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#1 Sep 25 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I guess when it comes down to it, I am that guy. The comic book geek. So I guess it's my place to make the threads about stuff related to it.

Kind of a shame, too, since I didn't really enjoy this pilot. It was directionless and generic. I mean, it's kind of cool they brought Coulson back, not that that's any spoiler or anything. It's a comic book. It did kind of pique my interest when his explanation didn't mesh with the doctor's cryptic statement. The most annoying thing, for me at least, was how they just kind of meshed plot points from all the movies into one mcguffin. I will say I'm glad it was a mcguffin and not Luke Cage like it was rumored to be. Outside the spoilered name, the characters were pretty bland. The tough solo guy, the quirky scientists, the anti-establishment computer hacker, and the tough guy who doesn't want to be the tough guy (though in this case a tough girl)

It was a pilot, and it kind of set the stage I guess, but I found myself bored real quick. Maybe they can salvage something out of this. Like I said, though. I'm that guy, so I'll end up watching it until it's canceled at the end of season 1.
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#2 Sep 25 2013 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
I liked it. Don't really care about any of the characters besides Coulsen yet (Clone, Life Model Decoy, or other?), but its only the pilot. It kind of reminded me a bit of Chuck, with Marvel injokes & Whedon dialogue.
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#3 Sep 25 2013 at 9:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wasn't blown away by it, but I did enjoy it. I'll keep watching it. The dry humor is keeping me amused, too.
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I started watching it. It couldn't keep me through the commercials.




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I haven't watched it yet. I was looking forward to it, though; I really like Clark Gregg.

I'll also probably watch until it's cancelled. Smiley: lol

I have faith in Whedon, so we'll see where it goes.
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#6 Sep 26 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem I have is it's on ABC. They cancel EVERYTHING if it doesn't have Grey's Anatomy numbers.
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At least it's numbers with ABC. Fox cancels anything that isn't Seth Macfarlane or Simpsons.
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#8 Sep 30 2013 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I wasn't blown away by it, but I did enjoy it. I'll keep watching it. The dry humor is keeping me amused, too.


Yeah. The dry humor is great. The Caulson character is great (of course, since he's been playing it for years now). Still waiting for the other characters to gel, but it wasn't bad for a first episode IMO. Formulaic, but that's somewhat to be expected.

Speaking of dry humor, I'm just waiting for the reveal of what really happened to Caulson. You know they'll do it (cause it's already foreshadowed). You know there will be some big dramatic build for it. And I can totally see Caulson saying something like "Yeah. I've known that all along. What? You thought I wouldn't notice I was a LMD?".

I think if they give Joss a reasonably free hand in the story, it'll work out pretty well and be a good series. Whether that translates into long term surviving series is a whole different story though.
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#9 Oct 03 2013 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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I think I just developed a permanent eye twitch.

...Coulson. Phil Coulson. Son of Coul.
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#10 Oct 05 2013 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Finally watched the first episode.

I have no particular complaints about it. It was generally generic, but it has the bonus of being relatively unique in the genre. I DO like the "average person in a super's world" concept a lot. More than I thought I would, actually. And it wasn't until I watched it that I realized how badly I wanted something in this genre ever since I stopped watching Heroes in season 2.

Characters aren't super interesting right now, no. But I'm hopeful. I have a feeling Wade is going to meld into the background a lot more than the airtime he got in the Pilot, and the show's going to focus a lot more on the super nerds. Wade will be the token "I don't get it, can you please explain?" mechanic so that they can feed their pseudo science explanations to the audience.

Also, needs more puns. Get on it, Whedon.

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Any episode that ends with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about stuff gets an instant A+ in my book.Smiley: lol

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Any episode that ends with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about stuff gets an instant A+ in my book.Smiley: lol

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#12 Oct 05 2013 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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But seriously, if they ended every episode with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about what they did in that episode, I'd tune in every week, and then rewatch every episode.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But seriously, if they ended every episode with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about what they did in that episode, I'd tune in every week, and then rewatch every episode.
They should have him voice over the recap before the new episode starts.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But seriously, if they ended every episode with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about what they did in that episode, I'd tune in every week, and then rewatch every episode.
They should have him voice over the recap before the new episode starts.


THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.

Don't even script it. Just have Samuel L. Jackson watch the episode, and then record him **** about all the things they did wrong.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But seriously, if they ended every episode with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about what they did in that episode, I'd tune in every week, and then rewatch every episode.
They should have him voice over the recap before the new episode starts.


THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.

Don't even script it. Just have Samuel L. Jackson watch the episode, and then record him **** about all the things they did wrong.

This right here. Epic.
#16 Oct 06 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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Do fan theory at the moment is guessing that Coulson is actually Vision (basically, a synthetic humanoid android thing and ally of the Avengers in the comics.)

It's VERY MUCH theory at this point, since it's literally just based on a few loose premises with a big inductive leap. But, hey, why not talk about it?

Basic theory:

1. Coulson can never know how he was revived after being killed by Loki.
2. Avengers 2 is going to include Hank Pym, the Avenger who created Ultron (the primary antagonist for the film), who created Vision (no confirmation of, or significant rumors suggesting, he'll be in the film).
3. Vision is a perfectly humanoid android made of synthetic organs.
Big inductive leap: Coulson is Vision.

I'm neither for nor against it. I'd prefer it to actually be Coulson, because I really liked his character. Would be a lot more interesting to me if it was the same person, but he's back because of some dark and terrible reason. And I'd really like them to use Coulson to flesh out more of Natasha and Clint's stories. Clint in particular, because we've yet to get much of anything on Hawkeye from the films (and, dammit, I want crazy, sword-wielding circus freaks and estranged siblings!)

But I think the Vision plot line would be reasonably interesting, and they could do a lot with it.

Still, though, I think Coulson is more interesting as "just a man." The Avengers need the non-supers to balance them out.

TL;DR: I'm fine with it if they do it, but I think there are more interesting paths they can take with less effort.
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#17 Oct 06 2013 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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2. Avengers 2 is going to include Hank Pym, the Avenger who created Ultron (the primary antagonist for the film), who created Vision (no confirmation of, or significant rumors suggesting, he'll be in the film).


Not true. Edgar Wright's Ant Man is part of Marvel's Phase 3 slate of flicks, happening after Avengers 2. Iron Man will create Ultron (Or already has - Jarvis).
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I'm neither for nor against it. I'd prefer it to actually be Coulson, because I really liked his character. Would be a lot more interesting to me if it was the same person, but he's back because of some dark and terrible reason. And I'd really like them to use Coulson to flesh out more of Natasha and Clint's stories. Clint in particular, because we've yet to get much of anything on Hawkeye from the films (and, dammit, I want crazy, sword-wielding circus freaks and estranged siblings!)


I haven't heard anything about Hawkeye popping up before Avengers 2, but Black Widow will be a big part of Cap 2.

Coulson did pull a pretty epic limbo move to dodge that van door in the first episode, so something funky is going on.
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#18 Oct 06 2013 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Huh, I hadn't heard that they were giving Ultron a new origin. That's kind of odd, since they still chose Pym to be Ant-Man.

If they're doing that, there's not much reason to create Vision, since he was slated as a way to destroy Pym.

If they do a Jarvis -> Ultron thing (which I really hope they don't, because I adore Jarvis as-is), it would be too late in the timeline for him to create Vision!Coulson, so then the theory still doesn't hold.

Though I don't mind Tony as the creator in general.

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I haven't heard anything about Hawkeye popping up before Avengers 2, but Black Widow will be a big part of Cap 2.

Coulson did pull a pretty epic limbo move to dodge that van door in the first episode, so something funky is going on.


Neither have I, and I'm very unhappy about that. Seriously. Circus Performer turned criminal turned government assassin turned superhero.

