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#1 Sep 07 2004 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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and here are some pictures for your enjoyment^O^

The 30 people that fought him:

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-groupshotcrop.jpg

reon popped him:

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-kirinfirstpop.jpg

i was really busy and only got a pic of the too weak genbu. kirin summoned the gods in this order: seiryu, byakko, genbu, suzaku:

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-genbufighting.jpg

then we got kirin to ourselves^o^

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-kirinfightingsmall.jpg

astral flow.. searing light... stupid carbuncle:

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-astralflowsmall.jpg

heres what we got after we owned it:

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-kirindeathcrop.jpg

i got kirins pole<_<

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/cravygravy-kirinpoleget.jpg

and thats that^O^ one more thing dont ask me for raises or teleports anymore >:o just playin<_<;

Edited, Tue Sep 7 15:28:01 2004 by cravygravy
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#2 Sep 07 2004 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey cravy Major props on killing Kirin, how many times you die? lol


So whats up with the New LS, still no room for me? i never get to do anything fun anymore :( wanted to join wild7 but ppl always say it full, maybe now since school start there is spot for me 74whm/blm/smn? im usually on @ the times when most high lvl na arent so maybe i can help out on off peak times or something.


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#3 Sep 07 2004 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Congratz W7, this is something to be proud of. :)
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Congrats!

I bet those fights were so fun ; ;
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Nice work.^^
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#6 Sep 07 2004 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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Holy crap, congrats guys :D
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#7 Sep 08 2004 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I would first like to say congrats. I would also like to point out that this was not an entirely NA defeat. Although W7 is mostly NA players there are several JP players in that fight that have had the game much longer than NA.

BTW can I get a raise in Valkrum? :P
#8 Sep 08 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Several JP in the shell/alliance or no, you gotta admit this is a huge accomplishment in the parts of NA on Phoenix.

Love you guys, congrats again :D
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#9 Sep 08 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Any time you defeat Kirin it is a great accomplishment, and doing so takes great teamwork. However if this was accomplished by all NA players, or at least players that have only been on since NA release then it's even more of an accomplishment. I am pretty sure that several of those players have kill Kirin before, and those are from the JP release.

The title of the thread is misleading, it points towards W7 being all NA, which it isn't and that an all NA team killed Kirin, which they didn't.

Don't get me wrong, it's freaking awesome that you guys killed it, and I am very happy for you. But, the topic is misleading and should be better defined.
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I disagree that the title is misleading at all. Had it been titled "Wildseven became the first ALL-NA group to defeat Kirin on Phoenix" your point would stand. There is nothing misleading in the title at all, the group was comprised mostly of NA players, and these mostly NA players were the first to beat Kirin on Phoenix. :-[
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#11 Sep 08 2004 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Call this a hunch, but I think someone's jealous.
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#12 Sep 08 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL first ", and these mostly NA players were the first to beat Kirin on Phoenix" this was not the first time Kirin was defeated on Phoenix. Wildseven is a mix of NA and JP release players, they should be proud they won, **** I would be too and getting help from people that already killed him seems smart. Just let me know when you defeat it with an entire group of NA release players and I will be even more thrilled for you ^^!


As for being jealous, yes I am jealous I have not fought Kirin yet, but I also have not taken actions to do that yet. I will in the future. Am I jealous Wildseven killed it before my LS? Not at all, Wildseven is comprised of much more experienced players(quite few have had since JP release). I am glad Cravy and Sectorseven and the other W7 players that are NA release got Kirin. And wish you even more luck in the future! Remember, Kirin is by no means a omfg I didn't claim it type of mob ;).
#13 Sep 08 2004 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
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You misunderstood what I wrote. I think you missed the part in the sentence where I wrote NAs.

