raise, ask nicely, I am sure if i'm not busy stopping to raise you wont be a problem. In the same breath don't expect me to travle across vana'del to raise you and not be paid for my cost to get there and time.

Everyone sure knows how to ask for a favor from a whm, either a tele or a raise, or even help on some mission or quest, or even help with your AF. I see countless whm's shouting for help to get what they need done. How many of you people that so freely take a raise are out there helping them? If you want to ***** about the possibility of paying for a raise, keep that in mind next time you see some poor whm begging for help that dispite offering every bit of gil they own to get it, doesn't seem to come. Go tell that poor person "It's their job" to raise you. Lol see how well that works out for you.
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u have the magic spell "Raise" therefore your suposed to raise someone if you please.. liek saying my job is not to SATA give me a fking break, if your in a party and charge someone who dies 500 gil to raise them while trying to save ur *** u got some problems.. if u charge someone gil to raise them period, u got problems. they ask for a raise because of a simple mistake, (they forget to set HP) you can at least give them 35 seconds of ur ime to raise them. and if they dont thank u, they r un thakfull bastaard

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#28 Mar 29 2005 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Who the **** would charge their own party member's for a raise? I mean **** if I could get away with that I'd just sit in a party all day and let people die, then charge to raise them. Think about what you just said, maybe you can see how stupid you look.

As for SATA being your job? If your a thief in the party thats what thf is designed to do. If your not doing your job in the party, or playing your role so to speak, you should and will be replaced. That simple.

Your trying to talk about apples when we talking about oranges little man. It's never a WHM's job to raise their party members for one simple reason. It's the whm's job to keep their party alive. Therefor you shouldn't have to raise them, unless the whm or someone in the party isn't doing their job.

Thf doesn't have any magic spells unless they are subbing NIN and use Utici. Is it your job to do that? No, it's your choice, and makes pulling safer for a thf. Thf's do however get the ability of Treasure Hunter and TH2. So if your trying to tell me it's my job to raise you, that is just like saying it's your job as a thf to come help me farm for whatever items I need whenever I message you up and ask for help. Free of charge I might add. Everyone who has reached the level 50 and has to do genkai sure knows the value of thf and their TH. Think about all the countless hours a thf spends lfg. Once someone wants to unlock the summoner job or get genkai done they sure know how to invite a thf to their party. So i guess this is your job mr.thf? You started this game not to play for yourself, but to sit around and be used by others whenever it fits their needs, right?

Good info to know. I will keep this in mind. Let me know if you ever make it out of the dunes so the next time I need to farm some clothcraft items I can message you up. You can farm for hours for me, help me get items and I wont pay you for your time or help.

Next time you want to make an arguement on this issue of why a whm is suppost to rasie people who are not in their party, maybe you will take the time to think of an actual good reason and not make yourself look like such a fool.
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Howdy folks! Smiley: smile

I have to tell ya, I am an undying advocate for /anon. I mean, seriously, whms have to answer a lot more /tells than just the raise requests({Party}{Location of your choice here}?, Powerlevel me?, Help {Sneak} me through (Horrible Place A) to complete (Ridiculously Beyond my Level Quest B)?, I could go on . . .), and /anon is quite simply the easiest way to avoid ALL random /tells when you're otherwise engaged.

As to charging for a raise, you'll never see that happen from me, though I might turn you down and see if I can't spot someone closer(in the same zone at least). I'm also not averse to accepting donations for my trouble, but I neither demand nor expect them for my services.

In answer to the money-making dilemma, that most whms face - our cloak spells(Invisible, Sneak, Deodorize) make mining an option for us long before some other jobs ever get the chance.
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#30 Mar 29 2005 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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Howdy folks! Smiley: smile

I have to tell ya, I am an undying advocate for /anon. I mean, seriously, whms have to answer a lot more /tells than just the raise requests({Party}{Location of your choice here}?, Powerlevel me?, Help {Sneak} me through (Horrible Place A) to complete (Ridiculously Beyond my Level Quest B)?, I could go on . . .), and /anon is quite simply the easiest way to avoid ALL random /tells when you're otherwise engaged.