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE MORE OF THAT?

I would kill for a "Budapest" movie for Natasha and Clint...

And I'm REALLY nervous they're going to try and put a romance plot between Steve and Natasha in there, which I do not want at all.

Side note: I really need to get around to watching Iron Man 3. I think I'm going to do that now when it finishes downloading.

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Any episode that ends with Samuel L. Jackson yelling about stuff gets an instant A+ in my book.Smiley: lol


The whole fish tank thing was perfect. Expected, but still perfect.

I don't think they'll go the Vision route. It's too much IMO. Vision is a pretty powerful superhero, and it wouldn't work with the whole "regular guys in a super world" thing (well, mostly regular). Having him be an upgraded LMD would work just fine though. I just think if he starts having actual super powers (like being able to fly, go intangible and shoot beams from his forehead), it wont be Caulson anymore. Which would be a shame, since that character is great.
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And I'm REALLY nervous they're going to try and put a romance plot between Steve and Natasha in there, which I do not want at all.


Sharon Carter's in it too, so prepare for some love triangle-ing. And really, Black Widow has banged just about every dude in the Marvel U at some point anyway (Hawkeye, Iron-Man, Daredevil, Bucky-Captain America, & Hercules just off the top of my head. She's smutted with oodles more),. She's a great lay, but a little too...extreme to be girlfriend material. At least she can get Steve better acclimated with how people bone nowadays.



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#21 Oct 07 2013 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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Black Widow doesn't hold a candle on She-Hulk.

I'd rage if Ultron isn't a Pym creation. They've already stolen one of his major accomplishments in not including him in the first Avengers movie. Next thing you know it'll be Hawkeye who smacks Jan.

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I'd rage if Ultron isn't a Pym creation. They've already stolen one of his major accomplishments in not including him in the first Avengers movie. Next thing you know it'll be Hawkeye who smacks Jan.


Rage away, because it turns out that's pretty much confirmed. They're giving Ultron a completely new Origin to fit the new universe.

Though it's only just recently been confirmed that Pym will even BE Ant-Man, so.

It's POSSIBLE he could be related to Pym somehow, but I doubt it. Because I think they confirmed that Pym wouldn't be in Avengers 2, and that probably wouldn't work.

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Side note, they promised us a Peggy/Steve reunion in this film and I'm going to be **** if we don't get it.

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Ultron will (supposedly) be created by the US Military as the answer to the "Avengers Problem," he'll then go nuts and the avengers will have to help. I'm totally unsure about Elizabeth Olson being cast as Scarlett Witch, but I guess I'll have to trust Joss.

Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D is definitely on the fence with me at the moment, Clark Greggs delivery, especially in the second episode, was questionable (came across as more awkward than funny to me). I'll stick with it though, it is Joss after all. I just hope we find out Coulson's back-story in the DVD extra's of the season one boxset after ABC cancel it.

If I'm totally honest, I'm more in DC's camp if it's not Daredevil or The Punisher anyway. Smiley: cool
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DC as a company is currently on my **** and the only franchises of their's I am at all invested in are the Batman and Watchmen ones.

As for the show, I'm really determined not to judge it. It's extremely rare for me to get into a show before episode 4 or 5, at least. Which is probably what contributes to the fact that I rarely watch anything that hasn't been out for a while with generally favorable reviews.

I do hope it survives, though. Because the movies are probably going to start having an issue with building the relationships they'll need to make the Avengers plot lines really shine if they don't have something assisting that. Particularly if they're going to go the Civil War route.
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Particularly if they're going to go the Civil War route.


Is that rumored? It can't be with the big names I guess, especially with Spidey and F4 licensed to Sony.

I wish HBO would commission a Punisher Max series (especially one based on the Garth Ennis run), that would (could) be amazing.