Edited, Wed Sep 8 21:41:24 2004 by pezzish
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#14 Sep 08 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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^^ congratulations!
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Congratulations guys!! lol **** man if I didn't level up slow, and lvld other jobs I wish I could have participated with you!! lol anyways, Good Job and Congratulations again!!^^
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someone always gotta turn a thread into a flame thread. yes there are jpn in our LS, there is jpn in every NA HNMLS. and i didnt say we were the first NA HNMLS to beat Kirin. cause we are about 60% NA 40% JPN. but that still doesnt take away the fact that 13 or 14 NA people were the first ones to defeat Kirin on this server. get the **** off this thread if your going to be *** about something small like that. and thanks for the comment also^o^

Edited, Wed Sep 8 22:25:35 2004 by cravygravy

Edited, Wed Sep 8 22:27:42 2004 by cravygravy
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#17 Sep 09 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Thu Sep 9 15:39:11 2004 by HakujinQuinn
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Edited, Thu Sep 9 15:39:24 2004 by HakujinQuinn
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Gratz guys! (b``)b
(Sheesh I hit the button once and 3 msg's pop up >.<)

Edited, Thu Sep 9 15:39:48 2004 by HakujinQuinn
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#20 Sep 09 2004 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok what the **** now...

Salty gets bashed and rated down just because he's trying to make a point? What kind of disgraceful players are you?
I have a lot of respect for every player on this server, Wild Seven included, and I congratulate you for your accomplishments, that Kirin fight must make you really proud.

But being proud of something that big doesn't give you the right to think you're superior to someone, and you still owe that person respect and recognition. Salty DID bring a good point up though... on the several screenshots that Cravy posted (which are nice btw), you can easily spot a LOT of Japanese players, some of which we know have played for a very long time and have some of the top notch equipment in the same (see Sevenstar who owns a Kraken Club and Kirin's Osode).

Just take a look at that Searing Light damage picture..

Satire
Leizer (not sure)
Farah
Reonharuto
Hary
Sevenstar
Kraus
Fairladyz

That's 8 japanese people on a 18 people alliance, not counting the others that would be around watching the fight.. to me that doesn't sound much like a NA linkshell ;) Cravy, that's not 13-14 NA people, that would be 9-10 :)

I'm pretty sure a crapload of players from this list have fought Kirin once before.. so please, before bashing Salty down and making him look like a bubble popper, just try to understand what he means.

I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you, on the contrary, just like myself, he's very proud of your accomplishments, and wished you only the best.

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#21 Sep 09 2004 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow! Congrats to everyone who did this. I've seen a few of the people who killed Kiren running around on the server.
Congrats on getting Kiren's pole.
Keep up the hard work!
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#22 Sep 09 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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/wave Boumbo !!!

The whole business about whether or not there were Japanese in the party doesn't really matter. Just because they fought Kirin before doesn't mean they'll havea better chance every time following. It all depends on the team adn the team work as mentioned. As for the Jpn player count, It is to my knowledge that often players are brought and subbed in and out of alliance during Kirin fight. Just something I've read from other's Kirin adventures in posts etc.

THat's So **** cool though. I feel like I'm on the last level of "Zombies Ate my Neighbors" (Sega Genisis? anyone? awesome game!)
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#23 Sep 09 2004 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Congrats guys!

And... Satire is JP? Since when? o_O
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#24 Sep 09 2004 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
Hi everyone. =)

I rarely post to the message boards here (but I usually do read them). I just wanted to thank you all for the congrats.

Personally, I'm proud to be a member of Wild7, especially after defeating Kirin. Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether or not we were the first, or whether or not we are a NA group. Everyone worked extremely hard ... it was a tough battle ... but we pulled through.

To address some other concerns--as Cravy said, we are about 60% NA and 40% JP, and that is by choice. We all have fun together, and that is all that is really important. For the record, however, even for many of our JP members, it was their first time killing Kirin as well (at least, it was judging from the fact that they asked to be in the final alliance for the title too ... unfortunately, we didn't have enough spots in the final alliance to accomodate everyone who wanted a title ;;). Also, keep in mind that there were 30 people participating in the battle. The 18 member list at the time is just a glimpse of the people who were switching in and out depending on their status. Either way, I personally feel it was no less of an accomplishment. I really don't like to brag, but I felt it was necessary to address a few issues that came up here.