As to charging for a raise, you'll never see that happen from me, though I might turn you down and see if I can't spot someone closer(in the same zone at least). I'm also not averse to accepting donations for my trouble, but I neither demand nor expect them for my services.

In answer to the money-making dilemma that most whms face - our cloak spells(Invisible, Sneak, Deodorize) make mining an option for us long before some other jobs ever get the chance.
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#31 Mar 30 2005 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah that's all well and good for a low level whm, to become a miner. As you get higher in level those this doesn't really bring home the bacon so to speak. If you mine 24-7 with all that competetion in maybe a week you might earn 100-200k.

Have you looked at the cost to be a high level whm lately? Raise3 for the unlucky whm's before us was upto 3mil gil on many servers. On our's its now down to about 800k-1mil. Just for a raise spell. Not many whm's will be lucky enough to get a noble's tunic or the +1. The tunic is about 10mil and the +1 was 20mil last time I looked in the AH. The cloth needed to make these are about 5-7mil alone. With the cost of being a miner and after AH tax your looking at maybe a year of mining. No thanks.

I personally have never said pay me this much gil or I wont raise you, but a whm shouldn't have to ask in the first place. A thankyou and an amount of gil depending on what type of situation the whm is putting themself in, should be a customary practice of all people who ask for a raise. If you don't have the gil and nobody will pay for it then home point.

Lastnight is a perfect example of what I am talking about. My party went to Kuftal tunnel to fight some tigers for exp. We were there before anyone else came. Our Blm DC'd. While waiting for him to get online another party show'd up. The majority of that party didn't want to camp on top of us, since it is not only rude, but also since the monster's do an AOE paralyze is dangerous for both parties.

Two rude member's of that party decided that they didn't care and decide to pull and fight monster's on top of us. Since we had a Nin, Drk, and War for melee we didn't have a real puller. The drk though risked death on every pull and was our puller. When he got agro he had just enough time to run back to the camp without "claiming" the monster or he would have died. This rude party's thf thought I was rather funny to steal our monster and exp. Although what he did wasn't "against the rules of SE" it is behavior socially unacceptable.

What goes around comes around, I am a frim believer of this. Once again I was not let down, as thier party was wiped out by a Ladon, looks like Guiver's little brother. Thier Brd and Thf were the rude people in that party. The brd warped out, didnt see the whm, but was happy my blm friend managed to warp out alive also. Two dead bodies were left for us to dance happily on, and a beaten up Ladon for us to kill. I even got my level off it.

Now in this case I could have been the "bigger man", well in my case woman, and raised them. Their whm was not comming back to raise them, atleast not to my knowldge. Suddenly now that they needed something from us the said they were sorry and they didn't want to camp on top of us. Still didn't stop them from doing it, or killing stolen exp. I bet they were sorry, but why should I care? There isn't enough gil from all the players on every server combined to even make me give them a Raise1, let alone raise2 or 3.

Anyone who knows me, knows that I like to helpout friends whenever I can. If I am asked for help from someone who isn't a close friend, in a nice way, I try to help when I have the time. As my NIN said it best to me the other day though and I quote "I hope I never get on your bad side, it's a demon". I found it rather funny since it was not only very true but 100% accurate. So why should I be left there having to make that choice of to raise or not to raise?

Part of me felt really bad for them and wanted to raise them.
On the other hand, the whole reason why I am so crass and cold towards people I don't know, the whole reason I am very sarcastic and sometime mean (mean but truthful), is that we as people have to put up with enough crap in the real world. Why should I have to take it here? Isn't that the whole reason we are paying our 15-20 bucks a month for? So that we have a few hours of enjoyment, away from all that bs? Some people drink, others smoke crack, some play FF, everyone has their "thing". Some of them use it to escape reality, while others just enjoy it.

