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#1 Jan 27 2005 at 10:15 PM Rating: Default
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Ok this discussion has become pretty big in game with me and a bunch of other whm's. I have been in the dunes alot and have been giving raises to people for free and sometimes I get tips but sometimes I dont. A big reason im charging 500gil for a raise now is because im sick and tired of getting rude /tells saying Hey raise <pos>, Then while omw to raise I get 4 tells saying hey are you still coming? Finally arriving after searching for the person, They are raised already or I raise them and they run away without saying thank you or even kneeling for respect! If you want to say well then /anon, why should us whms have to go everywhere in anon? I think that if they know they are gonna have to pay 500gil for a raise then maybe they wont be as big of idiots in places like the dunes! If you are a whm and would like to charge 500gil for a raise then please do it helps us whms buy better equipment, Raise is not what a whm is supposed to do on there off time, ONLY IN PARTIES. So if you want a raise from me or some of the other whms then expect to pay 500gil for a raise now It is a service not a hey come and raise me its your job to do it!
#2 Jan 28 2005 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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500gil would be their punishment for not setting home point in selbina or dunes. I mean you don't loose that much xp when you die at that lvl. Plust it's way faster to hp. I would put a message in your comment that your charging so ppl don't act like it's some big surprise. I see this as a perfectly acceptable way to make money, just like the tele-taxi thing.
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#3 Feb 01 2005 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Codyf! Your that ******* who didn't raise me because you think I kicked you from a pt.
#4 Feb 01 2005 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
I agree with duff.
Got 4 /tells last night asking for raises in dunes while i was in plains farming elementals. All 4 were because their HP was in jeuno. So i started heading that way each time only to just to arrive to valkrum to get the /tell got a raise allready ty. For now on i wont demand payment but will make a comment saying tips will be gladly accepted.

Edited, Wed Feb 2 07:13:45 2005 by ajtaffy
#5 Feb 02 2005 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I wont Raise people in the Dunes half the time unless i know them. But the whole charging people for a raise thats fine.
#6Roofie, Posted: Feb 02 2005 at 9:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what kind of **** is that? i used to charge for raises and i got mass blisted for it
#7 Feb 02 2005 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
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Roofie you get mass blisted by just being yourself. Stay off these boards - I got you kicked from one already.
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#8Roofie, Posted: Feb 02 2005 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) technically i got myself kicked, u had nothing to do with it, all u did was start a thread saying u wanted me banned from qcdn, that wasnt the first thread or the first time sum1 asked to get me banned, dont think ur hot **** just cuz u started the last thread about getting me banned b4 i got banned, as for telling me to stay off these boards, well, i like these boards, i think ill stick around for awhile.
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Props to Foofighter for getting roofie banned from QCDN!!!

Roofie, why don't you start your own message boards where all the rejects go. You, Ethar, and Cowbla can have wonderful intellectual converstations and plot an evil takeover of vanadiel.
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#10 Feb 02 2005 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
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Believe me I can careless if you think I am hot **** or not, and you are right - you did get yourself banned. Just post a couple more times for me to rate and you will be filtered off these boards.
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#11 Feb 06 2005 at 11:36 PM Rating: Default
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here's one for ya kid, have fun thinking about me, go ahead and deny it, ur posts prove that u do :)
#12 Feb 10 2005 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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when I was playing whm, before that little light bulb dinged over my head and i realized I hated it, for a long time I had no way of making money at all. Mages are kinda weak and not able to farm as effectively at lower lvls. sure things started looking up at the time I got teleports but there's 11 lvls between 25 and 36 with lots of expensive spells to pay for and equipment not so expensive as melee equipment albeit but pretty **** expensive when you have no real source of income. I think its completely fair to ask for a little compensation for your time. Its not unreasonable to ask for 500 gil for searching for dead bodies (people are ALWAYS incredibly vague) raising and the time it takes to rest the 150 mp raise cost.

It is not our duty to raise people. we have lives and other more important things to do rather than waste our time running to every person that has died and forgotten to set HP close by, or worse yet, is complaining bitterly about a whole 200 xp loss. *cough*try3kyawhiner*cough* it's like walking down the street then /telling a War to walk halfway across the map to provoke something for you. and before you explode about that comment THINK about it first. it is EXACTLY like that.

seriously I don't see why people freak out so much when they are asked to pay for my time. the only time I will ever charge more than 500 gil is when I'm on a chocobo, I will ask for the 500 + whatever the chocobo cost me.
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#13 Feb 23 2005 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright .. I'm going to brave the flames and post my humble opinion here.

My first job was RDM. I leveled RDM to 18, then switched to WHM for subjob. Leveled WHM to 16, then back to RDM until 32. Bouced back again to do BLM and SMN until about 25 or so, then i hit back to RDM until about my 40s. I only include this little history because I want to let you know that Raise was a long time coming.

