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#1 Jul 07 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Great entertainment. I took my 12 year old nephew to see it and had to explain a few things about it, mostly about the old tv series. He was quite interested in the theme song that was played towards the end, as it was his understanding that music was played for all horse type chase scenes.

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Some food for thought.

From what I've read, TLR is scheduled to be one of the biggest flops in recent years. 215 million to make, 45 million made over the long holiday weekend. I'm glad it was entertaining, but I don't have any interest in seeing Pirates of the Caribbean 4.5: Jack Sparrow Goes West Smiley: lol
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#3 Jul 08 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Some food for thought.

From what I've read, TLR is scheduled to be one of the biggest flops in recent years. 215 million to make, 45 million made over the long holiday weekend. I'm glad it was entertaining, but I don't have any interest in seeing Pirates of the Caribbean 4.5: Jack Sparrow Goes West Smiley: lol


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#4 Jul 08 2013 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Saw it this weekend, and I enjoyed it. Nothing super special, but definitely an entertaining diversion. Plus it was nice to go hang out in an air conditioned theater on a hot Sunday.
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#5 Jul 08 2013 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Aside from the people who invested in a movie, who really gives a flying *&@# how much it cost or how much it made. It's not my money that they used. It is my money to decide how I want to be entertained of course, and for me it was good value.

It's the price of popcorn that always ticks me off.

And from my point of view, Mr. Depp can do no wrong.
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Aside from the people who invested in a movie, who really gives a flying *&@# how much it cost or how much it made.
People who want the studios to take chances with unique story ideas instead of investing in safe formulaic and ultimately boring movies?

To really elaborate: Superman's less than stellar performance more or less guarantees we won't see a Flash movie, Justice League, or even another shot at Green Lantern. But we'll more than likely see another Batman reboot in the near future.

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People who want the studios to take chances with unique story ideas instead of investing in safe formulaic and ultimately boring movies?

I get that point, but
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To really elaborate: Superman's less than stellar performance more or less guarantees we won't see a Flash movie, Justice League, or even another shot at Green Lantern. But we'll more than likely see another Batman reboot in the near future.

Are you implying that more superhero movies aren't formulaic and boring?
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Are you implying that more superhero movies aren't formulaic and boring?
No, I was giving examples of risks a studio won't take due to underperforming products.
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#9 Jul 09 2013 at 6:26 AM Rating: Good
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I thought the 2013 Superman made at least a $100 million profit?
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#10 Jul 09 2013 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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I was interested in the is movie. I mean J. Depp is almost always worth shelling out a couple bucks to watch. But man, it seemed the critics were united in their complete and total disdain for this movie.

I'll wait for it to come to PPV.
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I thought the 2013 Superman made at least a $100 million profit?
Opening weekend was $110m, but it was a $250m movie to make. The trend is the closer to 1:1 a movie is on opening weekend, the more confident a studio is with their product.
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And from my point of view, Mr. Depp can do no wrong.


Smiley: dubious

He does what he does well enough, sure. But he plays nearly the same character in every damn movie.

I enjoyed his performance in Finding Neverland, so I have faith that he can do more. But he's been in his fair share of sh*tty movies, and the character is long past stale at this point. I'd love to see him branch out; I have little interest in him until he does.
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He does what he does well enough, sure. But he plays nearly the same character in every damn movie.

Woah Woah Woah Woah. Have you seen him in Dead Man? Because you can't judge him as an actor until you've seen Dead Man. And for something completely different from Dead Man, what about Edward Scissorhands, and Sleepy Hollow? Or do you think they are the same schtick as each other? And what about the mystery/thriller Secret Window, where he plays a quiet author? It's not that great a movie, but I blame the script and direction rather than Depp's acting. I haven't seen the award-winning Donnie Brasco, but it gets high ratings, and he's playing a cop drawn to the mafia, opposite Al Pacino.

And then there is the stand-out Art-House movie What's Eating Gilbert Grape? where Depp is usually lauded for his portrayal as Gilbert who has the burden of forever looking after his younger, mentally hand-capped brother, played by a very young Leonardo Di Caprio in an equally lauded performance.

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I liked Depp well enough in movies like Donnie Brasco or Blow. But from my (limited) perspective iddigory has a point insofar that Depp played almost always the same character since Pirates of the Carribean I. His roles in all the Pirate movies, Alice, Lone Ranger and to a lesser extend Sweeney Todd were not different to me.
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What Logos said. It's been WAY too long since Depp has done something different, and that's worrisome. Even Sweeney Todd was just, essentially, a darker version of the same character.

He was great in Edward Scissorhands and Finding Neverland. I don't really remember Once Upon a Time in Mexico, so I can't comment there. Sleepy Hollow was very, very similar to his more recent roles (big surprise, Burton and all).

But POC came out in 2003, and he's been pretty much playing nothing but the same character since then. After a decade, I think it's fair to stop using the earliest works as a guidepost. Either he lost whatever he had that let him meld into the earlier roles, or he's just not interested in it anymore. It's not really that unheard of for actors to lose the ability to really move between roles, with life being what it is. And if all you're going to do for a decade is play Captain-Jack-Sparrow-In-Different-Outfits, then that's how I'm going to think of you.