Point is why should I reward someone for "bad behavior" for lack of a better word. If it's my job as a whm to raise them, then I am sure I am the evil whm who wouldn't raise them, as I am sure they try to tell people and have them believe. Then again maybe they might think twice next time before they act this way towards some other poor party just trying to get exp.

It was nice that their whm messaged me up and said that he was sorry for that and it was only a few people in the party not everyone. Like I said my freind was their Blm so I already knew. It was a nice thing to do none the less.

When this type of thing happens daily in all server's I am sure, how could anyone question a whm asking for gil to take time out of their day to raise someone? I am always /anon, and don't ask for gil to raise someone, but also don't see anything wrong with a whm doing so. I personally think that it really sucks that this is what it has come to. That poor Pld didn't do anything but his job and paid the price of his party's actions. That's just how life is sometimes I guess.

90% of whm's are not greedy, and probally like to help, same as I do. The maybe 10% that are greedy and trying to make a profit off other's misfortunes I hope don't last long as a whm. Really though I don't see any other way to deal with this issue. Many people turn a blind eye, just as if someone was getting mugged or rapped. They may stop to watch for a minute or two, but quickly go on with their own business. I think peoples own morals play a part in how they choose to play their game.

To me I don't think the real issue is not a whm charging for a raise or not. It's why has things gotten to the point where a whm would charge for a raise? I don't know the answer to that question, or more importantly the solution to the problem. So really what other option does a whm have? I have been on both sides of a raise. Maybe the whm's who charge for a raise are doing so to fight back against all those times they have been ripped off, taken for granted, or some other reason. I can't say why since I am not them. It's clear though that many are charging for a raise or atleast considering it from the posts on this thread and other posts on the whm job forum.

Like I said before, it makes me sad that it has come to this, but really what can you do?
#32 Apr 02 2005 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd just like to say that I feel WHMs are "HEROS".
In my mind a "HERO" is someone that shows selflessness in times of "true" need. The WHM that uses their 2hr without hesitation. The WHM that stops to raise the random body. And above all, the WHM that travels/searches to raise a stranger they've never met. There are those of us out there who /SALUTE you HEROS! That said.. keeping in mind that Tele's are a service these HEROS offer to fund their supergear ^^ and whatnot, I offer my 2 cents ^.-

"Being a HERO isn't always easy. Sadly, if the deeds that define a true hero start to come with a cost then they no longer are a dead but become a service. HEROS do not provide services in times of need, HEROS produce deads."

Some may not be able to grasp this idea ;^^;

Need a raise? Send Torqued a /tell. Keep your checkbook at home.

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At any rate, everyone show respect where respect is due. WHMs, for the most part, are true HEROS. /SALUTE



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#33 Apr 02 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Good point and even better arguement. I agree with the things you have said. I feel it's the first real valid arguement of why a whm shouldn't charge for a raise. Maybe the key point you hit on is respect? Not just respect for one type of job, but all jobs and all the other people who are playing this game. Seems we could use alot more of this.

That is also where I run into the problem with what you have said. It is a thin line between love and hate, and even thinner between Hero and fool. Where do you draw that line in the sand?
How many good "deads" as you call em (lol /poke) does a whm do before they to themself's become bitter and jaded? How many times do you let other's step on you and take advantage of your kindness, before you put your foot down? Isn't a random act of kindness just that? A random act, not the expected?

Show me one WHM who believe's it is their job to run around all day and help other's out and raise people. I will then show you a liar. I could understand maybe someone who has taken everyjob to 75, who has done every mission and quest in the game, and who has more gil then they can hold to maybe want to do something like this.

SE made this game so that we would have to work together, and help each other out. So it is really sad to see the lack of respect for your fellow players that occures in this game. To see how peoples greed and own self delusions have ripped apart the joy and fun that this game used to be about.

I don't know about you, but I don't mind doing a good deed every now and then. I will not however play the fool and let people take advantage of my kindness.