DC are terrible for films, but I kind of suspect that is more the casuality of Warner Bros having a gazillion execs arguing over how a movie should be made, some of the stories on how the strangled and changed the script on Green Lantern production make me a sad panda. Batman was awesome, as was MoS. I couldn't really get into Arrow, and Smallville was laughable to me (guess 'cause I'm older than the CW target audience). I hear they want to develop a Flash TV show now too.

All I really want if for WB to make a Y: The Last Man Film series and a good Transmetropolitan TV show. That would make me very happy.
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Particularly if they're going to go the Civil War route.


Is that rumored? It can't be with the big names I guess, especially with Spidey and F4 licensed to Sony.


It's the rumored endgame for P3, and with the cash cow this has turned out to be you can be sure they'll do a revamped set of movies after that dealing with the post-Civil War world. And they can do it without those franchises, realistically, as long as they have Stark and Rogers.

Plus, you can definitely see them laying the foundation for it. Supers attacking the president, government relying more and more on Iron Patriot, looming threats from all sides, strong theme of control vs. liberty with Hulk, Iron Man, and Thor.

It won't necessarily be based on the registration act, specifically, since this world isn't big on secret identities as of yet. But I can definitely see some kind of legislation seriously expanding government rights for dealing with supers that might be a trigger. I mean, Pepper is now an Extremis-fueled Super, and you have to wonder how Tony would respond to extra-governmental rights about her. Throw in his relationship with Bruce and his general distrust of SHIELD, you can definitely see him fighting to protect them.

Steve, so far, has been somewhat more heavily on the "control" side of things. And half the Avengers are currently government agents (US for Steve, SHIELD for Barton/Romanoff). And both of them are obviously on the side of containing the Super threat, as of right now. Thor's just generally along for the ride, but I can see him fighting for the underdog in this instance, since I doubt he'd be looking at the larger governmental structure than considering the basic need of individuals (in the same vein of him trying to calm the Hulk down instead of fight him).

I mean, when you think about it, they could pretty easily start the war right now in the universe, and it wouldn't be a stretch. It would be stronger with more foundation, though.

I think we'll need to see where they go with Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Ant-Man (and, hopefully, the Wasp). That could be really telling if that is a theme they're committed to further exploring.


On the meta side of things, I'd be legitimately surprised if they weren't doing the Civil War. At this point, it's probably the most defining event in the multiverse, no? At least outside of the mutant-specific stuff. I mean, entire AU universes exist just to explore just how different things would need to be to avoid it.
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I suppose the timing could work thinking about it, and we know Scarlett Witch is in Age of Ultron, which will be released around the same time as S3 of Agent of Shield will be coming out. If the rumours of Ultron being an American Military product to replace the Avengers are true, then there is an element of metahuman paranoia there, so wouldn't it be kinda cool if Avengers 2 finished with M Day which would then lead into the Civil War storyline?
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While they certainly could do a Civil War in the near future, such an event would immensely benefit from them having the legal rights for Spider-Man, the FF and the X-Men. Right now the participants would be to few to really call it a war. Smiley: lol And Spider-Man (or Daredevil for that matter) could help with the secret identity conflict.
Is this even a realistic scenario at this point? I mean Marvel Studios buying the movie rights for those other characters.

And I would really love Onslaught or the Age of Apocalypse on the big screen but I don't think that could happen. Smiley: frown
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Ultron being a military creation makes a lot of sense in the current universe. Right now, the most powerful military in the world has to rely on an extra-governmental force to handle the most-significant threats to their safety.

The Iron Man movies show off just how badly they wanted the IM armor, how much significance they put on it, and how insufficient it was. So, what, are we supposed to believe they wouldn't do everything in their power to get themselves their own House Party protocol, with AI-controlled armor to replace their drones? Not a chance. They'll want a Jarvis, and they'll want their Jarvis to be able to control the robotic body.

Then we add in the Hulk movie (and CA), and we know how badly the military wants super soldiers.