I'd love to see him do some serious work. Until it happens, that judgement is going to stand. And at this point, I seriously worry he might not be able to pull anything else off. Everything else he's been in, where he isn't playing a Sparrow-esque character, has flopped. And he's usually a leading role. So either he has terrible taste, and keeps choosing films destined for failure, or he's lost the ability to help bring serious films to life.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
What Logos said. It's been WAY too long since Depp has done something different, and that's worrisome. Even Sweeney Todd was just, essentially, a darker version of the same character.

He was great in Edward Scissorhands and Finding Neverland. I don't really remember Once Upon a Time in Mexico, so I can't comment there. Sleepy Hollow was very, very similar to his more recent roles (big surprise, Burton and all).

But POC came out in 2003, and he's been pretty much playing nothing but the same character since then. After a decade, I think it's fair to stop using the earliest works as a guidepost. Either he lost whatever he had that let him meld into the earlier roles, or he's just not interested in it anymore. It's not really that unheard of for actors to lose the ability to really move between roles, with life being what it is. And if all you're going to do for a decade is play Captain-Jack-Sparrow-In-Different-Outfits, then that's how I'm going to think of you.

I'd love to see him do some serious work. Until it happens, that judgement is going to stand. And at this point, I seriously worry he might not be able to pull anything else off. Everything else he's been in, where he isn't playing a Sparrow-esque character, has flopped. And he's usually a leading role. So either he has terrible taste, and keeps choosing films destined for failure, or he's lost the ability to help bring serious films to life.
Sweeney Todd was nothing like Captain Jack. In fact, i think Captain Jack is a bit of an outlier role for J. Depp. He's not really the swashbuckler. I'd clump Mad Hatter with Barnabas Collins but they're both Burton movies. Id' say the one thing that his recent roles have all had in common is that they are all in movies that lack any depth what-so-ever.

I thought Rango could have been a good movie, and Rango a good role... if it hadn't been acted out by computer generated desert critters. It was very much a human tale after-all.

I think my favorite Depp movie is What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Leo really showed off his acting skills as well.
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Nothing? Smiley: dubious

From the acting perspective, Todd was essentially a Sparrow with added resolve and rage, minus the monetary greed.

I'm not going to pretend that Depp didn't play Todd well - I said from the start that he's good at what he does. But I think it's a BIG stretch to say they're nothing alike. Sure, from a writing perspective they're very different characters.

That doesn't mean the acting of them is remarkably different. Depp could have gone a very different way with Todd. His tactic was commercially intelligent, and it worked, but it was still just more of the same.
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.....or "Chocolate". Not one I would have picked up normally, but I was stuck on a plane. And it was good.

But my favourite performance of his is "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas"

Yes yes, all old stuff and well before all the Arrrr me hearties stuff. He has it in him and can do it again.

But I digress...


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.....or "Chocolate". Not one I would have picked up normally, but I was stuck on a plane. And it was good.


You mean "Chocolat". Chocolate was the one with the autistic kung-fu chick.
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What Logos said. It's been WAY too long since Depp has done something different, and that's worrisome. Even Sweeney Todd was just, essentially, a darker version of the same character.


Actually "The Rum Diary" is from 2011, and there is no Cap'n Jack present.
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Don't forget "The Tourist"!
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But my favourite performance of his is "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas"
Good movie, but I'd say his role as Duke was a precursor for his role as Sparrow.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
What Logos said. It's been WAY too long since Depp has done something different, and that's worrisome. Even Sweeney Todd was just, essentially, a darker version of the same character.


Actually "The Rum Diary" is from 2011, and there is no Cap'n Jack present.


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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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What Logos said. It's been WAY too long since Depp has done something different, and that's worrisome. Even Sweeney Todd was just, essentially, a darker version of the same character.


Actually "The Rum Diary" is from 2011, and there is no Cap'n Jack present.


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To be fair though, Depp specifically does off beat and/or artistic films that he likes but knows wont likely make much money, and does his stock character for the big blockbusters. So if you want to see Depp playing different characters, you have to delve into the realm of "box office flop" territory. I kinda suspect that he does the generic/Sparrow character more or less the same each time as some kind of deliberate "f-you" to the studios (and in a way to the mass audience, as he's well known to disdain such films, but a man's gotta eat). Ironically, that's the character they want from him, so that's what he gives them.
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To be fair though, Depp specifically does off beat and/or artistic films that he likes but knows wont likely make much money, and does his stock character for the big blockbusters. So if you want to see Depp playing different characters, you have to delve into the realm of "box office flop" territory.

I agree with gbaji, and would like to expand. Off-beat and artistic films aren't just box-office flops. They haven't tanked because they are Hollywood films that mass audiences haven't liked. Depp does a lot of what I'd call Art-House or Independent films. Films that sadly a mass audience doesn't feel like diving into, or that are not given a run at many cinemas.

For comparison, what do you think of Brad Pitt's career, and his performances in 12 Monkeys and Fight Club? Pitt has a LOT of Pretty Boy Romantic Love Interest roles under his belt. I mean in some films he literally stands around while the camera dwells lovingly on his eyelashes for scenes at a time. But I think that if he does nothing interesting for the rest of his career, he will always be the man that made Tyler Durdin come so vividly to life, and that role guarantees him a place in the pantheon of Acting Gods.
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I'm starting to think that I'm the only person here that has seen read Secret Window, Secret Garden.



Depp wasn't in Secret Garden, unless it's the foreign re-titling for Secret Window.
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The title of the Stephen King novella that the movie is based on is Secret Window, Secret Garden.
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