So once again I ask you. Where do you draw that line in the sand? Where "Hero" turns into Fool.
#34 Apr 03 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd have to say there is no true line or even grey area when it comes to being a true hero. Balls to bone, you either are a true hero or are not. A hero cannot be made the fool by traveling to raise someone, then find they've already been taken care of. The fool will always be those who do not respect what a true WHM hero has to offer. The fools are those people that EXPECT or DEMAND to be saved and assume its every WHMs duty. RESPECT is whats missing, something I do not feel is replaced or suplemented with 500 gil. Possibly a movement aimed towards proper "raising edicate" should be made. Much like the "<Blind> <Invites> = <No thanks!>". There has to be a way to stress, to even new players, that what WHMs are doing is above and beyond the call of duty. ^^


I /SALUTE you WHMs!


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#35 Apr 09 2005 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
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KOLID Codyf is the most hated person in the game? hes my best friend!
Weird huh?
Anyways I agree with this. I went to the dunes once and about 4 people asked me for a raise at the same time.
Well I chose one which was a mistake

I went to go raise someone and there he was, dead. So I was going to do the normal thing and raise him. His name was fums.
Well, when I was done with the spell. . . 150 MP WASTED He not only declined it, but returned to his homepoint. Which just HAPPENED to be in Selbina. Oh well.
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#36 Apr 11 2005 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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When I was talking about fools, it was about whms becoming fools.

There are many things I get asked to help out with daily as a whm. Come raise me, we need a whm for promy or dynamsis, help me get my coffer key, genkai 1 paper, ect. I just find it odd that so many people know to send a tell and ask for help, yet rarely do these same people return the favor.

That's what I am talking about when I say some people will use whm's to get what they need done. I think it is foolish to help people over and over again without getting any help in return from them. It's not that I believe if I help someone that they owe me something. However If you feel that you can consistantly msg me up whenever you need a favor, I should be able to do the same.

Most of the people posting here seem to be lower level players. Since they mostly talking about raising in the dunes. So it will be harder for them to fully understand what I am saying since its like 40-60 levels above them. As you go higher in the game you will see how things change.

As for the lack of respect and making a point to people, I think that people charging for a raise makes a pretty clear statement that something is wrong. Granted there probally are a few greedy whm's who are just trying to make gil by doing this. Maybe it's some of our local retards trying to one up their loser friends, in the battle to be the most hated. I doubt that this will be the case of the majority of whm's who charge for a raise.

Another thing is most people at the higher levels usually have enough respect and understanding of the game that they already know to offer gil for a raise. That or they have a friend who is a whm who will come raise them, they don't need to stand around (well in that case lay around since they are dead) and bother people for a raise.
#37 Apr 11 2005 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL....fun how this topic has wondered a bit, but I wanted to reply to Moev's post.

I'm the sort of person who would promise to help someone get the Ninja flag or do a quick AF run if I have the time, and not even ask for or just turn down any payment. It is my hope that they would "pay it forward" and maybe in a small way people would get a bit more polite...heaven knows we need it (I got yelled at to "stop training" in the Citidel because my party killed a Fallen Mage that was pulled by an inconsiderate thief--who was obviously not with me for being 10 levels lower--to the entrance...very very odd).

But I have had an experience where I helped out a group of people from Level 1 do everything...from missions, to AF quests, to everything. And now they are the same level as I am...they're too good to even talk to me, let alone invite me to xp or anything. I'm starting to understand why some of my high-level friends are so hesitant to help out people. It seems as if it's not worth it sometimes.

Edited, Mon Apr 11 17:18:53 2005 by DarleneFFXI
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#38 Apr 11 2005 at 6:57 PM Rating: Default
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Do you have the party members pay u 500 gil? Because what if the guy is like one of those people who don't pay once they get raised? like ya know the British kind?

Britain Stinks. Literally. Tell me when there's one sunny day in London.
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#39 Apr 11 2005 at 7:00 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not sure anymore, its a whm's job to raise people in their party I guess. it doesnt hurt to MPK the guy if he doesnt say thank you, then say "well you know what? I guess i messed up, here let me trade you 5k. . . oh wait! your dead! ha! thats too bad i guess." Get on a chocobo, step all over him then get off then MPK someone near him.