On a related note, I just wanted to thank Manatra for her help. Manatra came just to observe, but she ended up helping tremendously with raises, and she ended up dying herself as often, if not more often, than the rest of us. She deserves a lot of credit too.

Thanks for your time. =)
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#25 Sep 10 2004 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
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oh, nice! Congratulations!
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#26 Sep 10 2004 at 8:43 AM Rating: Default
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For people who are unfamiliar with the Phoenix NA HNM LS demography, there was originally EndOfNM (which later broke up and its members splitted across Dawn and WildSeven) and AwakenSouls.

Historically NA HNM LS on Phoenix has almost always included help from local JP players (such as Hary). The one possible exception to this is AwakenSouls, which to the best of my knowledge, only recently began to get help from Chinese LS. Alexnader and his crews were from a Chinese LS called ChaosLegion, which later became Assassin. (And to the best of my knowledge, Assassin has not yet obtained help from JP players, possibly due to personal conflicts between its leader and the various local HNM LS).

On a side note, WildSeven also obtains help from Chinese LS as well. Zedy has been a famous figure among the Chinese circle and from what I heard, he contributed greatly to the success of WildSeven.

So I think a more accurate title is "TheWildSeven became the first international LS to defeat Kirin on Phoenix" due to the various international collaboration and involvement. And it would be improper to imply that TheWildSeven gets to the current stage without recognizing these contribution.
#27 Sep 10 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Default
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yay~ it's Sykes! ^^ {/wave}

Taking down Kirin is always a noteworthy undertakind no matter what group you do it with, so definately a {Congradulations!} to you guys ^^

mm.. the current NA HNMLS community here (Phoenix) still has much room for improvement, but it's also relatively young compared to others on servers elsewhere.
... Chinese players? o_0 being one myself, i've yet to see any others aside from one in our LS and the dreadful IGE maggots -_-;

Satire *IS* jp!! ... at least his quirkyness is~ (*^-^)/
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Eltia's last statement is exactly the point I was trying to make.

I didn't mean to 'rain on your parade' but I just wanted you to recognize the help that you got. Cravy's post implies it's NA LS, it's not it's NA/JP release LS. It's still sweet you guys killed Kirin and I did recognize your accomplishment.

Anyways, I love the rate downs, it makes me laugh. OMFG NO I AM HATED ON THE ALLAKHAZAM NUB FORUMS!! (RUN AWAY!)

BTW - Cravys a hater, he knows I'm pimp and just can't stand it. It eats him constantly, sorry Cravy, better luck next time :P.
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Wow I love this!! I want to see a Chinese Vs. Japanese Ballista match!! It'd be like the Olympics/ gang war! Good TIMES!!
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; ; ...... proud for ya cravy, sad because at one point in time i pted with half of the ppl there... but due to circumstances everyone i use to pt with has outlvled me ; ; but oh well. grats on the accomplishment
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Hehe,

I just read all the comments and Salty, its pretty obvious your not just trying to make a point.

Clearly from your last post you don't like Cravy.

I'd just like to say I'm proud to be in Wildseven and I would like to thank Cravy for takin screenshots so I have something to remember my first Kirin fight.
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im never posting anything on these forums about our ls ever again. you all are the biggest **** cry babies about everything. what i meant by the title was all the NA in wildseven became the first NA to defeat kirin. also these people are just like us. with the exception of 5-6 members, not one of them had fought the gods before. and less then 5-6 had fought kirin. and for eltia zedy wasnt evne at kirin. in fact he hasnt been to a god battle in a month+. he is busy at work. why dont all you people that want to complain about my title, throw together a random group of half jpn, a couple chinese, and half NA. then go fight kirin and tell me how you do. your taking away the fact that this LS with their teamwork beat kirin. and assassin isnt even a HNMLS. all they do is steal HNMs. King Behemoth and Simurgh on their list so far. jesus christ im never posting here again. there is so much more i would like to say, but i forgot so many people i know from this thread and i dont want to **** anymore people off. if you want to tell me something, /tell me in game. then i know who to blist better. thanks.