Now .. I have never, and would never, charge for a Raise. Raise = XP (granted, not much at that level but still), and not just by XP death pentalty, but time lost that could be used to get XP while someone runs back. (not from selb, but say Bastok)

Arguments? WHM needs $$$ .. well no more or less than any other job. Try keeping your spells up as RDM or BLM. Or keeping armor up for a PLD, or arrows for a RNG. All jobs cost money. It's part of the game. And most of us manage without charging for Raises.

Charging for taxi? That's fine. I do it myself. (WHM 38 as of last week. ^^) You're providing a LUXURY SERVICE .. and it's a lot of work to level up WHM/BLM to taxi .. any schmo can level a WHM to 25 in a week or less (some do it in a few days) .. not to mention that some of the scroll quests are a pain. Raise is a 5k spell you get early, and probably one of the ones you will use the most.

NEVER charge for a raise. Tips are alright (and i usually refuse them), but charging for a raise is selfish and crude. Think of all the times YOU got raised on your first/noob/early jobs. And all the times you've had a PT shout for raise in the Nest or Citadel because you didn't recruit a WHM.

If you're in/around the dunes, go /anon. If you're LFG while you farm, then don't /anon but if someone asks you you can say "No." It's simple, two keys and enter. If they start harrassing you, /blist add. Or the ultimate .. use the auto-translator. "<I'm Sorry> <I'm busy right now><I Don't Speak English>" .. how do you argue with that?

I remember when I had just hit 38 RDM, and I was running back to Selbina to get a spell or two when the raise requests came pouring in. I learned to use /anon real fast. ****, i once got called in from S.Gusta to do a raise in the Dunes. I told them "No." and i went on with my life.

Charging for a raise is wrong. If you can do it and get away with it, be my guest. But it's still wrong. And having fits because "I'm getting tells all the time because I'm not /anon" .. oh yea? I get /tells for invites all the time when I'M IN PT ALREADY @ 60 for my RDM. "Care to come level?" .. "<I'm Sorry> .. I already AM" .. does it get annoying? When it does, I /anon.

There are plenty of annoying things in this game. Learn to deal with them, and use the tools at your disposal. You have /anon and /blist for a reason. So please quit whining about it. Thank You.
#14 Feb 23 2005 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm. This is a tough one. Both sides make valid points. However I don't believe it's "wrong" to ask for gil for a raise, but Brig is right all you have to do is be /anon or say no if you don't want to. If it's not your party it's not your responsibility as a Whm to raise anyone. If I happen to run across someone and I am not busy I will raise them. Why charge for that? Was my choice to stop and help them out. Then again if someone messages me up and wants me to take time away from whatever I am doing just to come raise them why not be compensiated for my time or cost of chocobo?

To me it all depends on the situation at the time. For example the other night when I was given 40K to go raise to people who Guiver ate. Guiver killed one of them 3times while I was trying to raise them and get out of their. After the 3rd death they just home pointed. Does that mean I'm not intitled to the 40k for risking myself to death to go raise? For anyone who says no, I died on my way to help them and lost my level.

So like I said it all depends on the situation. Some whm whos hardup for gil who sits in the dunes charging for raises all day well I think thats kind of taking advantage of them but its not "wrong". The Whm has the right to ask for Gil, same as the person asking for the raise has the right to say no thanks I don't want to pay.

Usually Whm's deal with other Whm's who are doing boardline wrong stuff in their own way. How many times has some noobie whm who just got a few tele spells undercut your price for a tele? Best way to deal with that is give away free teles so nobody will make any Gil. I've done that and seen other's do it. So if someone is trying to take advantage of raise in a similar way i'm sure there would be a flock of whm's heading to that area to be handing out free raises.

Whm's should be helping each other instead of trying to compete with eachother. Whm Union anyone? The sad thing about this all is that a whm shouldn't even have to ask for gil for raising someone. It should be offered everytime. Let the whm decide if they want it or not, and don't assume that just because 7 of 10 whms wont take gil that the other 3 wont. You know what they say? "When you assume you make an ..."
#15 Feb 23 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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WHMs charging for raises is definitely not wrong. IMO its greedy but that doesnt mean its wrong. Throughout my 75 crappy levels of WHM ive never once charged for a raise. Why? because 500 gil is nothing compared to doing something nice for someone else. But anyone who says charging for raise is wrong , then i will say be quiet. Not everyone knows how to make money so people will do what they can, and if that means charging for raises why not its their right just like its your right not to accept it.
#16 Feb 25 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a 52 pld and I think I should get to raise now that I have the ability too. I have trouble making money and this 500 gil thing may let me do something I can enjoy and get a little cash too. Send the word out on Quetz that Raises shall no longer be free.

ps. I tip when I get raised and say thank you.....^^^
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#17 Feb 25 2005 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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reading all of these together. i'd say the solution which would kind of help the dead and the whms and rdms. is if thier rude say ok 500 gil if they are super super nice and suck up to you alot, (which i love), and you r close raise em. im sure that you will get a favor back. i have a true story, i actually came all the way from jueno to valkrum raised a guy he was very kind also and said he will repay me one day. couple of months later we r partying in CN and he buys me phalanx. which was 100k!!!
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#18 Feb 25 2005 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My solution is if someone harasses you to raise a dead body, you go switch to a job with tractor and drag their body around into high aggro places until their pt shuts up. Muahaha.