No. . . i didnt do that. .. .

. .. .stop. . . i didnt. . .
...well maybe once. . .
Shut up!
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#40 Apr 11 2005 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not sure anymore, its a whm's job to raise people in their party I guess. it doesnt hurt to MPK the guy if he doesnt say thank you, then say "well you know what? I guess i messed up, here let me trade you 5k. . . oh wait! your dead! ha! thats too bad i guess." Get on a chocobo, step all over him then get off then MPK someone near him.

No. . . i didnt do that. .. .

. .. .stop. . . i didnt. . .
...well maybe once. . .
Shut up!
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#41 Apr 13 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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First off Pande your my favorite ****** lol. Your posts are just funny.

I don't think this posting has strayed off topic at all. This issue is to charge or not for a raise. I have pointed out several reasons why not just whms but alot of high level players wont help. If they do help it is only for gil.

Darlene it's good that your starting to see why alot of us are like this. Just for the record almost daily i do my random act of kindness. Like I said in my last post as you get higher in levels you will see for yourself what I am talking about.
#42 Apr 15 2005 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I suppose I don't charge for a raise, though I would accept payment for a chocobo or some such. And if my LS sends out a call for a raise, I've been known to travel very far (I think the most interesting was to half-moon area inside the canal...got there in one sneak) to rescue a friend. But moreover, I only raise people if they tell me they want it--I just hate casting raise on someone who would refuse it. Or even worse, someone who's afk and will soon HP. And I've grown to the opinion that I will not raise someone in a party who decided they didn't want to invite a white mage.

What I find annoying are people who come up to me out of the blue and demand powerleveling, gil or whatever. Honestly, pl'ing is so annoying, I'd only do it for people who are good friends. But I will not help someone who will not help themselves too... how many have heard "farming takes too long...." from a begger?
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#43 Apr 15 2005 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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See your talking about a LS member or a friend. That's a whole other story to me. I talking about some random person I don't know, who wants a raise. I don't charge my friends for tele's, and if I charged for a raise I wouldn't charge someone I knew well.

Can't say that I have heard alot from beggers since I tend to blacklist them asap.
#44 Apr 17 2005 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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Ls members...*shiver*

I had an LS member who wouldnt stop annoying me, because i said once that i was busy and couln't help her. OMFG SHE FLIPPED! Once I was in Eldieme Neorcrops (whatever) and then she started talking about something about...i dont know i wasnt listening... anyways out of nowhere she wants me to get her all of the kazham keys. -.- i said sry, cant, busy. SHE GOES WILD and makes her own LS that has a really corny name

im sweating because its such nice weather outside, what do u think the weather will be tomorrow?

Moogles are too small to carry all the furniture from country to country...moo

*tries to change the subject*
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I hate Cowbla PTed with her the other night trying to level my WAR the first thing she does it get a link of pugs. She got so many people killed a few hours before because she drew huge chains that made some zone out into Qufim. I was like wtf they were lucky they had a PL because one guy died like 5 times in 10 minutes.
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#46 Apr 29 2005 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
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Colbwa? Big Jerk. I think I said that he was cool, PSSH. Funny thing happened though.

I was selling Leaping Boots and he said ok i'll take them. When I was about to trade iwth ihm he says "oooo ha nvm i didnt know I had leaping boots already!"

Funny thing happened next.

Some guy had offered me 5 million gil for them, because I had once PLed him for free a lot, so i Said CTRL R 5 MIL GIL, YOU SERIOUS?

Turns out the reply went to Colbwa :)

Then, i was telling my friend, qqwerty, that I just got 4 million gil for him (since i give everything to him) Turns out I pressed CTRL R too many times and it went to Colbwa AGAIN!

So I'm glad he was being a jerk to me. Perfect timing Colbwa. Thanks again!
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#47 Apr 30 2005 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a 43 WHM and don't charge for raises unless it's so far out of my way I'd need to chocobo over there. Any WHM who charges for a raise is a greedy n00b who can't make money any other way.

