idiggory the Fussy wrote:
How long-standing a relationship does not matter. Ignoring someone's lack of consent is rape; there is literally no situation in which assumed consent can trump a spoken refusal. Ever.
Even if their long standing sexual action involves her pretending she doesn't want to have *** until he gets frustrated enough to force her, and they both get off on it? I get that this isn't healthy, but no one's claiming these two are. To translate that into a stock "OMG! It's RAPE!!!!" bit is silly at best. It's two fictional characters in a fictional world, where dead things walk and dragons fly. Seriously? Get over it.
And, even if we're supposed to assume Cersei secretly wanted it...
Um... We are. Again, I get that this makes people uncomfortable, but it was abundantly clear from the scene (and others in the series involving them) that she did indeed want it (and not even that secretly). I got more of a "we shouldn't be doing this next to our dead son" vibe from the scene than that she just didn't want to have *** with him at all.
...the very fact that we have to be told that was the case is the very fabric of rape culture. We're told to accept a rape, despite literally every discernible cue telling us Cersei was not consenting, merely because of the argument that she secretly wanted it.
Again, it wasn't that secret.
This is literally the overwhelmingly effective defense actual rapists use against their actual victims in our culture.
Sure. And if this were a depiction of some couple on their first date, I'd be the first to agree with you. But a depiction of two people who've been involved in a harmful incestual sexual relationship for the better part of 20 years? Not remotely so. Heck. Even if this were the first example of Cersei rebuffing him only to have him pursue her anyway (implying this was a normal part of their relationship) you might have a point. But it wasn't. This part of their relationship was foreshadowed way back in season 1 (just rewatched the series so it's fresh in my mind). I've always gotten the impression that their relationship has involved a fair amount of sick, twisted, and yes, forceful elements to it. Nothing about their relationship ever struck me as "loving and tender". So no, I wasn't particularly shocked or surprised by how the scene played out on the screen. Again, that's kinda the way you'd have to do it, otherwise you lose the dynamic of their sick relationship.
It's supposed to highlight how "wrong" their relationship is. Anyone who interprets this in the context of real world relationships and rapist rationale is stretching IMO.
EDIT: Oh. And I think it's important to note that I'm reasonably certain that "she really wanted it", has never actually been successfully used as a defense against an allegation of rape. When people get away with rape, it's either because the woman does not press charges (and yes, that's a problem), or because there isn't sufficient actual physical evidence of rape (go ahead an insert "didn't leave any marks" jokes if you want) to prove the allegation. It may very well be used as an excuse by rapists for committing the crime in the first place, but it's pretty terrible as a defense. Edited, Apr 23rd 2014 6:11pm by gbaji