So, realistically, the only possible thing from preventing them from creating Ultron is the question of whether or not they have that capacity. But creating a mad AI? Not surprising.

Jarvis was created to be Tony's other half, essentially. I remember them talking about the keyboard Tony uses to interface with his computer systems; how the language he and Jarvis use to communicate is unique to them. And there are a lot of moments in the movies that show off Jarvis' values and morality, because Tony clearly wanted him to be a whole being. A military creation probably isn't going to be created with that kind of eloquence or poetry, and its sentience probably isn't going to be created with the mission of making it a thinking, feeling person. It's going to be engineered specifically for combat (when Jarvis was something added on to Jarvis' systems).

I'll be interested to see what they do with Jarvis in that movie. I really wish he got more "screen time," for lack of a better word. I think he's this incredibly fascinating character (like EDI in Mass Effect), and we don't get enough of him.

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While they certainly could do a Civil War in the near future, such an event would immensely benefit from them having the legal rights for Spider-Man, the FF and the X-Men. Right now the participants would be to few to really call it a war. Smiley: lol And Spider-Man (or Daredevil for that matter) could help with the secret identity conflict.
Is this even a realistic scenario at this point? I mean Marvel Studios buying the movie rights for those other characters.


I don't doubt it would have essentially nothing to do with identities, in this universe. But a similar conflict could easily be engineered. Imagine if the government passed a law describing supers as being military-grade weaponry, and gave the government discretion to overrode their personhood with regards to the law? You know, essentially exactly how the military has been treating Banner this entire time?

Yeah, that could definitely cause a big conflict. Don't need an army of supers, just need a group of heroes large enough to split into two and still let them royally F- things up.

It wouldn't be a Civil War on par with the comic version, of course. No chance. But the movie universe just won't have nearly that level of characters, ever, for unsurprising reasons. Think about how underwhelming film 3 of X-Men was. So many characters, so few reasons to care about any of them...

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Last night the head SHIELD lady (the black one) said to the head SHIELD guy (the one that looks like Maxwell Smart) something about him having died before.

What's that all about?
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Clark Gregg's character, Phil Coulson?

Did you see the Avengers?
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Honestly? While I see them using plot elements from past/existing storylines, I think it's a bit of fancy to expect that they'll "do <storyline>" in the films. They wont do Civil War, or House of M, or whatever. There are just too many costs involved (not just character rights, but story rights as well). It makes far more sense to write their own stories instead. That way you introduce something "new" and you don't have masses of fanboys telling them that they did <storyline> wrong.

Given the ending of Avengers, the next plot line will involve Thanos. I think that'll keep them busy for several years of film making. While they may certainly inject elements of the whole "control vs liberty" angle with regard to supers along the way, I just don't see them committing to an entire universe (or even sub universe) story arc around just that. You have to remember that what works in a monthly comic series wont necessarily work in a series of connected films. Fans want battles against super powered opponents and each film has to have a relatively self contained plot. This does not preclude individual films containing aspects of the Civil War theme, but I don't see them moving that far away from the "real world" with their entire franchise. Having some kind of open war would block more storyline possibilities than it would open up. Again, what may be neato to do in a comic book format, wont work in films.

They wont do anything that requires large scale global changes to the universe. As long as they stick to that baseline, they can do independent films within the Marvel umbrella (FF, Xmen, Spiderman, Avengers, etc) and allow a reasonable assumption that this is all happening in the same world. Once you do a major global change in one film (like Civil War), you're stuck reflecting that reality in every other film in the same universe (or just saying that it's a different universe which isn't as fun for the viewers). I don't see them writing themselves into a corner like that. I mean, I try not to underestimate the ability of writers to do just that, but it would be foolish for them to do so. The 1% of their audience who would go "Cool! They're doing Civil War" would be overshadowed by the other 99% who would not like the fact that their heroes aren't in "their world" anymore, and then wonder why the changes in one film are ignored in another, etc. It's just a bad idea IMO. Stick to a baseline that fits in a single world. Refrain from global changes. That's how they should proceed.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Clark Gregg's character, Phil Coulson?