Edited, Mon Sep 13 03:05:29 2004 by cravygravy
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#33 Sep 13 2004 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Fatman I have no issues with Cravy or any members of Wildseven. I was merely trying to clear up something that seemed a little vague, but then I got jumped on so felt I had to defend myself.

PS - You can add Aquarius to that last ~.^
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Congratulations to everyone!! Beat em down!
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The title of this thread is "TheWildSeven became the first NA to defeat Kirin on Phoenix". My understanding is that "TheWildSeven" is a LS (i.e. a group of people). So when you say "TheWildSeven became the first NA to defeat Kirin on Phoenix", it seems you mean "a LS to be first *group* of NA to defeat Kirin on Phoenix". Later, you clarified your meaning to "i didnt say we were the first NA HNMLS to beat Kirin". There is no problem with a clarification, as some people already tried to point out.

If you wish to keep the thread title to be something about "TheWildSeven" (a group of people), I would recommend you to change the "first NA" clause into the "first international" for the sake of simplicity and clarity. Or you could try "Group of NA from TheWildSeven became the first NA to defeat Kirin on Phoenix". Both are equally valid and clear.

Some care needs to be taken when dealing with publicity. Because it is folklore to many Phoenix players that TheWildSeven did not get to the current stage without assistance from more experienced players. Hence, your good news is not equally received by all people.

Give credit to where it is due, I think it is the fair and standard thing to do. There is no shame in receiving help, as I pointed out earlier it is a common courtesy on Phoenix. We all received help from foreign players one way or the other.

P.S. Like the news of being first to defeat Kirin, bad temper get publicity too.
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The following is meant to clarify a few issues that have been brought up. There is no need to reply or blist. It is just a small part of a long history of Phoenix.

Assassin is a LS that attempts to hunt HNMs. They did manage to hunt some of the weaker ones. But when it came to tougher ones like KB, they do not have much luck. And the KB kill steal incident is true, because I am in the LS that was getting kill stolen from. Why the old Kirin alliance between AwakenSouls and TheWildSeven was broken, and a new alliance was formed between AwakenSouls and Assassin, is beyond me.

As for the blist as a way to resolve differences, as far as I know someone called Lanx has done something similar to members of a former LS that Cravy belonged to. I wish we are not going to see a second Lanx because one Lanx is already giving both NA and JP community enough headache. He continues to preach (to NA and JP alike) how poorly he has been treated in his former LS.

I fought Suzaku with Zedy last Friday. I accepted an invitation from a third party and I suspect Zedy was the same. I was not at the Kirin fight (I never claimed me nor Zedy to be there).

Yes, defeating Kirin (or any non-trivial HNMs) require teamworks. And I don't think anyone meant to mod down the teamworks element. However, experience matters too. These contribution are more likely come from foreign players than NAs--a simple consequence that some people start earlier than others. And it was these contribution I believe TheWildSeven as a LS should come to acknowledge when they celebrate their success of a milestone.
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Whoa nice ... Congratulations !!! : )
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#38 Sep 30 2004 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
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Congratulations to my buddy-wuddies in Wildseven!

Poke-taru's for everyone! (*^_^*)
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#39 Oct 03 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Default
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i guess some people need to study a bit more Q_Q;
"first NA" means first group of North American, how is this misleading? we certainly did have north americans in the group. However, I would be more inclined to say that our victory were largely due to Reonharuto's PLD/NIN play. And Kraus and Cainverl in helping with translations.
However, I think the idea of us bragging on a forum is stupid since people always have a some kind of bias toward themselves and Cravy posting it here is like inviting all stuck up phoenix players to argue with each other Q_Q;

PS: I am sure that only Reon, and Satine had fought against Kirin before. All others are 1st timers. (Zedy, Xak, KM, Maruco did not participate in this fight unfortunately T_T.)
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