If you want to exploit your job (yes, that's what charging for raises is) then go Tele-Taxi. I'm not saying Tele's should be free but if I'm going to Dem, Holla or Mea and I see people shouting I'll tele them for free since it's not out of my way.

I do agree with the OP's point of not having to be /anon everywhere. Though if I'm busy I just politely respond {I'm sorry, I'm busy right now.} and go on with my buisness.

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#48 Apr 30 2005 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I do agree with the OP's point of not having to be /anon everywhere. Though if I'm busy I just politely respond {I'm sorry, I'm busy right now.} and go on with my buisness.


Exactly. The perfect response to a situation where someone asks for a raise and you can't/won't give them one: {I'm sorry. I'm busy now.}

Or better yet, you could put in your search comment: {Raise} {I'm sorry. I'm busy now.} {Take care.}

Then you could just head off the raise tells altogether, at least for the people who bother reading search comments (surprisingly few).

Edited, Dec 28th 2006 4:15pm by bismarckmajivo
#49 May 02 2005 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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You think that would be enough wouldn't you? Still people ask anyway, or after you say no the ask again and again. Your a 42 whm... Like I said before to other people, the game changes as you get higher in levels. You will findout for yourself if when you make it that high.

Go pay 3 mil for raise 3 like alot of whms had to do, then tell me you think getting paid for a raise is exploiting your job. 3mil is probally worth more then all your gear. I've got 10Mil of gear on my back and its just ok gear. Need 20mil more to have good gear.

So getting 500gil to raise someone is nothing to me. The amount isn't the point even. It's a respect thing. Not some fake thanks so much or your the best. Something you have to show for wasting your time to do someone else a favor. I've been personally given from 500gil - 1.2mil for a raise. Never asked for it, but I'd be stupid not to take it.

Anyway this topic is old and boring now. See you again.
#50 May 03 2005 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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So you're saying because I need to spend more money to do my job right, I should abuse one of the few advantages to being a White Mage? Some may not call asking for, well in this case, demanding gil for a spell abusing your job. I do. If you have war as a main/sub and you see someone get aggro, would you demand gil after you provoke it off them? No, most wouldn't.

There's a large differance between talking about raising random people and raising people in xp pts and such. If you're a high level Whm and your in an xp pt and the tank dies OF COURSE you'd raise III him. If you walk by a random dead person in the dunes you'd use raise I. Don't take it out on newer people because high level gear/spells cost more.

Also, as to saying all my gear probably isn't worth 3mil, that's an illogical statement. That would be like me being angry because the levl 12 robe is worth more than the lvl 40 Ryl.Sqr. Robe.

Don't take me the woring way, I'm not saying you should do anything different. I'm also saying even if EVERY other Whm on ther server demands 500gil per raise, I still won't.

Edit; Raise III is currently going for 500k and there are two in the AH...

-Cyp

Edited, Wed May 4 15:30:40 2005 by CyprusFFXI
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#51 May 07 2005 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Your whole post was an "Illogical statement". As for your edit. I said go pay 3mil for a raise like some whms had to do, didn't say that was the current price. In 30 levels reread this post and see if you still feel the same way. Exp is even easier for you now.

Personally I could care less if whms charge or not for a raise. The only thing I've said is there are a ton of people who think it's a whm's job to raise them, which it is not. So I can totally see why some of them would start charging. If the person doesn't want to pay... then don't. Find a whm who will do it for free or homepoint.

With all the problems in the game in every server, like buying and selling of gil, it's funny how this is such a problem. People are willing to pay for a tele, coffer keys, genkai, and help with other things. I don't see how asking someone for a favor same as the other things are doing anything wrong or exploiting your job.

If your doing an OH run and need a Ninja you would pay them for their time and shihei's to help. So any ninja who does this is exploiting their job? No, and neither is a whm who asks to be paid for their time to raise someone.

Anyway now i'm very bored of this topic, so I am done with this thread. Bye.
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