Did you see the Avengers?

Yeah, that's the guy. k, I did see the Avengers. That was the guy Loki killed.

I don't remember him reminding me so much of Maxwell Smart in The Avengers.
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Clark Gregg's character, Phil Coulson?

Did you see the Avengers?

Yeah, that's the guy. k, I did see the Avengers. That was the guy Loki killed.

I don't remember him reminding me so much of Maxwell Smart in The Avengers.


Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

He's been in all the movies except Hulk, Iron Man 3, and Captain America.
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Given the ending of Avengers, the next plot line will involve Thanos.


Thanos, at this point, seems like a pretty obvious setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, since Avengers 2's villain is confirmed as Ultron. Would be weird to introduce Thanos now and wait until P3 for him to be relevant.
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#36 Oct 09 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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Given the ending of Avengers, the next plot line will involve Thanos.


Thanos, at this point, seems like a pretty obvious setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, since Avengers 2's villain is confirmed as Ultron. Would be weird to introduce Thanos now and wait until P3 for him to be relevant.


Unless they set it up as Thanos being the creator of Ultron instead of Henry Pym, since Ant Man won't be in this movie.
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Clark Gregg's character, Phil Coulson?

Did you see the Avengers?

Yeah, that's the guy. k, I did see the Avengers. That was the guy Loki killed.

I don't remember him reminding me so much of Maxwell Smart in The Avengers.


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He's been in all the movies except Hulk, Iron Man 3, and Captain America.

What can I say, he's rather nondescript.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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Given the ending of Avengers, the next plot line will involve Thanos.


Thanos, at this point, seems like a pretty obvious setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, since Avengers 2's villain is confirmed as Ultron. Would be weird to introduce Thanos now and wait until P3 for him to be relevant.


Unless they set it up as Thanos being the creator of Ultron instead of Henry Pym, since Ant Man won't be in this movie.


/shrug

Or any of a number of different ways they could use him. What would be odd would be the reveal at the end of Avengers and then him having nothing at all to do with A2. People would be like "What was with that guy they foreshadowed in the last film?". Remember that in the film format, much of your audience isn't going to be watching every film or following a story arc that crosses several films. So you can have common elements that cross over, but trying to tell part of a story in one, then another part in another, etc isn't going to work well. Each has to be its own self contained story. Cross over elements/references really have to be restricted to just bonus stuff that those who watched the other film(s) will get, but wont cause a plot gap for those who didn't.
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Most people don't stay to the end of the credits unless they know there's going to be that scene, so that's not really an issue.

And up until now, ALL of those little snippets have been used to hype other movies, in general. Hulk hyped Iron Man. Iron Man hyped Avengers. Iron Man 2 hyped Thor. Captain America established the base premise for Avengers. Avengers, seemingly, hypes GotG (which is a good move, because it's easily the outlier here).
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#40 Oct 09 2013 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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Unless they set it up as Thanos being the creator of Ultron instead of Henry Pym, since Ant Man won't be in this movie.
Ultron not being created by Pym just makes me think this is just a random robot with the same name, so I can't really say I care too much who creates him. Thanos, Stark, Demolition Man. It's all the same.
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#41 Oct 09 2013 at 11:43 PM Rating: Good
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Thanos, at this point, seems like a pretty obvious setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, since Avengers 2's villain is confirmed as Ultron. Would be weird to introduce Thanos now and wait until P3 for him to be relevant.


While Thanos will certainly play a part in GoTG, he's not the big bad. Ultron is confirmed as the big bad in A2. The Avenger's will not fight Thanos until Avenger's 3.
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Thanos, at this point, seems like a pretty obvious setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, since Avengers 2's villain is confirmed as Ultron. Would be weird to introduce Thanos now and wait until P3 for him to be relevant.