J/K

Anyway, I plan to request a nominal party fee if its a whm that died because whm shouldn't really die that often unless their a total nub pt (barring the occasional gobbie). I think 500g for first raise, 1k for second, and so on till they either set hp or learn to not die so often. As a Galka PLD, I'll be needing to rest to full MP before I can even cast a Raise, so I don't want to bother with it while I'm in a zone where I see shouts "OMFG, can s0me1 ra1se 0ur mage!?!" literally every five minutes, and commonly by the same people.
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#19 Feb 26 2005 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I know what you mean, Raise leaves me with 50 mp, lol. BTW hiya Taurothar, tis I Rokin your LS mate.
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#20 Mar 09 2005 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
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tractor only works if you accept it, if the person doesn't accept it then u just wasted your mp
#21 Mar 09 2005 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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charging 500 gil is not wrong but i don't really accept it. there has been plety of time where i have no accepted money but thats just me. i just feel since i am a whm to me its my job to raies people and if they want to pay me i choose freely to accept it or not but i do it casue its the right think to do and i have "morals" to do this for free but hey thats just me...
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#22 Mar 10 2005 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a very touchy subject in itself. Some people don't have the money pay for raises. (I know 500gil is not that much, but if your a newb it can add up.) I have a Whm at lvl 30 right now and raise for free most of the time. I don't mind if no one tips.

However...

Things that do peeve me off is when people don't even say thank you. I don't like being treated as someones personal pheonix down, unless I volunteer for it. Another thing I don't like is when your in a party and you get multiple requests from the same PT that someone died and "they need you RIGHT NOW!" I mean come on, we have to level too, were not there just to make sure YOUR party LIVES. We're there to make sure OUR party doesn't DIE. And then when you say "wait a minute" or just plain "NO!" they get mad and call you a newb or a bad Whm. I have a list myself (not the blacklist, I don't like usuing that) that has peoples names on it. The people on the list are people who will never be raised by me in the future. I do give 2nd chances however.

In short, I don't think that it should be enforced that we people have to pay 500 gil for a raise. I think it should be free plus tips. The raise should be counted on merit, not gil.
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#23 Mar 11 2005 at 6:42 AM Rating: Default
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(Umm....) 500 gil for a raise.... Sure if it was a friend, I'd donate, but you are the most hated person in the server. What does that f after cody mean? Codyfag? CodyF???er?
#24 Mar 27 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't this post prove that Roofie is thinking about it... I'm not sure correct me if im wrong.
#25 Mar 28 2005 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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cody i ptied with u
if u dont feel like raiseing any1 type the following : /anon

simple as that
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#26 Mar 28 2005 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a WHM's job to raise people?? Since when? See i was under the understanding that a whm's job was to keep their party members HP as full as possible, cast haste, remove ailments, and all that other fun stuff. It's news to me that my job has been changed from all the things I used to do, to now just running around raising people. When did this happen? Maybe I didn't read the memo?? Is it posted somewhere in the whm's union?

I'm sorry people I must have been mistaken. I sure thought that raise was a spell. A spell I paid hard earned gil for, so that if for whatever reason someone in my party died, I could save time and exp loss from them having to home point and come all the way back to where ever the party is at. Like I said I must have been mistaken.

Then again maybe not? I mean maybe when someone asks me for a raise and tells me it's my job, maybe I can say blow it out your ***? Maybe just because I am a whm I don't have to put up with that crap? Maybe I am not at your beck and call? Maybe I have things that need to be done just like everyone else who plays this game? Maybe just maybe, I don't like being taken for granted or used at your convience? Maybe if all whms stopped giving free raises or tele's for a week people who do these things might think twice about it? Maybe not? Guess you will just have to ask and find out.

As for sucking up and kissing *** for a raise? I find that just as annoying as people who say it's my job to raise them. I don't expect someone to bow and kiss my feet for a raise. I saved you some exp loss not given you a million gil. I am not so blind that I can't see through all that *** kissing. There are plenty of people who help me out with the things I need to do. So if I have free time I usually send it helping them in whatever way I can. So if I am close by and you need a raise, ask nicely, I am sure if i'm not busy stopping to raise you wont be a problem. In the same breath don't expect me to travle across vana'del to raise you and not be paid for my cost to get there and time.

Everyone sure knows how to ask for a favor from a whm, either a tele or a raise, or even help on some mission or quest, or even help with your AF. I see countless whm's shouting for help to get what they need done. How many of you people that so freely take a raise are out there helping them? If you want to ***** about the possibility of paying for a raise, keep that in mind next time you see some poor whm begging for help that dispite offering every bit of gil they own to get it, doesn't seem to come. Go tell that poor person "It's their job" to raise you. Lol see how well that works out for you.
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