While Thanos will certainly play a part in GoTG, he's not the big bad. Ultron is confirmed as the big bad in A2. The Avenger's will not fight Thanos until Avenger's 3.


With this style of universe, that just sounds like a TERRIBLE decision to me. They don't have the benefit of playing with the timelines like the comics do, with the sheer potential for additional side stories and such.

The whole "we sort of delayed the destruction of the world until the future" theme just doesn't work as well in a movie format, imo.
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Well, the whole massive universe aspect of comics was going to be difficult to portray in movies no matter what they did.
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I know, but there are definitely ways to get around it. So far, they've been really smart. It's a really tight, concise plot flow with a well-used cast of characters, in general. Incredible Hulk is their biggest weakness (taking place over the course of Iron Man 1, Iron Man 2, and Thor).

Introducing Thanos as a villain and not using him as a real asset until an entirely new phase just doesn't seem like their style.

I just think that people would be bored of him if he only makes an appearance in GOTG next phase. And if he makes appearances in more, they might be sick of him.
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#45 Oct 10 2013 at 7:29 PM Rating: Excellent
I think Thanos is ultimately going to be revealed to be behind the things happening in Thor 2, GoTg, & maybe even Avenger's 2. The brilliance of Marvel's phase 1 is that everything naturally lead to Avengers, but each story was self contained (with the exception of Iron Man 2, which was closer to a prequel to Avengers). After the end of Iron Man 3, it seems natural that Ultron (perhaps created by SHIELD -using Stark tech. - but perverted by Thanos) will be created to fill the void left behind after Stark "gave up" the suits.

After the main plot of Thor 2 (which, again, may have something to do with Thanos) wraps, I'm fairly confident Thanos is gonna be paying Loki a visit. He all but said he would in Avengers.
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Unless he catches up to him in Alfheim, I can't imagine Thanos barging into Asgard right now.

If he was going to do that, he'd probably have just as easy a time making a grab at the Tesseract or the Infinity Gauntlet (which you can see in the treasure room in Thor).

And I doubt Tony will be out of commission long enough for his absence to be felt by SHIELD. I mean, right now, he's not a reliable asset for them to begin with. And I doubt he's not going to get to work on a new suit right after that cure (or whatever) for Extremis is done.

Now, it's possible that SHIELD wants an Iron Man suit, in general. But I just don't see Fury taking the risk of creating an AI-controlled suit. Creating a suit? Sure. But not giving an AI power over it. He'd reserve that solely for his most-trusted agents.
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But I just don't see Fury taking the risk of creating an AI-controlled suit.
I don't know. The guy has an LMD of an LMD of an LMD of himself. Of course, that's Big Boss Solid Nick Fury and not **** Nick Fury. And to note, LMDs are known to gain sentience. All. The. Time.
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So finally watched this week's episode. The series is starting to grow on me.

Also, re: Coulson's survival, the theory at the top of my list is that he's a clone with some kind of brain mapping.

It was the whole "this should be muscle memory" thing with the gun. That says to me that his current body isn't his original. But it also makes me think he's not an android, because they would have programmed those behaviors in (or you'd think they would).

So I'm thinking they copied the brain's configuration to the clone, but all the stuff that has to interface heavily with the peripheral nervous system isn't managing, because the routes in the clone body aren't identical to the originally forged ones. Which is **** pseudo-science that's acceptable enough for a general populace. Smiley: lol

Of course, it makes the Vision route fully possible as well.
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That was a lot of disbelief in the possibility of psychic powers from people in a universe where the world is held hostage by those very powers on a regular basis. And by SHIELD agents, no less.
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That was a lot of disbelief in the possibility of psychic powers from people in a universe where the world is held hostage by those very powers on a regular basis. And by SHIELD agents, no less.


Isn't everything in the Avengers movie universe so far explained by science though? Mystical powers not really being their thing (which is what the agents basically said).
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Thor and the other Asgardians have powers that would be rather difficult to explain with science.
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